Mud movers have a tough life

[NoCarrier]

Now what kind of petaQ would fire three missiles at a virtually defenseless Su-25T? :huh:

He does that because he can. That's the long and short of it. Ripple those suckers and RTB at Mach 2 for another load of big sticks because, hey, why not? You can bet those Eagle drivers will get a whole lot more selective with their slammers if it would take them an hour just to get on station.

 

But then, I'm enough of a realist to know no pubbie slumming virtual fighter jock would ever play such a mission. For long, anyway.

Edited August 7, 2013 by NoCarrier

[GGTharos]

It only takes one stick to shoot you out of the sky.

[seikdel]

"feel proud going after striker with your missiles?".

 

Respond with, "Feel self-righteous for flying without CAP?"

[TaliG]

Maybe wrong thread to speak about what I have encountered..

I was on 51st server and I tried the huey, when I cleared the hight of the valley that the farp was in, I was immediately shot down by a r77. Was it a mad dog missile? or I was clearly an easy BVR target for the mig? If the second, then we have a bug here:music_whistling:

Then again I know... no .trk no food :doh:

Edited August 7, 2013 by TaliG

[GGTharos]

If you don't have friendly air cover, or at minimum even friendly AWACS support, you're pretty much easy pickings for any fighter out there. The only thing you can do is get yourself some reliable air cover.

 

The other day my wingman and I shot down a Ka-50 ... he was blowing up our ground forces :)

[kontiuka]

Then again I know... no .trk no food :doh:

heheh

[159th_Viper]

LGBs are funnier :lol:

 

Ain't that the truth :D

 

rISQpRVhe4Y

[159th_Falcon]

Some how Bill et John come to mind:punk:

for those that don't know them, open the spoiler

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Cheers Gentleman:beer:

Edited August 7, 2013 by 159th_Falcon

[Vampyre]

Shooting down an Eagle while you fly the frog, is an exceptional experience. I can tell you, when you manage to do something like that, then you are sooooooo satisfied from your sim life... that you just ctrl+eee and stay where you fall for the rest of the game, having cold beer...And ofcurse next day at work, you make sure that everybody knows what you have done last night :thumbup:

 

Needless to say... the Eagle that you shoot down.. if he is really an honoured man... he will be forced not to come after you like mad, bad just push the disconnect button :megalol::pilotfly:

 

This is so true... I managed to shoot an eagle down with the Toad 30mm once. I actually spotted him on my SHKIVAL IR screen while searching for targets at long range. I was in a well traveled corridor to the target area that most attackers used to get to the target areas so I assume he was looking for easy kills. I kept him on my screen until he fired his first AMRAAM maddog which I dodged by forcing it to run into the high ground between us. Knowing he was coming in low from my 11 o'clock it was easy to pick him up visually. I only had two R-60's so they were about useless to me (which didn't matter anyway because I accidently jettisoned them with the rest of my stores a few minutes later). He shot two sidewinders at me which I spoofed with Flares, the IR Jammer and maneuver. I assume he had no more missiles as he kept trying to make gun runs on me using high yo-yo's. After about five runs on me, he made a fatal mistake by overshooting me and ending up popping up in fromt of me which I took advantage of with a quick snap shot that lit his engines on fire. It was a great feeling to best an F-15C with the Toad.

I also bagged a Su-27 with an R-73 in the Toad... He lit me up with his radar and fired about three missiles BVR at me while I was taking out a Sa-11 site. After dodging those missiles by putting him on my 3 oclock I spotted the smoke trails high above me and then saw him fly over the top of me to convert to my six. I initiated a turn to the right while trying to maintain my speed. As he was coming down at me I saw him shoot two IR missiles at me before he disappeared out of my field of view so I punched off a ton of flares and continued pulling. He came in with far too much smash to keep with my turn. He overshot me and started climbing back up to re attack but because I maintained my airspeed I was able to pull up on his six. I just selected an R-73, put my nose on him, waited for tone, and fired one missile which impacted his aft fuselage and fireballed him. Then I got hit by a Sa-11...:doh:

Edited August 7, 2013 by Vampyre

[GGTharos]

And people whine about ground pounders being defenseless :)

[Boberro]

I remember I killed an F15 by Vikhr. Poor man got lost over my target area where I already had been killing his troops. Fortunately he didn't spot me due to the friendly Su27 getting his attention and in meantime I locked him on my poor, archaic TV and sent one Vikhr. After long seconds he was falling down :D

 

That was a fighter. I won't mention poooooooooooooooooooooooor GheyTens which are my favourite targets. Very easy and funny kills, especially when player is pissed off and tries to kill you flying 500 kmh where I above 700 with heavy ordnance, not saying 950 after dropping it :D

Edited August 7, 2013 by Boberro

[kontiuka]

I remember I killed an F15 by Vikhr. Poor man got lost over my target area where I already had been killing his troops. Fortunately he didn't spot me due to the friendly Su27 getting his attention and in meantime I locked him on my poor, archaic TV and sent one Vikhr. After long seconds he was falling down :D

 

That was a fighter. I won't mention poooooooooooooooooooooooor GheyTens which are my favourite targets. Very easy and funny kill.

Were you in a Su-25 or a Ka-50?

[Boberro]

25T, in Ka50 I killed A10 only, it often loses track....relocking takes ages and is complicated imho.

Edited August 7, 2013 by Boberro

[kontiuka]

25T, in Ka50 I killed A10 only, it often loses track....relocking takes ages and is complicated imho.

What's the trick to locking on to a plane or helicopter with the shkval? I can never seem to do it.

[TurboHog]

What's the trick to locking on to a plane or helicopter with the shkval? I can never seem to do it.

