One Free Aircraft - The Poll

[mwd2]

... with all respect, but this Kickstarter Project is a full PR and management disaster!

 

I am not sure, if anyone know what he/she will get on the end! A clear post/information with all level, a website with PayPal for the Europe Community is need.

The kickstarter system is more than 1-2 years hold, why you don`t copy the good stuff from other project (and have the strech goals sorted) before you go public.

I can only hope ED & TFC will take a very close eye on your development, so that you don`t lose the right path!

 

 

I would like to support this project, but at the moment, i am not sure on what level i get all flyable aircraft, if you can fly it on DCS World or only in DCD WWII, what is with ALPHA or BETA and soon.

[Gooseneck]

I'd like to hear from someone who hasn't pledged yet, I think. :)

 

... with all respect, but this Kickstarter Project is a full PR and management disaster!

 

I would like to support this project.

 

Well, perhaps not in retrospect. :)

[Keyser]

I would like to support this project, but at the moment, i am not sure on what level i get all flyable aircraft, if you can fly it on DCS World or only in DCD WWII, what is with ALPHA or BETA and soon.

 

All current aircraft can be had at the $30 level, if the 262 should be reached, you'd have to go to $40. You will be able to fly any module in both WWII and World, no matter for which core the license originally was. If you get the World licenses for the P-51D and 190, you can still fly them in World, however you will receive the licenses at the launch of WWII in about a year. The more expensive levels with DCS World licenses will give you the Mustang now and the 190 when it is publically available.

Beta is any pledge level above and including $10. Alpha access will be any pledge level marked as ALPHA as well as any pledge above and including 150$.

[Ganesh]

... with all respect, but this Kickstarter Project is a full PR and management disaster!

 

I am not sure, if anyone know what he/she will get on the end! A clear post/information with all level, a website with PayPal for the Europe Community is need.

 

Similar with my thoughts!

 

I follow the KS since the beginning...

but i´ve never decided how much to pledge. It was to confusing (not only) for me.

And now, the goal is reached and i still don´t know?!

 

I love the DCS Level of detail and i wish to buy more modules.

I´m normally used to buy modules, so the offer with 3 free planes was a unbelievable mystery to me

how can they give these planes away for free??? this can not be in this quality (my toughts)

 

I will definitively buy the Dora in World punctually on release!

So, should i go for the 85$ now?

But why??? I can buy it for 39-49$ from ED and the rest... is anyway free in WWII

 

I would rather go for a new start

 

 

Edited October 1, 2013 by Ganesh

[Карим]

I don't feel spirit of DCS in this project.

 

It rather resembles to LockOn style with several planes at one cover with appropriate quality.

I'd prefer to see it divided into separated planes in DCS manner.

Maybe it is interface stuff. Like ED now divide FC3 into separate icons/modules.

LESS IS MORE. It could be better to focus on three planes in the base goal instead of four in the first stretch goal to provide project success.

I hope to get these WWII planes at P-51D quality and opportunity to choose that one I love.

No one for free, minimum cost - 40$ per plane to feel taste of mature wine.

 

 

PS. Some problem with design - look how WWII icon looks in the row of DCS modules at top of this page.

 

Good luck!

Edited October 1, 2013 by Карим

[mwd2]

All current aircraft can be had at the $30 level, if the 262 should be reached, you'd have to go to $40. You will be able to fly any module in both WWII and World, no matter for which core the license originally was. If you get the World licenses for the P-51D and 190, you can still fly them in World, however you will receive the licenses at the launch of WWII in about a year. The more expensive levels with DCS World licenses will give you the Mustang now and the 190 when it is publically available.

Beta is any pledge level above and including $10. Alpha access will be any pledge level marked as ALPHA as well as any pledge above and including 150$.

 

 

this is still not correct, for $40 you will only get the licence to fly the birds in DCS WWII, NOT in DCS World!

 

You see, their is no order, we have Pledges with the same mount of money, but with different stuff in it - this is not managment is is chaos!

[SlipBall]

this is still not correct, for $40 you will only get the licence to fly the birds in DCS WWII, NOT in DCS World!

 

You see, their is no order, we have Pledges with the same mount of money, but with different stuff in it - this is not managment is is chaos!

 

 

You are wrong and I hope no potential pledge was lost

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114482

:)

[Havner]

What also worried me is that some people in the update 9 comments that pledged but (again) don't read the project description seem to think that $40 gives you all the release planes and future released planes. And even though Ilya debunked they still didn't get it.

