I need to learn to fly...

[Mizzy]

I have just bought this product because it was a reasonable price, well my husband bought it for me but anyway, I have discovered that this aircraft and it's simulation is broken completely !! You can't take off without crashing all the time. I have not been bothered with my flight simulations for several years but I was always able to fly all the other simulations with no problem. This P51 simulation doesn't work, it skids all over the place and doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Is ED (whom I have loads of respect for) going to fix this aircraft I just bought !! I am working shifts at the moment and like a little relaxation with my flight simulators. Thank you in advance.

 

Mizzy

[9.JG27 DavidRed]

:)

welcome to a simulation!

if you master it, you will want the sim to remain "broken" and that the pony skids all over the place

[cichlidfan]

This is just an example of people for whom it appears not to be 'broken completely'.

 

 

I might add that if it has been a few years since you flew one of ED's sims, then your experience may not include a full blown Advanced Flight Model. The newer aircraft are a completely different ball game.

Edited September 30, 2013 by cichlidfan

[streakeagle]

Smooth increase of power with appropriate rudder and slight stick back pressure to lock the tailwheel will get you off the ground. Tail-draggers are very much prone to "ground looping", which is why most modern aircraft choose stable tricycle gear designs. But tail-draggers are very rewarding to master in both take-off and landing. I have never bothered to get very good. I can usually make it up and down, but may weave at bit while building up or bleeding off speed. I am equally bad at taxiing in a Cessna in real life: hard for me to apply even brake pressure on both wheels using toe brakes on the rudder pedals. But once the wheels are off the ground, I am in heaven in an airplane. The DCS P-51D is one of my all-time favorite flight sim planes. But I tend to kill the engine due to oil starvation while maneuvering vertically with the AI.

 

You can also program control response curves to make things less twitchy around the center points. This sacrifices some of the realism if your stick has the same range of movement as a real P-51 stick, but will flatten out the learning curve quite a bit.

 

As long as the difficulty is realistic, I am all for it. I hope you figure out what you are doing wrong and have as much fun as I am.

[Mizzy]

You mean I am just crap and it's not broken !! Hey love the Youtube link.. haven't heard 'Baba O'Reilly' for years, I love 'The Who' ;-) Btw how do you get the AI to fly in formation like that ? That was unbelievable !

 

Mizzy

 

P.S. I remember a 'Streakeagle' from my very old Janes USAF days when I used to post under the name of 'Jupiter'..long long time ago now.

Edited September 30, 2013 by Mizzy

[kontiuka]

Well, you know the old saying ... if it's broke, don't fix it.:smilewink:

[cichlidfan]

Btw how do you get the AI to fly in formation like that ? That was unbelievable !

 

Those were humans, at least I think they'll pass a Turing test. ;)

 

I am not saying you are crap. The Mustang is a handful and then some. Especially if you are not used to fully modeled ground interaction and handling. No offense intended, but Flaming Cliffs, this is not.

[Echo38]

Like the real deal, it takes dozens of hours to become proficient at this. The good news is, just about anyone can become good at it, if they want it enough to put in the effort. Do you? : )

[SlipBall]

Now those two boy's are good!!

[aaron886]

Hi Mizzy. (Welcome back!) The DCS P-51 has a fantastic flight model, but to a greater degree than past ED products, you might find that you need to adjust your control setup for comfort. Rest assured, it is a very high quality realistic product, and does what it should do! :)

[howie87]

Haha, this must be a joke!? Gave me a good laugh anyway...

[MTFDarkEagle]

 

In all seriousness, get some time on it, it's not "broken" ;)

[Sharpe_95]

I have just bought this product because it was a reasonable price, well my husband bought it for me but anyway, I have discovered that this aircraft and it's simulation is broken completely !! You can't take off without crashing all the time. I have not been bothered with my flight simulations for several years but I was always able to fly all the other simulations with no problem. This P51 simulation doesn't work, it skids all over the place and doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Is ED (whom I have loads of respect for) going to fix this aircraft I just bought !! I am working shifts at the moment and like a little relaxation with my flight simulators. Thank you in advance.

 

Mizzy

 

The P51 is more than flyable - it just takes a bit of practice. But i would bear in mind the following:

- 'Sim' you can just jump in and fly with low learning curve = arcade/console game or low fidelity survey at best (like FC3).

-'Sim' that you can't just jump in and fly/has a long and steep learning curve/requires a reasonably high IQ/you crash more than you fly at first = high fidelity or study sim like DCS mustang/A10c etc.

 

Oh and by the way - your take off assistance is probably let to 100% so enjoy the curve :)

 

-Sharpe

[Sharpe_95]

PS: Is this a joke/wind up?

-Sharpe

[msalama]

...and doesn't do what it's supposed to do.

