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I can see this is a game... I serviced those two variants of the 530 at BA-102 Dijon, they were used by Mirage IIIE in my time. The AAMs were mediocre, regardless of the variant, same corps, different head, their performances were limited and reliability abysmal due to the way they were stored (pressurised container) technology used and built quality (electronics). The 530 was already integrated to the Mirage III C, here one aicraft of the Escadron de Chasse 1/2 Cigognes, Dijon AFB (BA-102), later the squadron was equiped with the IIIE and the 2000-5F. In all its service life, this AAM scored only ONE kill (with the Israeli air Force), its failure rate was very high. France launched a program for its successor as early as the technology was available and they came up with the Super 530F first used with the Mirage F1, to be honnest, the Super 530D was perhaps the best available at its time, with acceleration, top speed and interception envelops above average. In the case of the 550, it is a totally different story, it is a dogfighting IR AAM, unlike the AIM-9 which was first designed in view of intercepting bombers. The 550 has a larger diameter, a shorter range but is more maneuverable than the contemporary AIM-9s, the Magic II variant had much larger firing envelop (all aspect). I was planing to buy the Mirage F1, (did not happen due to credit card issues, not funds), but If I scored a kill with a 530, I'll know it is much probably nowhere near as realistic as it should be, chances are it would either fail or miss in real life, but fired withing its parameters (range), the Magic II would be best for a turning fight than most other IR AAMS of its time. If you want to translate this doc, you will find some little known informations on those AAMs. LES MISSILES AIR-AIR DE LA DEUXIÈME GÉNÉRATION Centre des hautes études de l'armement. Département d'histoire de l'armement. Comité pour l'histoire de l'aéronautique. Paris COMAERO https://catalogue.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/cb42381212q Official website for archive on the subject of French weaponry, the document needed for this article are not all-public.

Well, I got my RAM thanks to a refund for my G2 which packed up, connection issues too. Thinking of it now, it was a blessing in disguise because my system was and now is even more performant than if I had kept my Crucial Cl16, of course I haven't played DCS since because I simply don't like its complexity in 2D plus I find it hard to keep sight of my targets using knobs, reason why I went VR in the first place. Hopefuly the Pimax Crystal won't die on me and I will enjoy relearning the basics on my Mirage 2000C and F/A-18C, good thing X-Mass came early and I am able to afford an upgrade after only two years, but even with the same old GPU, a gain like the one I got from this new RAM/CPU combo guaranty me a proper 4K VR experience... I had the first release of G2 and Im sure they had some problems, also the 3D support by Microsoft was mediocre, I'm pleased to be out of this to be honnest.

Sure thing. The inside is a lot more important, you wouldn't believe what I cleaned from some of the fans last upgrade, I had to dismount a couple of case fans and clean them with a brush. The CPU fan was already damaged by the weight of the dust which added ware on its axis and at full rpm its blades now hits the fairing recessing slightly in front of it, I had to order a new one. Here is the Artic Freezer 7 X, its cooling performances are excellent but the fan will behave like an aircraft prop and pull forward, clean it is not so bad but with the added weight of dust on the blades it compresses the joint in the axis front and wares it, as you can see the frairing is recessed and blades will hit it. On the other hand, the GPU fans were still clean and the motherboard wasn't really affected either.

I think Power supply is the first thing to check, I burn enough HDs in the past to know it, I get myself a nice CORSAIR 850W to keep some headroom... For the AMD future 7,000 series x3d, the ball remains firmly in the die manufacturers side, AMD have been making enough efforts to make sure the actual RAM would work with their CPUs but their architecture remains biased toward lower latency, so unless someone come with the equivalent of B-die for the DDR5, we'll have to wait before we can benefit from the extra speed. It's infortunate but also the reason why I rarely buy premium stuff and wait for the indutries to be harmonized when it comes to compatibility and performances.

