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Well... I guess I can only congratulate Apache fans. It has been a long waiting time for you. But still, I am disappointed knowing it's not something Eastern, but yet another American bird instead, of which we have had a lot in the previous years already. I guess people like me will have to wait much longer (till we are already dead and a little more, probably).

Making such big changes to the game, especially when they are going to totally kill the gameplay, because some pilot told something in a video on the internet is a bit strange, isn't it? With all due respect to this pilot, whom I don't try to offend, I don't see his words as a reliable source. After all, we need something more documental to base a high fidelity simulation on. If you find some official docs saying the same thing - it's going to be a totally different case, but words of one pilot are totally not enough to make any decisive conclusions.

Red cold war ground attack or modern multi-role. Actually, something like Su-17/20/22 or MiG-27 would complement MiG-23 nicely.

It's a very interesting judgement mr Fri13 made about Super Hornet, however there is one reason I would call it unlikely. The devs have a hard time gaining access to data even about earlier planes, essentially 90's models upgraded in mid 2000s. It seems to me that modernised FA-18C and F-16 bl.50 are the most modern we can get, and even they have many systems greatly simplified for secrecy reasons. Including EW and D/L. And the game as a whole revolves around 80s-mid 00s and doesn't yet have assets suitable for the 10s. Even on BLUFOR side.

The fact is, we already have modern stuff for BLUFOR, and dor the REDFOR... No. People just want some real competition. Flying f-16 vs 18 is not that much immersive. It's not because people want something OP, it's because people want some realistic near-peer rivals to the airplanes already released. It's not a case against Cold War stuff, I'm all for it, just against misunderstanding of motives of those of us desiring modern red planes.

Sorry, accidentally wrote been instead of being. As far as I understand, they are trying to find a way to get permission.

I guess that we wouldn't get an SM3 untill 2040. However, a few months ago even a full-fi 29A was thought to be impossible, and now it's being negotiated, maybe the same will happen to the more modern jets in a few years.

ED actually has a bit strange and ambivalent look at realism. While they declare "realism above all" principle requiring strong documental basis to model everything, and mostly adhere to this, there are some notable exceptions to this, not only from the old times of Lock-On, but even from nowadays. They decided to add a wider variety of weapons for Ka-50 with the planned paid update, those that were not found on real Ka-50's, but rather on Ka-52s... And while we already have Ka-50 in full-fi, and modelling it's new weapons is probably not very much different from the old ones, it surely is not going to be as realistic as their standards go. But at the same time, modelling late R-77-1 isn't an option for them, because they can't make it as quality as they want. Strange, isn't it? The same goes for simplified and full-fi models. They are going to make lo-fi MAC, but not to add lo-fi multirole Russian stuff because... They don't want to make lo-fi planes! It seems that their approach to the extent of realism they accept as minimal is somewhat arbitrary, varying from plane to plane. But maybe I'm wrong, it may well be that I don't know or understand something, so no accusations here.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4448979&postcount=9121 R-73 RMD-2 missile is planned to be added.

It's not directly related to this topic, but still has some relevance. Chizh said on Missiles in DCS thread that they have added to their plan R-73RMD-2, which was adopted in late 90's and has better off-boresight capability and probably better ECCM. Proof: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4448979&postcount=9121. It's going to be separate from R-73 we currently have and can be used by Su27 we currently have. The ETA is unknown. Though not really a game changer, it's a step in the right direction, isn't it?

Chizh said on Russian forum "not to expect much improvement" regarding performance of Russian missiles after rework as he believes they are already quite accurately modeled. And R-77 is unavailable for MiG-29A anyways, it's not S model. Also, the Blue side has F-14 with Phoenix missiles working just like AMRAAM but twice ranged. I don't do much MP, but even in SP it's a challenging opponent especially since it seems way too accurate.

I mean that it's not THE one brain melter promised to be announced. A Tonka sure would be great, though I don't think anything revolutionary about it.

Me too, but ECM is likely to be the very reason that might prohibit the more modern variant. However, it might be possible to port existing ECM mechanic from FC3 MiG-29S to the full-fi MiG-29 9-13, without digging into further details.

