Fangs Out

And in the T-33, many Vietnam aces' first flight in a jet aircraft +1

Id also add a request for an AI F-105G , that way you can add another asset to the late 60s earlier to mid 70s scape we sort have going in DCS

Really would want a F-100 as it could make for great campaigns. +1 . Only question is what variant are you trying to get ED to Model, an Early 100D found in the 50s/early 60s. A mid 60s variant, found in the early stages of Vietnam. Or a Late 60s / ANG , either Pre Project Highwire or Post Project Highwire.

Last thing you mentioned Nodak, would be awesome, Especially since for campaigns based on Vietnam and my campaign especially woult benefit from it

Tbh it would be interesting tho.

For our Pre DMAS aircraft, expect Juilet/Papa winders, Aim-7 Echo through foxtrot Sparrows , Shrikes , your standard Mark 80 series of Iron bombs and maybe early guided weaponry such as the Bullpup( Easy to carry the code from the RB05 from the HB viggen) and BOLT-117 (M-117 laser guided bombs) with the potential of Pave Knife , Pave Spike , and other weaponry i probably missed. DMAS, see Vampyre post above, tho id imagine HB would add Mavericks to this jet and leave the pre DMAS aircraft to model a Vietnam era bird . Also a couple of things I missed but definately comming to our Phantom , the TISEO (similar but not the same as the TCS in the F-14) and the most important change to the phantom, AGILE EAGLE (Caps locked it as most reports ive seen refer to it in all caps) Left is pre agile, Right is Post Final remarks is to not expect the AIM-7M or late Aim-9s past L as those were earmarked for Fighter intercept squadrons and F-16 squadrons Thanks FangsOut

Yea, But it can make for some good campaigns, think like the Museum Relic campaign or underdog stories.

Huh, that pretty cool as I didn't know that the F-4E had "smokeless engines" as I originally thought it was a navy phantom only "phing"

Personally, a Fictional VF-111 would be pretty cool on a Long Nose Phantom as Shark mouths IMO look good on the Echo Phantoms

Agreed, Lets leave it at that. While a Modern Phantom would be cool, I'd like to keep my expectations to a 70s and 80s phantom. Tho, a JDAM, AMRAAM and modernized phantom would be cool as an OPFOR aircraft, imagine a potential for a 2000s phantom vs a VIper, eagle or Hornet, and in the Future, a Typhoon .

Also the First flight/ Birthday of the F-4C (27 May of 1963). So , happy birthday to the first Airforce phantom

Yea and the AUP would make for an interesting campaigns, either merc after the HAF sells them , or a fictional Turkish vs Greek campaign

If its popular enough and it will sell. The Mid-late cold war phantoms will most likely sell like hotcakes. The post 2000s may be a different story. Although if it is represented by our phantom module, I would place money on either Terminator ( Turkish Modern Phantom) , Greek F-4E AUP , or the Japanese ( and the most interesting one) F-4EJ Kai. The latter is more interesting as it could use Anti-shipping weapons and was only retired 2 years ago

This^ HB is already going above and beyond by giving us 4 F-4s , all radically different in switchology , performance and employment. As well as focusing on when the Phantom was an actual threat and was king. TLDR, I agree with ManOWar sentiment and believe that making a 2000s phantom is not only making it harder to fit the many scenarios the Echo model could fill , it also is counter intuitive as if you want an AMRAAM carrier the F-16,F-15,and 18.

great post, Makes me real excited to put the finishing touches on a campaign i've been working on the F-4.

agreed, id love to see what you have in the future, its just that this feels like something I would download for free. especially sinsce there's better options for campaigns compared to this at the price point it is at, for instance, OPF is the same price but feels like it is worth every penny. Again, I'm not saying that you can't do great campaigns, I'm just saying that the product is not worth the price in this instance

I take it you mean in a dogfight, as a 20mil or 30mil gun is very useful for anti infantry /light armor

tbh that could be a "fictional" livery, imagine a F-4E in UK service as The FGR.4

I think he means the Sparrow guidance logic to make it as realistic as possible.

While I don't know about that, I do remember hearing from pilots that at cruise RPM it was very smoky, although it was avoidable in afterburner

+1 As its a stepping stone to later and more advance AGMs like the 65. Also as stated by Kirk in the Mavericks thread, the pilot controlled the Mav slew with the old Bullpup Control stick, so it shouldn't be a far fetched proposal for it . my only question, what Bullpup did the F-4E operate

Trying to find out the feasibility of Older guided weapons such as the AGM-12 bullpup , and The BOLT-117 Pictures below are attached for anyone who doesn't know what I am talking about

Just asking , are we allowed to post straight documents to this forums. Because I got a copy of the F-4E Declassified Pilot's flight handbook that i'd love to share with you guys to get ready for the HB F-4

Right, which also give a beautiful duo on RedFor and Blu-For . A F-4J vs F-4E dogfight would be interesting. Also I'm excited for an unique style of sensor management compared to Modern aircraft (Viper and Hornet )

Also J's and S's have the PD radar which are very capable. And The S is pretty cool with its slats and late sparrows and winders