On my desk, next to my keyboard and stick, the whole thing under my bed. There isn't that much I can do against dust appart for hoovering as often as possible including the PC filter and regularly the internals. Clean your PC filters and internals regularly. Dust can be a killer, not only is it conductive so it can create short curcuits and lead to your RAM slots to burn (seen it happen with one of mine), but also it prevent your system to cool properly, this cause the thermic limit to lower so your CPU/GPU limits will be lower as well. Also, dust can stick to fan blades, creating extra ware, especially when your fans are running at max speed, the blade profile is altered so they are not as aerodynamically efficient.

Funny how the table is turning between Intel and AMD, but I wonder why chosing the 7900x over an 5800X 3D? Of course frequency is important but in gaming cache might well beat it most of the time, with Cl 14 3600 B-die RAM, my gain over the 5600X is as following: You can see that the cache, bounded with low latency RAM gives you excellent results on all channels, the Graphics score gain of 18.91% is particularly noticeable, not something you'll get out of a Zen3, you'll need the 3D cache for that. Settings are 4K MSAA X 2, same GTX 1080Ti, compared to the 5600X with CPU and GPU boosted. RAM was G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) Cl 14 DDR4 3200Cl14 now G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) Cl14 DDR4 3600. Good info, it kind of validate my decision to wait for better die for DDR5, right now the latency is just way too high to get the equivalent of the Cl14 kits. Still with your GSkill? The Zen 4 will give a faster Infinity Fabric frequency, 3000MHz vs 2000VHz for the Zen 3, as well as two modes, low latency and bandwidth, but even if AMD are puting a lot of efforts to make it work, the RAM industry still don't have the die to equal the low letancy best used by the Ryzen CPUs with DDR5. They have to put the latency higher in order to keep their sticks stable, meaning the range of timing is nowhere near what AMD players need.

The steps I given help freing RAM, increase bandwidth even before thinking about changing anything except for the RAM, it's just a start but it makes a difference with lower specs systems, as you upgrade (if) the difference will be noticeable just as well, every little thing help if done properly. Here is just a small example what maintainace/optimisatiom is doing for you, it works in boot times so it does in VR performances. I played at 4K with a 5600X and a 1080Ti although at lower setting but my system is optimized using those steps and it was only vs 4 bots. See video. You're already below the minimum requiered RAM, you got yo understand that your Headset needs as much bandwight as your CPU can provide it with to play smoother, so my assumption that a RAM upgrade was in order was spot on, although you use an Intel wi will help a lot. What is your full system specs? If you want to play multi-player at 4K, you will need mid-to-high range CPU and GPU to support a headset that will work good at those resolutions, I personally wait for the PIMAX CRYSTAL and the AMD RX 7900 XTX, but it's high end. The G2 clarity and resaolution were very good but PoV limited, when it packed up, I splashed the refund in RAM and I don't regret it.

Most probably my next Headset...

From my humble experience with the G2, list of things to do to increase bandwidth with what you've got: . Windows 10: Get rid/disable/uninstall all apps running in the background that you don't use, prevent automatic update to kick in when you're playing. . Leave a good chunck of unused space in your Windows partition. . Create a large paging file in a different partition to that of windows or your gaming folders (mine is 2.92GB but you can go away with half that). . Install your game on a fast M2 SSD with plenty of capacity. . Service your PC softwares regularly with a tool such as Glary Utilities (I clean it every time I boot my PC). >>> . Make sure your RAM is properly bound to your CPU: There is a bottleneck at higher resolution (under load where the controller throttle down) especially with AMD processors using Zen 3/3D, they are designed for lower latency, if you want more performances from your system, you'll splash some x-tra dosh on a 3200/3600 MHz B-die Cl14 Ram kit, better 4 X 1 rank (interleaving). Higher frequencies won't give you the result you're looking for, follow manufacturers recommandation, maximum frequencies for this gen of CPU is 3200Mhz, with a B-die kit you'll have the right timins to push it to 3600Mhz or use a Cl14/3600Mhz kit. For Intel processors, it's more about increasing frequencies by eventually O.Cing your RAM, they use higher frequencies better than lower latency but the range of timing available from B-die kits suits both AMD and Intel. Intel: How to Overclock RAM. B-Die Finder  Find Samsung B-Die DDR 4 memory kits on Amazon, Newegg and many more. . Clean your PC filters and internals regularly. Dust can be a killer, not only is it conductive so it can create short curcuits and lead to your RAM slots to burn (seen it happen with one of mine), but also it prevent your system to cool properly, this cause the thermic limit to lower so your CPU/GPU limits will be lower as well. Also, dust can stick to fan blades, creating extra ware, especially when your fans are running at max speed, the blade profile is altered so they are not as aerodynamically efficient. A gaming PC is like a Formula one car, you need to take care of it or it will be slower and eventualy, break down.