 

Shows how careful with pledge wording you have to be.

 

We might have some disappointed people after the release.

 

Same comment as Andreas Pichler. I pledged for 40+$, giving me "a digital copy of all flyable aircraft in the game". I understand "all flyable aircraft in the game". If aircraft are added in 3 years, it's still "in the game". Or does "the game" end when the game is released? I surely hope not.

 

In the update, it is strategically RE-worded to "all aircraft in the initial release". That's a change.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Havner

[Wolf Rider]

What I am argueing against is simply the proposal to keep the Kickstarter as is and change the project after its conclusion. Changes have to be made now. It's not only fairer that way, but also legally safer.

 

 

" ~ legally safer" ? The KS "contract" is done once the KS pledge period ends... the same as a sale. eg The seller announces a 14 day period in which all goods are on sale at half price - that period ends and the price goes up again. you miss out if you're not there at the time.

 

For RRG to announce the change before the KS ends, may work to pull a in few of those "unsure" or hanging out until later though.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Wolf Rider

[Weta43]

I'd have thought a single free aircraft for non-pledgers would be enough - it's a teaser for the game, not a free game in itself..

 

Ideally, shouldn't the free plane be something that won't detract too much from purchased modules - something to give a taste of the sim, but not actually satisfy the thirst all on it's own ?

 

To that end, aren't the 'iconic' planes best kept as payware - which would count out the spitfire & BF-109

 

Tongue in cheek - What about a Macchi C.202 ?

competent enough, but not so sexy people will sit forever with just that, and can legitimately fly for either side :) ...

[mwd2]

You are wrong and I hope no potential pledge was lost

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=114482

:)

 

if i take a look at Update #2 and the pic:

 

tell me please, why should i pledge the $65 level, when i get this also for $40?

This is stupid!

[Wolf Rider]

I'd have thought a single free aircraft for non-pledgers would be enough - it's a teaser for the game, not a free game in itself..

 

Ideally, shouldn't the free plane be something that won't detract too much from purchased modules - something to give a taste of the sim, but not actually satisfy the thirst all on it's own ?

 

To that end, aren't the 'iconic' planes best kept as payware - which would count out the spitfire & BF-109

 

 

+1 exacterly

[gavagai]

 

To that end, aren't the 'iconic' planes best kept as payware - which would count out the spitfire & BF-109

 

I would suggest the P-47. Easier to fly than the P-51 and not as popular.

[Bucic]

You do realize that we're being *s talking about P-47 like that? :D

 

I agree though. It's less popular, can take more beating. But there will be a problem with noobs trying to do turn fighting with it.

 

, why should i pledge the $65 level, when i get this also for $40?

This is stupid!

You'd get 190 and 51 for DCS WORLD if you don't own them yet.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Bucic

[MACADEMIC]

I would really have preferred a trainer plane to be released for free. What use is a P-47 in DCS fidelity to someone who's never flown a (simulated) plane in his life? Let alone dogfight in? There are very good reasons cadets weren't first started on high performance warbirds. I fear this could be more frustrating than encouraging to newcomers...

 

MAC

[mwd2]

You do realize that we're being *s talking about P-47 like that? :D

 

I agree though. It's less popular, can take more beating. But there will be a problem with noobs trying to do turn fighting with it.

 

 

You'd get 190 and 51 for DCS WORLD if you don't own them yet.

 

@GT 5.0 you see, you will not get the FW & P51 at the level of $40 for DCS World - so who is right? I don`t know, Luthier1 don`t know...

 

...did you see now the problem?

 

A clear post what we get is still missing....!

[GeorgeLKMT]

I would really have preferred a trainer plane to be released for free. What use is a P-47 in DCS fidelity to someone who's never flown a (simulated) plane in his life? Let alone dogfight in? There are very good reasons cadets weren't first started on high performance warbirds. I fear this could be more frustrating than encouraging to newcomers...

 

MAC

 

Not with the proper training missions. Newcomers could practice takeoff, flying and landing in any plane. Also when there will be just one free plane, it's good for that airplane to be usable for actual combat as well, not just training :)

[Linx]

I would really have preferred a trainer plane to be released for free. What use is a P-47 in DCS fidelity to someone who's never flown a (simulated) plane in his life? Let alone dogfight in? There are very good reasons cadets weren't first started on high performance warbirds. I fear this could be more frustrating than encouraging to newcomers...

