MMjoy

[Dovahkiin_r]

Am 19.4.2021 um 17:24 schrieb TomVR:

The only things I have a special configuration are a few toggle switches much further up in the button set and encoders.

The buttons having issues are just normal buttons (And can't be set as custom functions anyway as they are beyond 32) I've attached the setup file.

 

f18quad_20210418.mmjoy 1 kB · 2 Downloads f18quad_20210418.mmjoy_HID_txt 4 kB · 1 Download

I have this problem too. 

I investigated the issue and I can explain it.

All the button of my button box is recognized with mmjoy software button page.( the page in above pic)

I configured them  all as normal buttons in the right section. So far so good.

Then I used joystick germlin (is the spell right? :D) and I pressed some buttons, the program recognized some. But some of them didn't recognized by the program. I opened VKB button test in MMjoy and it didnt recognized the buttons that joystick germlin couldnt recognized. At the same time when I press them, the nummber of the button goes red in the MMjoy button section (pic above). So they have no hardware problem. Then I changed the nummber of button in the right section of pic above and then saved them. I tested it with VKB button test and joystick germlin, both didn't recognized some buttons but they were diffrent button from the first test. I realy hope someone could me solve this problem beacuse I put a lot of time on buliding my button box.

[TomVR]

58 minutes ago, Dovahkiin_r said:

I have this problem too. 

I investigated the issue and I can explain it.

All the button of my button box is recognized with mmjoy software button page.( the page in above pic)

I configured them  all as normal buttons in the right section. So far so good.

Then I used joystick germlin (is the spell right? :D) and I pressed some buttons, the program recognized some. But some of them didn't recognized by the program. I opened VKB button test in MMjoy and it didnt recognized the buttons that joystick germlin couldnt recognized. At the same time when I press them, the nummber of the button goes red in the MMjoy button section (pic above). So they have no hardware problem. Then I changed the nummber of button in the right section of pic above and then saved them. I tested it with VKB button test and joystick germlin, both didn't recognized some buttons but they were diffrent button from the first test. I realy hope someone could me solve this problem beacuse I put a lot of time on buliding my button box.

Are your problem buttons also beyond the 32 button range? I might end up splitting my device with a second arduino to just make it two USB devices under the 32 button Dinput limit and not have the problem anymore. (using shift registers in a daisy chain so I can split them up)

[Dovahkiin_r]

vor 10 Stunden schrieb TomVR:

Are your problem buttons also beyond the 32 button range? I might end up splitting my device with a second arduino to just make it two USB devices under the 32 button Dinput limit and not have the problem anymore. (using shift registers in a daisy chain so I can split them up)

I'm not 100 percent sure. But I'm thinking about spliting the device too...

I will ask about this problem in simHQ forum mybe someone can help solve this problem

[TomVR]

My work around has been to split my device in two with separate arduino boards and not exceeding the 32 button limit

[Dovahkiin_r]

I tested it more and found out that in the MMJOY, button that connected to the first line of shift regisers have no problem, but the secound line have some... (for 128 button, I splited to 2 line of SRs, 12 pcs and 4 pcs, beacuse MMJOY have no option for 16 pcs of SR)

So I think I should split my BB.

[rel4y]

Are you using pullup resistors on the CS and DATA lines of the shift regs? I use 10k pullups on both and that solved some problems with long leads for me.

[Duckling]

- Anyone that can point me to the correct version model/manufacturer for the pinheads on the original TM PCB?

se pics, I searched Farnell, digikey and some local stores but failed to find the correct one

 

EDIT: Found it (I think) "JST-EH" / https://www.jst-mfg.com/product/pdf/eng/eEH.pdf

I see now that this post should been in the 'Thrustmaster' subtopic. Sorry for that.

I deleted the bulk of here it and will repost in the correct place.

Cheers

Gus

Edited June 26, 2021 by Duckling
wrong subtopic

[Sokol1_br]

http://cougar.flyfoxy.com/circuits.php

[Duckling]

15 hours ago, Sokol1_br said:

http://cougar.flyfoxy.com/circuits.php

Thank you Sokol1, but unless I misunderstood something, there is no info regarding the quiz about the pinheads model info in the link.

I guess Guillemot used either proprietary (unlikely) pinheads or that the model gone from std business years ago, still hope though. Getting hold of correct one would ease the swap.

Using std pinheads works but better if the real ones can be located 

 

All the best

/Gus

 

[Mr. B]

On 4/25/2021 at 11:40 AM, Dovahkiin_r said:

I'm not 100 percent sure. But I'm thinking about spliting the device too...

I will ask about this problem in simHQ forum mybe someone can help solve this problem

 

Did you find any answers?

 

I have a few controllers and all are over 32 buttons. I m only having issues with one that has encoders on it as well.

Not hardware, but inputs programmed above 'Button 40'.

 

I get occasional bad 'transmits' where it is solid 'on' input in MMJOY, but not picked up that way in VKB tester, etc.

Also get some that invert the output. Not even consistent.

 

I don't want to split it up. DCS UI already makes having multiple controllers worse than paying the dentist's bill.