My previous system was: AMD Ryzen 5 5600X. G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 MHz Cl14. from Jan 2021 (Crucial 3200MHz Cl16 previously). My present system still in the process of being upgraded (waiting for GPU): AMD Ryzen 7 5800X. G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3600 MHz Cl14. I tested both systems back to back with 3DMark Pro at 4K/MSAA X2 (Direct X 11 Fire Strike), the 5600X and 1080Ti were boosted (AMD Ryzen Master and MSI Afterburner) but the 3D system wasn't, same 1080Ti GPU. Here are the results. Obviously, the CPU works real well at 4K and keep all channels open under load, which in turn translates to better Graphics score, even the Phisics score is higher despite the 3D running 1 MGz slower than the 5600X, a Combined score of + 32% is impressive from my PoV, the cache works real well but you'll need a B-die Cl14 kit to take full advantage of it. For comparison, my 5600X was 21% faster than the 3600X it replaced with a Crucial Cl16 3200 MHz RAM and a change from a Cl16 only resulted in a Combined gain of 1.33% Graphics and 1.35% Combined. So the combination of low latency RAM and this CPU cache brings a lot of benefits at every levels. For DCS tests, I will have to wait for GPU and VR head set.

I think it is a question of method, Intel and AMD players won't obtaint the same results, each player perhaps shoud focuse on squeezing the most performance of their system at 4K... AMD bring a lot of changes and advances with the Zen 4, first the Infinity Fabric runs at 3000MHz, that's 1000MHz faster than Zen3, but the RAM frequency to latency ratio still lags behind. The Ryzens are designed for lower latency so for as long as AMD players will have to deal with Cl30 and so for just to increase frequencies and use DDR5, the amount of progress in real time gaming will still be limited. We need a new die, the equivalent at 6000 MHz to B.Die at 3600 MHZ and it's still not out of the pipeline today, reason why I chose to upgrade with a Zen 3D and not pay the premium (be it performance or cost) just for RAM and die manufacturers to do their home work. For Intel users the situation is a tad brighter, their controllers are not dealing with higher latencies that bad, they like higher frequencies better than the Ryzens, at the end of the day it's a question of personal choice, either you chose to go for the new technologies and won't be able to run your AMD CPU at full potential for a while or you go Zen 3 and rely on known values.

That migt well be but the issue here is that it is the CPU controllers which set the limits, and those are from the Infinity Fabric need to have a 1:1 ratio to be perfectly aligned, plus the Zen3/3D IF is limited to 2000MHz frequency which limits the RAM available at 4000MHz to (I believe) zero for optimum performances. Loose timings are not what the Zen 3/3D needs, and the reason why until Zen4 and an IF running at 3000MHz or a die that can provide with stability and range of timing at 4000MHz, the B-die reigns when it comes to low latency/higher frequencies. note that Zen4 is designed for DDR5. Right now RAM manufacturers are limited to higher latencies for higher frequencies, and even if a die is stable, at the cost of lower latencies and narrower timing range it is not the equivalent of a Cl14 3600MHz. especially with a 7 5800X 3D. To have a similar situation to Zen3/3D/B-die with frequencies above 3600MHz, we (Zen 3/3D users) will have to wait if ever, RAM manufacturers breaks this low latency barrier. As for a 4000MHz compensating for looser timings with a Zen3/3D, that's not gonna happen at 4K, the Zen architecture and the controller are not designed for this, if you force a timing (even tested) higher than the recommanded HGz on one of those, it will perhaps work at lower resolutions when load is minimum but here is the catch, it's under load that your CPU will throttle down and this is where the bottleneck is. It's the controllers which manage the RAM and all other channels, limited to 4 X 1 banks, 3200MHz with high street RAM (Cl16 and other), 3600 MHz with a B-die kit for optimal performances, and when the controller struggle to manage this the loss is very perceptible. This way beyond what the Zem3/3D Infinity Fabric is designed to cope with. it is stable with a Cl14 at 3600MHz (what I am running now), but if you fit a RAM kit with higher latency no wonder it will start acting up. Players needs to provide their CPU with the right RAM. Sticking a JATO rocket in the butt of an old Chevy is not going to make a Formula One of it. So guys, do your test at 4K if you really want relevant results, at 1080P the load on the CPU is not high enough to be fully indicative of the potential of your combo.