 

Hold down the lock button while moving the Shkval, then release slightly in front of him.

 

I have several A10C kills using Vikhr's from the Ka-50 and a couple of gun kills. Their common mistake is to approach me head on.

 

A/A TGT on, Head-on airborne target on, burst lengt to medium or long in order to fire 2 vikhrs. Then lock the A10 WITHOUT laser turned on (he might notice on the RWR). The when he is in range to fire, turn on the laser and double launch!

[kontiuka]

Hold down the lock button while moving the Shkval, then release slightly in front of him.

 

I have several A10C kills using Vikhr's from the Ka-50 and a couple of gun kills. Their common mistake is to approach me head on.

 

A/A TGT on, Head-on airborne target on, burst lengt to medium or long in order to fire 2 vikhrs. Then lock the A10 WITHOUT laser turned on (he might notice on the RWR). The when he is in range to fire, turn on the laser and double launch!

Will this work in the Su-25T?

[maturin]

Yeah, I can't for the life of me lock choppers under ideal conditions, no matter what I do.

[TurboHog]

Will this work in the Su-25T?

 

Not quite. The Su-25T's Skhval works in a different way. It seems to automaticly snap on target. Not realistic...

 

It could be easier because of that... Never tried.

[Boberro]

For me main problem was Shkval movement in Ka-50. I couldn't use mouse and was too lazy to manually set it up in config files. In Su-25T you can use mouse so you have fine control over image movement, thus easier locking :)

 

Ka-50's laser also doesn't give correct distance to the locked target. If it approaches quite fast (even A-10 is fast for Ka-50... :P) then gun firing can fail due to laser's lock distance wrong numbers, ie. it shows good and suddenly goes higher or slower than before - you have to relock again and again..... your laser is being used, used, and after while can be fried :D

[muamshai]

I like the guys on random servers that come in and Fire all their A2A missiles at one target...

 

they spend more time heading back to base and re-arming than they do in combat.

 

This.

 

If you don't have friendly air cover, or at minimum even friendly AWACS support, you're pretty much easy pickings for any fighter out there. The only thing you can do is get yourself some reliable air cover.

Learned in a hard way. Next time, I will encourage the fighter jogs in my side and promise them a few kills, and a glory in the history of internet.

 

Ain't that the truth

 

rISQpRVhe4Y

 

That was hilarious and mean at the sometime :megalol: Thanks for your hints by the way. However, things become a bit tough when manpads and IR launchers are waiting to shove a missile in your hot butt. AAA is aiming at you to open a few dozen holes in your skin, and a loaded enemy fighter jock is drooling for a kill (and points in scorecard)...Life is hard I assume

 

And people whine about ground pounders being defenseless

whining? hardly, just a mere observation from the experiences :book:

 

That says, thanks all for the motivation. Guess survival and self-preservation should be the first priority. That says, if situation is not in favor from both ground and from air then drop the arsenal and run to the mommy. :smartass:

[Frostie]

This is the problem. People don't want to treat it like war. I stopped going after ground attack aircraft because a lot of the time, they complain on being shot.

 

The last time I did, I had confused the Su-25 for a low flying MiG. By the time I had realized it, I didn't feel like turning around and just wasting the time and fuel I spent to get to him, so I fired a 120. The pilot then said something like:

 

"feel proud going after striker with your missiles?"

 

I don't get it. When I fly the A-10 I expect MiG's to kill me. I wish this mentality was more common. Then you'd have more fighters going after strikers and more reason for friendly fighters to protect strikers (after all, that's where the action would be).

Can't wait for the Combined arms players to start giving these whiners some of their own medicine.

"feel proud killing my whole platoon of T90's? Hero"

 

Fighters are there to control the air and stop ground forces from being destroyed, you fly in hostile airspace fighters will shoot you down, simple.

 

A mud movers RWR is invaluable they need to look at it more often and get out of dodge when fighter nails are closing. The EOS hunters are a problem though this is where you really need cover.

 

This.

 

 

Learned in a hard way. Next time, I will encourage the fighter jogs in my side and promise them a few kills, and a glory in the history of internet.

 

Encourage them to join you on TS, not enough of this goes on in servers. Its not down to the mission to organise flights, players need to take responsibility, the TS IP is there in the mission brief, a chat function allows players to relay all info to each other so they can hook up and get working together on real comms.

 

Then with communicated cover and support the whole DCS concept opens up and you will live a lot longer in the virtual sky.

[xentxo]

It's about 140kph if you're 10km or more away, half that inside 70kph, and 'nothing can hide you' if the fighter's anywhere near resembling co-altitude.

 

does the same hold true for AI-enemy pilots?

[badger66]

Fighters are there to control the air and stop ground forces from being destroyed, you fly in hostile airspace fighters will shoot you down, simple.

 

 

Seriously good post ............... :thumbup: ................. just wish the whingers in the helicopters listen to this .

[159th_Viper]

Seriously good post ............... :thumbup: ................. just wish the whingers in the helicopters listen to this .

 

Conversely you dudes that talk with your hands must be prepared to cover your strike craft, especially when there are easier pickings in the offing somewhere else.

[fjacobsen]

I guess in real life that the area at which attack aircraft are supposed to attack will have been prepared by fighters and SEAD.

 

Normally You would also go in as a package with fighter cover and SEAD.

 

The mission would also have been prepared with intel from AWACS and possibly JSTAR, so the route would be planned as far as possible around known SAM and AAA sites.

 

Surprices could always come into play, but thats when Your RWR will help You and You should get out of the treatzone until someone better equipeed has neutralised the treat.