[TomVR]

On 8/13/2021 at 10:35 AM, Mr. B said:

 

Did you find any answers?

 

I have a few controllers and all are over 32 buttons. I m only having issues with one that has encoders on it as well.

Not hardware, but inputs programmed above 'Button 40'.

 

I get occasional bad 'transmits' where it is solid 'on' input in MMJOY, but not picked up that way in VKB tester, etc.

Also get some that invert the output. Not even consistent.

 

I don't want to split it up. DCS UI already makes having multiple controllers worse than paying the dentist's bill.

 

I just bought a bluepill and hooked up all my analog axis and shift registers to it instead running freejoy. Much better experience overall since its still actively developed

[Mero-Mayhem]

Hi, can someone tell me what the ERROR : "invalid filname - %s" means?

It appears everytime i want to start bootloader and Firmware update.

Whats going wrong?

 

Thanks.

 

 

[Biggus]

I've built boards with MMJoy2 before successfully, but I'm about to create a slightly more complex board and although I've found fragments of helpful information, I still have a few questions before I send my PCB to the manufacturer.

The first question:  Can I connect encoders to shift registers?  And if I can, do they still need diodes?

My second question comes from some confusion as the only example schematic I've seen only includes the Pro Micro and an MCP3008, and in that diagram, the D-OUT for the MCP3008 is connected to the MISO pin.  Is D-OUT intended to be shared with the MISO pin for the shift registers?  I don't think it is, but I'd really like to get a second opinion.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[Sergey_Pe]

11 hours ago, Biggus said:

The first question:  Can I connect encoders to shift registers?  And if I can, do they still need diodes?

An encoder is essentially a pair of buttons. And as with the regular buttons, you can connect them to the shift register inputs; diodes are not required but the pullup resistors are. This way you'll get two physical buttons that can be defined as encoders in the "Joystick Buttons" tab.

11 hours ago, Biggus said:

Is D-OUT intended to be shared with the MISO pin for the shift registers?

I'm just guessing here as I never connected a 3008 to MMJoy myself, but the logic is that the shift registers are not sharing the data line with the SPI-connected peripherals. For each shift register (single or daisy-chained) you are defining the CS and Data pins in the configurator separately. However if you use, say, the TLE50XX sensors for the axes then these sensor boards WILL share the MOSI line with the 3008.

Still (as mentioned in one of the posts above) I'd recommend to move to a FreeJoy project based on a BluePill (STM32) board. It's way more advanced/ stable and offers an excellent online manual (in English as well). Just an example- with the FreeJoy you don't need the pullup resistors for the buttons/ shift registers. What's also important is that the project is constantly evolving with more functions added by the community requests. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Sergey_Pe

[Biggus]

@Sergey_Pe Thanks for the response and the suggestion of an STM32.  I've got one in my stash waiting for a project, and I think you're right, it's a better choice for this job.  I'm redesigning my PCB now.

[Krysnic]

Mmjoy version 2161125 (fixed button assignment) https://drive.google.com/file/d/1cxT1d43cWDY0rQdOZN9p48kZiwf9v6Be/view?usp=sharing

 

[Tanuki44]

This version replaces MMJOY2 [v20161101] which was apparently buggy?

Do you know the improvements over MMJOY2[v20160818upd1]?

 

Edited February 8, 2022 by Tanuki44

[ARMORINE]

can yall help me. this is a project ive been working on for a while now. its a radar slew stick for the viggen. part one of a much larger project. ive got the TLE5011s working perfectly but the shift registers are fighting me pretty hard. 

i cant figure out what ive done wrong. 

[crash test pilot]

Hi! You used the Input pins (for daisy-chaining more sr´s) instead of the output pins to attach the boards to the micro controller. "Out" means output from the shift registers to the micro controller.

Edited March 5, 2022 by crash test pilot

[ARMORINE]

thank you. first project with shift registers so theres been some....backwards learning. its working now and about to give it a test run on a server. sling some mavs and see how it works. im planning on adding another set of shift registers now. this has given me some more ideas on this. 

[slowmover]

Hello guyz. I am using MMJOY over 2 year now. I am using prototype board and it is like Frankenstein build.

Can anyone help me order from JLPCBC some board like these here?

Edited April 26, 2022 by slowmover

[Sokol1_br]

8 hours ago, slowmover said:

Can anyone help me order from JLPCBC some board like these here?

PCB layout for these Shift Register (CD4021B)  boards for  8, 16, 24, 32 buttons are in OSPark/Debolestis.

You can ordem from there, or download de the file and send for your preferred service.

https://oshpark.com/profiles/Debolestis/page/2

[Sergey_Pe]

14 hours ago, Sokol1_br said:

You can ordem from there, or download de the file and send for your preferred service.

Or you can simply buy THIS or THIS.

[TomVR]

11 hours ago, Sergey_Pe said:

Or you can simply buy THIS or THIS.

those arent CD4021B shift registers, so you can't make them 1:1 compatible with TM bases

[crash test pilot]

User rel4y  on this forum used to offer ready-made 4021 shift register boards, ask him if he still does. If not, debolestis boards and a bit soldering it is.