Well that's actually not very accurate. You mention Samsung B-Die ability for overclocking but ommit to specify the reason why it CAN overclock and that's 1) stability, 2) timing ranges. So saying "you can get the same results with other ram " is an huge overstatement, the truth behind it is "if they can hit same timings", which is a major factor, since another die won't give you either the stability nor the range of timing, if you know better and can direct players toward a non-B-die RAM kit that equals a Corsair or a Gskill, feel free to share. For the time being, I know where to ask for opinions and advises. The cache doesn't allow to bypass any RAM bootleneck, the controller limits in relation to RAM timings and the desired Infinity Fabric 1:1 ratio is still there, the presence of the chache doesn't change those controllers limits, in short if you do not have the die providing you with what the CPU needs, range of timing timings and IF 1:1 ratio, you can forget about using the cache to its full potential. Another point you got completely wrong; Bdie kits were useed by both Intel and AMD CPUs players when the RAM speeds weren't high enough for them, meaning Zen2, from Zen3, AMD players were able to use wider timing range and take advantage of lower latencies, not exactly your simplyfied version of reality. Then if you ask AMD technicians what they think of it they will reply this: So this clearly counterdict completely what you are saying. That would be you. My CPU is an AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D upgraded from a 5600X. RAM have equal capacity, 32GB, Cl4, 4 X 1 bank both 3600GHz from 3200GHz. Here are the details of my two consecutive kits: G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3600 (PC4 28800) Desktop Memory Model F4-3600C14Q-32GTZRA I didn't tested in DCS yet but you can trust the results I obtained with 3D Mark Pro at 4K MSAA X 2 compared to my previous set up. 5600X/32GB 3200 GHz Cl14 4 X 1 X rank. You can be certain that those gains will translate to DCS as they did for my previous rig, even more with this CPU. The cache will make access to data faster because the CPU won't have to try to access those data from the RAM as often, the goal as explained in the AMD video is to reduce latency, if your RAM allows for a further reduction regardless of the frequency, within the bandwidth of the CPU, you will gain in performances.

i don't test with Time Spy but Fire Strike, with settings at 4K X MSAA, first reason is Direct X 12, second "DirectX 11 benchmark for high-performance gaming PCs and overclocked systems", most apropriate for my PC since I want to play 4K VR. First I run test to compare back-to-back performances with the CPU/RAM/GPU I replace, then different BIOS and BIOS settings/timings in order to squeeze the last bit of performances of my PC. As part of optimization, since I also upraded one of my SSDs to a 2TB, was to set up a 3.92 GB partition and allocated my paging files to it, as well as "degreasing" Windows 10 by uninstalling stuff I don't use and disabling other app, I'm still in the process of fine tuning and have been delivered a new Freezer 7XCO cooler, the other one is mechanically compromised. And I forgot, this is only the stage 1 of my upgrade path, I'm still waiting for the RX 7900 XTX to be availale.

