DCS: Spitfire Mk LF IXc Discussion

[Joao611]

I thought the Mk. XXX was a Mark V? It's not?

 

flare

 

Well, this here (http://ghostgrey.gaetanmarie.com/articles/2010/Modification%20XXX/Modification%20XXX%20-%20Beer-carrying%20Spitfires.htm) says:

"The Spitfire Mk IX was an evolved version of the Spitfire, with pylons under the wings for bombs or tanks. It was discovered that the bomb pylons could also be modified to carry beer kegs."

[Sharpe]

what is the status of the Spitfire anyway?

[Crumpp]

But Spitfire could be still flown with much more stick back.

 

Right.

 

Gun ports closed was more stable and could be flown much farther than gun ports open.

 

Gun ports open behavior accounts for the duality of the design behaviors. With gun ports open, the aircraft developed an uncontrolled rolling instability.

Edited December 3, 2014 by Crumpp
added full NACA report

[Crumpp]

Every major combatant in World War II developed Gyro sights.

 

Here is an RAE report on the effectiveness of GCS sights in RAF fighters:

[Crumpp]

Here is similar information for the German gyro computing sights:

[Crumpp]

Very impressed with the level of knowledge and detail the design team is putting into these aircraft at DCS.

[NineLine]

Guys, back on topic please... I get what's brewing here, so stop it.

[Solty]

So. The waiting begins :P

[Rogue Trooper]

Now that the 109 is here.

A long, hard and bloody wait.

[yar3]

Hi. Any anticipated date of the release? :)

[Buzzles]

Hi. Any anticipated date of the release? :)

Two weeks :P

 

On a more serious note, I wouldn't be expecting any news on this until Feb probably, after the Russian Christmas/New Year hols, and when 2.0 should come out.

Edited December 5, 2014 by Buzzles

[NeilWillis]

Soon!

 

:cry::cry:

[yar3]

Two weeks :P

 

On a more serious note, I wouldn't be expecting any news on this until Feb probably, after the Russian Christmas/New Year hols, and when 2.0 should come out.

 

Thanks. That's not too bad as long as the News won't be: "OK we are going to start in not so long from now. Maybe even this year 2015."

 

;)

We have not seen any screens, nothing, as far as I humbly know.

[emg]

There's a screenshot in the september newsletter in the updates forum.

[Foul Ole Ron]

Hopefully when making the Spit IX they take the chance to create a 72" / 21lbs Merlin 66 which could be ported across to the Mustang as well. I guess the Spit IX was cleared for 25lbs but that might be pushing the boat out a bit too far. Looking forward to seeing some screenshots over the next while. Going to be fun flying what is supposed to be the definitive Spit in terms of sweet handling.

[Kurfürst]

All the others are the low boost 1944 version, why should the Spit be an exception, for balance reason? Besides, only the Merlin 266 powered Mk. XVI was planned to use +21 but this never happened. The Mk. IX LF was +18 standard (except early 61 version, which were +15) and was tested for +25, but its doubtful if the latter was ever used in combat. Perhaps later it will be possible, the switchable contents of the mw tank in the K is a good sign.

 

But I am looking forward to it, what matters is that we finally will have a properly modelled Spit IX, without the usual 'dumbed down' control characteristics we have seen in other sims.

Edited December 7, 2014 by Kurfürst

[Friedrich-4B]

All the others are the low boost 1944 version, why should the Spit be an exception, for balance reason?

If Kurfurst actually bothered reading Ron's post it doesn't say anything of the sort:

 

Hopefully when making the Spit IX they take the chance to create a 72" / 21lbs Merlin 66 which could be ported across to the Mustang as well. I guess the Spit IX was cleared for 25lbs but that might be pushing the boat out a bit too far.

 

AFAIK there's nothing wrong with asking that ED create a +25lb Spitfire IX for future scenarios; judging by how they've handled other projects, Ed are likely to have more info about the Merlin's power settings than is available to most of us. Whether or not an individual forum member doubts +25 lbs was ever used should, thankfully, have no bearing on ED's choices.