It seems to me that ED doesn't really understand what it itself wants MAC to be. They tell that it's going to be a standalone product, than they talk about module for DCS. And since it's being developed so long, I can't really believe it's just about simplifying already existing planes to the FC3 level. It wouldn't take as much time.

And the Su-30, and some Western stuff like S-3B. They planned to such things gradually, but it seems they are preoccupied with other things related to modules.

In the the interview Grim Reapers took it was said that Tornado is not planned to be made by ED. A third party can go for it, but it doesn't relate to brain melter.

Don't get too much excited, the MiG is only being looked at yet, it's unclear when the work will begin. And it's just going to be MiG-29A, the earliest model with lackluster EW capabilities and no PGM's, weak radar... It's not that it's on par with F-16 bl.50 or F/A-18C lot 20 we have. The capability gap is still there. Not whining, even A model is a great lip forward for DCS, and I understand why nothing more modern can be done, but it's not nearly a game changer. Especially given that we have an FC-3 MiG-29A already.

The point of the thread might be that regional adjustment for prices would be a thing. Especially given that lowering prices somewhat might increase the number of copies sold, thus not hurting overall income of the company. But it should have been clearly stated by the OP, if it's that way. In Russia, the mother country of ED, the modules currently cost almost 3 times typical AAA PC game does, and more than an AAA exclusive for the consoles. It's not to say that the cost is unbearable, but it clearly does limit number of potential users and the number of modules that would be purchased by each. While it's of course ED's business to set prices which are most profitable, price differentiation between regions might be a win-win for ED and communicaty.

I know, but I didn't state that it was ED which made it, only that we have Harrier.

Ah, here we go again... It would be nice, but ED has dismissed such aspirations yet. But maybe this time it's going to be different. And yep, Mi-24 and MiG-23 are waaaay too old, they don't address the capability gap between Blue and Red sides. The teen series is still unrivaled except for the JF-17, which is not strictly a Red plane, but rather Green, the neutral, and is used only by Pakistan, at least in any significant numbers.

В итоге все снова скатились в обсуждение того, почему нам не дадут МиГ/Су. Кстати говоря, у RAZBAM уже есть МиГ-19, в разработке МиГ-23... Возможно, нас ждёт после них что-то более современное из СССР/РФ, или из ударников времён Холодной Войны. Но это все оффтоп. Касательно самого AMX интересно, с кем и где он будет воевать. Нет, у нас уже МиГ-15 и F-86 дрались над Грузией, притворяясь, что это Корея, да и JF-17 с Виггеном вне своего реального сеттинга воюют, но все же воссоздать латиноамериканские конфликты окромя Фолклендского, где сей самолет не засветился, нереально. У нас ведь даже латиноамериканские страны как участники конфликта в большинстве своем не прописаны.

One more remark. Su is pronounced as "soo" in Russian, and Tu as "too". I am a Russian myself (да), so trust me. Hover, I can't tell about Western conventions on Russian aircraft name pronunciation.

I don't believe Osprey is likely to be made. It must still be largely sekrit. And hard to implement correctly even if ED had all info necessary. I know that we already have a (buggy) Harrier, but still... It's not something I would bet my money on. Maybe it's Tornado, maybe even F-111, might be century series fighter. Less likely it might be some Cold War era Red strike fighter like Su-17 or MiG-27. Even less likely is my dream of Su-27 or MiG-29 families. Choppers are not as likely as jets due to some wording convenientions in community. All of this is just IMHO, of course.

Dear devs, could you please explain why this thread is in the Wishlist section now? Does it mean the module is cancelled, or is it because the thread has turned into a place where people just express their wishes, or something else? P.s. though it seems to me they wouldn't visit this thread anymore...

Вроде бы у Разбама был в планах Mirage-3. F-4E и F-16A есть для AI. По крайней мере за сирийцев отыграть Ливан можно. Для евреев же придется ждать Мираж и пока разморозят Фантома. Конечно, не очень густо, но по крайней мере в одиночке уже можно играть за современных турок, американцев и евреев, и за сирийцев образца Ливанской. А через пару лет можно будет с Миражем и, надеюсь, Фантомом полноценно разыграть 1982 в мультиплеере за обе стороны. А по современности остаётся только надеяться на анонс хоть одного российского модуля со стеклянной кабиной и управляемым оружием.