The Zen 3/3D caches have been doubled from Zen2 twice and if you ask AMD they will explain the reason to you: Latency. Their architecture is designed to take advantage of lower latencies, not higher frequencies, and this is precisely the reason why they doubled the cache, so that the RAM could be accessed more often and this cache filled with the DATA the processor processes. No problem about your own gear, Intel processors doesn't work the same way and beneficiate a lot more than Zen 3/3D from higher frequencies, you also can O.C RAM and gain a lot more with an Intel than an AMD. Intel: How to Overclock RAM. DDR 5 is not making as much prrogress as AMD would have liked, the RAM manufacturers doesn't have the die to reduce latency at higher frequencies but on the contrary, they have to increase it to maintain their kits stability, on the other hand, AMD next generation Zen 4 will take more advantage of the actual available range of DDR5 witn an Infinity Frabric clocking 3000MHz, 1000MHz higher than the zen 3/3D. They also will give you the choice between two profiles: Bandwidth and low latency. This is farsighted since I'm sure Corsair and GSkill will be looking for the next generation of Die in order to reduce latency, the advantages are not to be demonstrated. So for those willing to wait for Zen 4 it's not so bad, but myself I'll wait for lower DDR 5 latency... ps I'm waiting for full upgrade (GPU and VR headset) to test my gear in DCS, right now I'm validating with 3D Mark Pro.

That's the whole idea. But you won't take advantage of it with the wrong RAM kit. And btw, this video is not the only one getting it wrong when it comes to RAM or CPU tests (like using RAM frequencies that doesn't result in a 1:1 ratio), you want real info and not commercially biased ones from youtube, ask manufacturer techies... Here is what you can expect from bounding the 5800x3d with a proper RAM kit (B-die, 4 X 1 bank, 3200 or 3600 GHz), not a high street Cl16 non B-die (be it from G.Skill or Corsair, they aren't better than a Crucial Ballistix) which will never achieve those results simply because the RAM controller will not have what it needs for it and they haven't changed from the 5600X. Test was conducted at 4K 2 X MSAA (3D Mark Pro) vs my old 5600X with B-die kit and optimum timings in BIOS, from this result, the only difference is 3200MHz vs 3600MHz. The CPU kept all channels open and storing the data to the cache made the GPU work a lot easier, for the story, I used the same EVGA GEFORCE GTX 1080 Ti which was boosted like the 5600X (MSI Afterburner and AMD Ryzen Master) with the 5600X rig but not boosted for this last test. In short, there is bottleneck CPU-RAM which if you remove it with a B.die kit, let you beneficiate from the full potential of your Ryzen 3/3D, if not, expect a loss of up to 1.33% in Graphic score, 6.04% in Physics score and 1.35% in Combined score, that's the gains I got at 4K 2 X MSAA from a Cl16 high street RAM kit to a B.die 4 X 1 rank, 3200HGz kit with my 5600X. With this CPU using a high street RAM kit might well result on much more loss of performances. My tip is to spend the dosh in a proper RAM and avoid high street RAM kits, even if they are branded G.skill or Corsair, especially with this CPU, 18.91% gain in Graphics score at 4K 2 X MSAA is more than triple the average gain of a water cooler for your GPU, and you'll retain your warranty. B-Die Finder  Find Samsung B-Die DDR 4 memory kits on Amazon, Newegg and many more. AMD Zen 3/3D controllers limits are: 3200GHZ (unless you use B-die with much larger timing range), 4 banks. Optimum is: Same as above + 4 X 1 bank (interleaving). All infos supported by AMD and GSkill technical support.

The RX 7900 XTX is my next GPU, considering how I've been preparing my rig in the CPU-RAM dpt it should make this PC flying at 4K in VR, can't wait to be able to order one.