 

Anyway, with the Spitfire IX pending, here's some colour/markings info from Shores & Thomas' excellent 2 TAF Volume 4:

 

 

arguably, one of the most famous Spitfire IX pilots and one of his mounts:

 

Edited December 7, 2014 by Friedrich-4/B

[gavagai]

Whether or not an individual forum member doubts +25 lbs was ever used should, thankfully, have no bearing on ED's choices.

 

That is a beautiful straw-man, Friedrich.:music_whistling:

 

I really doubt that ED will base its decision on anything blustered in the forums. They're looking at available source data and its completeness in order to make the most accurate Spit IX they can.

 

Looking at our other WW2 modules, the important issues for the Spitfire will be things like the strength of its wings, the effectiveness of the 20mm Hispanos, and systems damage modeling.

 

Going to be fun flying what is supposed to be the definitive Spit in terms of sweet handling.

 

I thought that was the Mk VIII?

Edited December 7, 2014 by gavagai

[Foul Ole Ron]

The RAF trials seemed to indicate that there was very little between the VIII and the IX. Would probably depend on the task at hand and the mission altitude. For high altitude the VIII was slightly better and for lower altitudes I'd probably prefer the IX with its superior roll rate. Though it looks like the trial below was the VIII with the extended wing tips so presumably with the standard wing the low altitude maneuverability difference wouldn't be present.

 

http://www.spitfireperformance.com/spit8tac.html

 

I think you're probably right though. Jeffrey Quill liked the VIII the most.

[MiloMorai]

All the others are the low boost 1944 version, why should the Spit be an exception, for balance reason? Besides, only the Merlin 266 powered Mk. XVI was planned to use +21 but this never happened. The Mk. IX LF was +18 standard (except early 61 version, which were +15) and was tested for +25, but its doubtful if the latter was ever used in combat. Perhaps later it will be possible, the switchable contents of the mw tank in the K is a good sign.

 

Why because the German a/c are late '44 a/c. Nothing to with balance but the time period.

 

As OKL, Lw.-Führüngstab, Nr. 937/45 gKdos.(op) 20.03.45 is oft quoted by some as proof for 1.98ata K-4s, this

 

 

backed up by actual data that 25lb boost was used, unlike 1.98ata with no proof of actual useage, should be enough to have 25lb boost Spitfires.

[gavagai]

Ok, some of us would like to discuss other things than fuel octane ratings.

 

What do we know about the Spit IX so far? Will it have an E-wing with M2 Brownings? Or will it have 4 .303s in the wings?

 

What kind of accessories will it have? One of those fancy slipper drop tanks? Will it carry a 500lb bomb?

 

Will it be a low or medium altitude variant?

[NeilWillis]

Wouldn't it be cool to have all those options available at some point in it's development, switchable in the armaments screen of the mission planner.

 

It would probably be possible to select either wing type, any boost pressure/fuel octane combination, and of course any machine gun loadout.

 

What do you think, a useful way of maximising the possibilities with all modelled airframes? I guess the only restriction would be the time available to implement such goodies at ED.

 

But then, I'm greedy cuz I'd like to see the Mk1 Spitfire onwards modelled here, along with every mark of Bf-109, Fw-190, P-51, Hurricane, F/A-18...

[bongodriver]

I think it will be the version that MH434 is, 1943 built with C wing isn't it?

 

which means the .303 AFAIK +2 x 20mm

[flare2000x]

The screenshot had 4 .303s, so a C wing.

[otto]

[/font][/size][/font] actual data that 25lb boost was used' date=' unlike 1.98ata with no proof of actual useage, should be enough to have 25lb boost Spitfires.[/quote']

 

 

-If the spit gets 25lb and the k4 does not get 1.98 it's fine by me (If that is ED's decision). But lack of documentation does not mean it wasn't used .In the last months of the war things were too chaotic ...

And DCS is not Il2 we might ruin our engines with this mega boosts.

 

-I wish we get some more spitfire screen. I'm curious how the cockpit looks.And an aprox release date.

Edited December 7, 2014 by otto