 

Sorry, but in this case it's actually YOU who's not doing what you're supposed to. This is a hard plane to fly and the only way to master it is to practice, practice and practice :thumbup:

[Suchacz]

I have discovered that this aircraft and it's simulation is broken completely !!

...You can't take off without crashing all the time.This P51 simulation doesn't work, it skids all over the place and doesn't do what it's supposed to do. Is ED (whom I have loads of respect for) going to fix this aircraft I just bought !! I am working shifts at the moment and like a little relaxation with my flight simulators. Thank you in advance.

 

Mizzy

[irony mode ON]

Uncle Yo-Yo, do you hear that? All those years of hard work, collecting data and programming AFM were only wasting of time...

[irony mode OFF]

:megalol::helpsmilie::joystick:

[theOden]

.. I am working shifts at the moment and like a little relaxation with my flight simulators.

Hi Mizzy, I feel your pain and I think most e-pilots have a handful of rage quits before getting the P51-takeOffs to work fairly good. With your limited time I think you should go for FC3 and easier products as the DCS series vehicles cost a lot of time before one gets anything useful out of them. Keep on struggling, it is doable (try only half throttle).

[atorque]

LOL, broken. No it is not broken, it is just realistic.

[Echo38]

it is not broken, it is just realistic.

 

To be fair, this is harder than the real thing, but that isn't the fault of the sim--it's the fault of our narrow-FoV computer monitors and our crappy plastic joysticks.

[VH-Rock]

You mean I am just crap and it's not broken !! Hey love the Youtube link.. haven't heard 'Baba O'Reilly' for years, I love 'The Who' ;-) Btw how do you get the AI to fly in formation like that ? That was unbelievable !

 

Mizzy

 

P.S. I remember a 'Streakeagle' from my very old Janes USAF days when I used to post under the name of 'Jupiter'..long long time ago now.

 

Now those two boy's are good!!

 

Those were humans, at least I think they'll pass a Turing test. ;)

 

I am not saying you are crap. The Mustang is a handful and then some. Especially if you are not used to fully modeled ground interaction and handling. No offense intended, but Flaming Cliffs, this is not.

 

Many thanks for the compliments for my and my wingman's (SkyHawk) flying - it is appreciated :) DCS P-51 is fantastic, stick with it! When you get it right, it's amazingly rewarding and makes all those hours of crashes well worth it.

[159th_Viper]

Watch these two cockpit vids (particularly MP and RPM setting, DO NOT EXCEED values as per vid) and do the same:

 

Take-Off:

 

**Don't forget to lock the tailwheel**

 

pt54i1_dlys

 

Landing:

 

t9yTD5wJy2g

[kobac]

To be fair, this is harder than the real thing, but that isn't the fault of the sim--it's the fault of our narrow-FoV computer monitors and our crappy plastic joysticks.

 

:thumbup: I vote for this. Flying in these simulations with AFM we need a good FF joystick, and a better view of space - something like Oculus Rift.

 

In addition, it's very frustrating to me, for example, in the dogfight against FW-190D happening - the plane suddenly threw back to the left or right side, or suddenly shut-off the engine and in the debrief doesn't say why it shut down - it just says failure. It would be good if in the debriefing written why the engine stopped suddenly, so I can correct it next time.

Edited September 30, 2013 by kobac

[Tumbleweed]

Just my two cents.

 

The stang is a bit of a b*tch to get used to for a start.

I've only had it for about a week and I'm having to really put the time and effort in to master it. The whole prop torque thing was a big issue for me but you'll soon treat it like it was always there and instinctively learnt to trim or compensate for it.

 

For the first few days I was doing nothing but crashing LOL...

Now, after a few hours, I've been fooling around in free flight tweaking my joystick settings etc and I have her flying lovely. All I need to do now is some real fine fine tuning to calibrate my JS to be in complete sync with the aircraft.

 

I initially started out by calibrating the joystick until the plane barely responded to joystick inputs and moved on from there. Intially I have set pitch to quite insensitive to avoid bucking around and stalling from pulling back too hard when I get too excited hehehe while I've kept the roll pretty sensitive. This has helped me to not be so fierce with the plane.

 

All in all, it has taken me about 3 - 4 days just to get my JS set up how I want it and to get used to how the plane responds to given situations.

 

The stang is a real beaut to fly once you master her quirks so please don't give up. I felt just like you for a start OP but my sheer stubbornness wouldn't let it beat me and now I'm enjoying every flight.. even though I still wreck the old gal spectacularly at times :)

 

All the best,

 

TeKno

[Mizzy]

Well it wasn't supposed to be a wind up or tongue in cheek, I just can't get this product to work and I didn't really know anything about it. Ok so it's just me, I used to fly this aircraft in IL2 Sturmovik and thought that is was going to be the same. Alright I must have sounded very stupid but I thought it was broke because it was nothing like IL2...Oh well

 

Mizzy

[Kuky]

Yup, this is quite a step up in FM from IL-2 :)