Update on my planned upgrade: The MSI MEG X570S ACE MAX and AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D combination works fine but I find the choice of timing at Cl14 limited, at least with this BIOS, you just can't increase frequencies at Cl14. The G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 kit proved to be the wrong choice for the board, first, this kit isn't supported by the motherboard, then it doesn't meet my requirements: Trident Z RGB series using B-die, in a 4 module kit, with single rank modules, at DDR4-3600 (or higher) at CL14. I was able to run the kit at 3200 and 3600MHz but only with a loss of capacity from 32GB to 8GB per stick, more to the point, the 32GB stick is not single bank (interleaving). The gain for a 3600 GHz single bank Cl14 kit is about 2% at 4K, it doesn't seems much but at this level every litte % counts, especially running at Cl14 which is the best for a Zen3 favouring lower latency and even pushing the conceipt further with the 5800X 3D. GSkill technical support are real good and they replied to me immediately, here is their reply to my request. So here I'm back to 32GB (4 X 8GB) of capacity, the good news is, the new kit is a Cl14 3600 MHz and the whole system runs at 4K/MSAA 2 20% faster than my previous rig without any O.C/boost, it should be a good bound for the RX 7900 XTX.

It's simple. ALL CPUs have similar limitation, a look at Intel or AMD specs says it all and yours is not different. What runs the show here, is not your perception of how "unique" a player system might be, it is the CPU controllers and to give you a clue both manufacturers give CPU limits, which are for the previous generations 3200 MHz for the Ryzen 5 3600X and 2666 MHz for an Intel I9 990K as used for the Intel test, I explained why by giving each CPU main characteristics. Here are the Zen 2 and Zen 3 controllers specs. In short before Zen 3, both AMD and Intel beneficiated from higher frequencies that a B.Die RAM kit would provide their controllers, so top gamers would use those kits and O.C them because they were the only RAM kits allowing for it, so did the Intel technicians. Zen 3 is biased toward lower latency so a Ryzen 5 5600X will take advantage of a Cl14 kit at 3200 MHz. Right now, the rare CPUs designed to handle DDR5 like the 12900KS has a limit of 3200 MHz for DDR4 as well, 4800 MHz running DDR 5, meaning it does not support faster DDR 4 RAM using the non-B.Die solution than a Ryzen 5 3600X, to run at higher frequencies than those DDR5 or DDR 4 you'll need B.Die RAM and their range of timings, that's Controler limits for you. Controllers manage timings, channel bandwidth and their own clocks, it's NOT the RAM or the GPU you fit in, it's the CPU controller and what they can handle or not, they aren't unique to each player or system as opposed to what you suggest. If you wander out of those limits by fitting RAM kits that go beyond it, you keep the bottleneck I mentioned, if you provide your CPU with the RAM that let the controller work to its full potential by using the timings it needs to do so, be it with higher frequencies (Intel) or lower latency (AMD Zen 3) you remove it and AGAIN, there is no going around that, that's how it works. Things controllers CANT handle are: Too high frequency. Too high number of banks. Meaning try to fit a Cl 16 4 X 2 banks 3600 MHz to any of those DDR4 CPUs and you will see your CPU throttling down under load. No 4K for you dude... This is why Intel technicians are using B.Die Cl14 to O.C their RAM with their own CPUs, since their CPU is not designed to take advantage of lower latency, those RAM kits at least can be O.Ced because the material they are made of is much more stable and allow the controller to use the timing it needs to run at full speed at higher frequencies. And there is NO difference between the last two DDR4 generations, from Ryzen 5 3600X to 5600X the controllers are the same apart for ECC support (question of speed vs safety here), pretty much the same story with Intel, the i9-9900K 2666 MHz has even lower frequency limits than a 3600X, simply because the rest couldn't cope with more load, there was no need for increasing those controllers limits, only the next generation of CPU might bring a progress at this level but right now it is not the case. Ryzen DDR5 5200 MHz Intel DDR5 DDR5 4800 MHz