 

MAC

 

And what makes you think that only cadets will play the free DCS WW2?

I'm pretty sure that most rookies would prefer a combat plane since it would actually allow them to go in the multiplayer, it's a Free to Play sim and not Free to Train. :P

And don't forget that they can always simplify the game settings at start.

 

And Ilya was talking a lot about making the learning curve more fun and rewarding for newcomers, so that defeats the purpose of a trainer plane if we'll have more user friendly tutorials.

Edited October 1, 2013 by Linx

[SlipBall]

if i take a look at Update #2 and the pic:

 

tell me please, why should i pledge the $65 level, when i get this also for $40?

This is stupid!

 

 

Yea, they made mistakes and it is confusion, just pick the one that suites you best

[hegykc]

But there will be a problem with noobs trying to do turn fighting with it.

 

There'll be problems like that with all of the other modules too. Not so long ago I was one of those "noobs". I remember being angry at Il-2 for not being able to catch up with a plane 3.000 feet above me. All the while not knowing what prop pitch or mixture is or does...

 

Not to even mention energy management or real life tactics like "turn and burn" or "boom and zoom".

 

Learning how to fly in a study sim is a topic and a project in itself.

 

I think a big training campaign should be next on the priority list.

[MACADEMIC]

And what makes you think that only cadets will play the free DCS WW2?

I'm pretty sure that most rookies would prefer a combat plane and don't forget that they can always simplify the game settings at start.

 

And Ilya was talking a lot about making the learning curve more fun and rewarding for newcomers, so that defeats the purpose of a trainer plane if we'll have more user friendly tutorials.

 

Nothing, to answer your question. I'm not a newcomer, but flying a trainer such as a Tiger Moth in the free game and seeing all those nice warbirds taxi or fly by I'd surely have reached for my wallet to fly in one of them (or in all of them). More money for the devs.

 

Surely training can also occur with simplified this and that. But to me it goes somewhat against the spirit of what DCS is. Got to learn to walk first before you can run.

 

MAC

[Bucic]

@GT 5.0 you see, you will not get the FW & P51 at the level of $40 for DCS World - so who is right? I don`t know, Luthier1 don`t know...

 

...did you see now the problem?

 

A clear post what we get is still missing....!

Ah, we're back at the problem, eh? I give up. GT is overly optimistic. If he is right there is no difference between 40 and 65 pledge. And it sucks luthier did nothing to clear this up. So I just ASSUME only 65 and up gives you the planes for use with DCS WORLD. And I choose not to discuss it, just to be clear.

[Havner]

@GT 5.0 you see, you will not get the FW & P51 at the level of $40 for DCS World - so who is right? I don`t know, Luthier1 don`t know...

 

...did you see now the problem?

 

A clear post what we get is still missing....!

 

Yes, it's not clarified but the current understanding is that DCS world pledges gives you P51 and Dora immediately when they're available (P51 at the end of KS, Dora when beta released).

 

The rest of the pledges with payable planes ($20+) might get you them if you choose or gets you them automatically ($40+) but when DCS WW2 is released. That's the difference. The time you get them. But in theory they should still be DCS World compatible (although it hasn't been confirmed clearly, it's just reading between the lines).

[Linx]

Nothing, to answer your question. I'm not a newcomer, but flying a trainer such as a Tiger Moth in the free game and seeing all those nice warbirds taxi or fly by I'd surely have reached for my wallet to fly in one of them (or in all of them). More money for the devs.

 

Surely training can also occur with simplified this and that. But to me it goes somewhat against the spirit of what DCS is. Got to learn to walk first before you can run.

 

MAC

 

I agree with your points.

If they would have a free game with a trainer, that would most likely make them pay for real combat planes.

But then the question is, how many casuals would even try it out if they already knew that they would only get a WW1 like biplane and not a cool combat plane that can blow stuff up? :)

Or how many would just skip the trainer altogether?

 

When I first tried Il-2, 10 years ago, the first thing I did was take my favorite plane for a spin against enemy fighters. I failed miserably, but that excited me and gave me motivation to learn and master it. I doubt I'd be so excited if I'd be stuck with a Po-2 on a three month learning session.

[hegykc]

They're giving away a combat plane, so the trainer debate is off the table.

 

I hope the backers choose the P-47 so that the most popular planes end up making a revenue for a very long time.