You seriously can't pretend to run a reliable bottleneck test with this RAM kit, it is obvious it has one and he doesn't even mention the reason why... I find amazing that people can pay so little attention to the bound between CPU and RAM, because the ability of the CPU to deliver maximum performances under load is directly depending of the RAM Timings and this mean that if the CPU controller can't access the timings it needs to run at full throttle it will strugle and eventually throttle down. With Intel CPUs and older generation AMD Ryzen, frequencies are what matters most, that's why competitive players used B.Die kits to O.C those kits. Intel techies run their tests with GSkill Trident Z RGB for this reason, it posseses the range of timing the CPU can handle to support higher frequencies but lso, ONLY one bank per stick and 3200 MHz Cl14, within the CPU frequencies limit without OC.ing it and low latency. With the Ryzen 5 Zen 3 architecture it is a totally different matter, it favours low latency instead of high frequencies and this kit provide those Ryzen with the best stability and timing range possible while keeping within the controller's limits, same here, maximium of 4 X 1 bank, 3200 MHz. That's what the actual CPU in use by the majority of players controllers can handle, out of those limitations; number of rank per stick + higher freequencies and if you try to play 4K you'll lose in performances because your controller doesn't have access to the timings it needs to handle the load. So if you want to get rid of those RAM-to-CPU bottlenecks, you'll need a B.Die RAM kit, which are the only ones using the SAMSUNG die. B.die is much more stable and allowing the RAM to provide your CPU with a much wider range of timings, and because they only have one bank per stick, a 4 X 1 combo also allows for interleaving for better spread of memory addresses across memory banks. That's how you eliminate those bottlenecks, no other way because it is the way those generations of controllers are designed and what they requier to tun at full throttle under load. For Intel users... How to Overclock RAM Beware of what RAAM manufacturers sells you, you might well end up with wooden chariots instead of Ferraris, do your home work.

The Ryzen 5 5600X is curently one of the best gaming CPUs in the market, a good bound for a 3080 Ti, but to take aadvantage of its design you'll better get a kit of RAM for the purpose, and there aren't that many. My suggestion since you want to play VR and get close to 4K is G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 32GB (4 x 8GB) DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C14Q-32GTZR That's the only combination which will let the CPU run at full capacity at 4K, any other RAM will keep a bottleneck that plays under load and results in the CPU throttling down, with this RAM I gained 6.04% at 4K compared to a Crucial Cl16 kit of the same frequency. After that you can look for a 3080Ti second hand but you'll be better off taking good care of your RAM-CPU bounding or performances will be affected under load anyway. The upper option for Ryzen gaming is the AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D Cache Eight Core 4.5GHz (Socket AM4) Processor, with the same RAM and pared with a 3080 Ti, it should give you decent results for a mid-range system, it clocks slighly slower but has tons of cache and that's how it makes the difference in gaming.

3600 MHz is the sweet spot for Cl16 and above, but the Zen 3 architecture favours lower latencies. Let's say that if one player is planning to play exclusively at lower res, doesn't have the funds to pay for the B.Die Cl14 premium, then increasing frequencies might be an option but it will come with its limitations, especially if the player in question doesn't know what he is doing and fit 4 X dual bank sticks, which is beyond the controller limitation. Before commiting to this RAM, I have asked MSI, AMD and other techies (G-Skill providers) their technical advise and then again I took a risk because this RAM kit wasn't listed as supported by my motherborad, but not only it worked flawlesly first time, I also noticed a gain from my previous Cl16 Crucial kit. This Cl14 RAM wasn't origilaly aimed at Zen 3 but the previous generation of CPUs, AMD and Intel alike, for its capability to support a much wider range of timings, so users could O.C their RAM when the other kits didn't support those frequencies, but because of the stability of the Samsung die, it is idealy suited for lower latencies. Those techies commented among other things that Cl 16 higher frequencies could alleviate the difference between those ram sticks and the Cl14 but up to a point and the controller is the limit, meaning the load it can take before throttling down, the average user might not notice because he/she won't put that much load on the CPU controller. So if you want to play at 4K with a Ryzen 5/7, your best option is B.die, Cl14, 4 X 1 bank, (which allows for interleaving which spreads memory addresses evenly across memory banks) and 3200 MHz. You get that, you have the optimum RAM bound for those CPUs. As for the Ryzen 7 5800X 3D, it seems like it is the extention of what AMD have been doing since they introduced Zen 3, they try to reduce latency further, when the DDR5 tech will be mature, perhaps they will have support for lower latencies at higher frequencies, but not ust yet... Now, with the event oi DDR5, higher frequencies RAM kits being agressively marketed etc, before I even think to commit to any new technology, I'll check what my CPU controller as well as motherboard can support, plus I haven't seen any of those DDR5 kits responding to those requirements yet...

The Ryzen (Zen 3) controllers limit is 3200MHz, there is absolutely no benefit going for a higher frequency while using a B.die RAM kit if you intend to run it at 4K, the limits are also 4 X 1 bank regadless of the number of sticks. Passed those limits, higher frequencies might (or not) compensate at lower resolution, but under load, the controller will throttle back, this combination removes the bottleneck at 4K. The Ryzen architecture is not designed to use higher frequencies but lower latencies {Cl14) and when I tested my Crucial kit at Cl 16 3600 MHz, I lost just above 1% at 4K, no gain, on the contrtary, I gained 6.04% at 4K running this Cl14 kit at 3200MHz in a 4 X 1 bank combination, since I intend to play 4K VR it is what I need. AMD Ryzen™ 5 5600X AMD Ryzen™ 7 5800X3D Intel techies uses this precise RAM kit to O.C it, as did players using older generations of Ryzen and Intel CPUs but it is not what the Ryzen 5/7 are happy with. How to Overclock RAM >>>>>>>>>>>>> Advantages of the X570S ACE MAX over the Tomahawk: 2 X extra SATAIII connections. X 1 extra USB 3.2 ports (Rear) (Gen 2x2, Type C). 2 X extra USB 3.2 (Gen 1, Type A) ports (Front). I need more, faster USB ports so with the Tomahawk, I would have the same limitations than I have now, also the 4 X M.2 Slot and SATA channels are separated, you don't lose one SATA for using one or more than one M2 SSD. Those things might not look like they matter, but I will use 2 X M2 SSD (to start with) and at least 3 SATA, the SSDs for gaming (my games are loaded on my actual M2, the other ones for Windows, apps and storage. For the RAM capacity, it's coming with a kit that you must get as a 4 X1 not 2 eparated kits. One DCS player had the unfortunate experience of adding the same RAM with an extra kit and couldn't start Windows at all, so it is important to get your shoping list right first thing, regardless of the capacity, you must get a complete kit from the start. I couldn't find a 4 X 16 GB kit and since I have the budget, I decided to get this one anyway, specs might change if I can get a 4 X 16GB kit of the same RAM from Newegg. G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-128GTZR

If you bound a Ryzen 5/7 with B.die RAM, notably the 3200 GHZ G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series, you'll get rid of the RAM-CPU bottleneck, that's 6.04% gain at 4K. So I decided for my upgrade to go for this RAM, it is far better than having to change everything for a gain which is lower, on top of which I haven't seen a single B.Die kit responding to Ryzen CPUs requirements yet...

So I have secured this funding, years of pension arrears, done sone research about performances and availability here is my shopping list: CORSAIR RMx Series (2021) RM850x CP-9020200-NA 850 W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS GOLD Certified Full Modular Power Supply. MSI MEG X570S ACE MAX AM4 AMD X570 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. 2 X SAMSUNG 870 EVO Series 2.5" 2TB SATA III V-NAND Internal Solid State. WD Black SN850X 2TB SSD M.2 2280 NVME PCI-E Gen4 Solid State Drive. AMD Ryzen 7 5800X 3D. G.SKILL TridentZ RGB Series 128GB (4 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR4 3200 (PC4 25600) Desktop Memory Model F4-3200C16Q-128GTZR. Pimax Crystal. RX 7900 XTX. THRUSTMASTER HOTAS Warthog Flight Stick (I keep the TWCS throttle, I'm used to it and it works just fine). I retain two SSDs (SATA/Windows 10 and M2/Games) will transfer the content of my actual SATA SSDs to the new ones and keep my cooling which I am very happy with, for full upgrade I'll need a new box but it is not necessary as everything fits on my actual case.