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4080 is definitely faster than 3080 Whether it's better as in value for money it a completely different topic though. I'm seeing 4080 back to stock in many places after last week's 7900 series 'fiasco'. Putting that in brackets, because it's not a bad card, just having some teething(?) problems and following Nvidia steps in bad value for money. And that new stock is appearing to come at more reasonable prices. My hope is that after Christmas holiday period is over, they will start discounting it even more so that I could grab one at more 'reasonable' 1200-1300 Euro. Still insane, but it beats current ~1500. Alternatively, AMD might pull their s~t together and make that driver brakethough giving back 10-15% performance. We'll see.

What's interesting is that the general Radeon cards VR behavior exhibits itself here as well. The frametimes are all over the place, resulting in a very "thick" line. That also adds to the stutters.

Looking at the comments on YT, everyone and his dog are now asking for VR tests. People must be thinking that you guys now have a bunch of hardware lying idly around

VR Tests using plasma's map benchmark DCS 2.8.0.33006 Average FPS: 42 Average CPU FT: 12.6 Average GPU FT: 23.2 DCS 2.8.1.34437 Average FPS: 38 Average CPU FT: 14.9 Average GPU FT: 25.2 Frametimes - lower is better. So 2.8.1 seems worse in terms of performance. There can be other variables at play since I got Win11 H2 update and newer nVidia drivers, but the issue with GeForce cards on Win11 has been fixed.

Really good effort, thanks guys! I think those benchmarks you did are really valuable as it's one of those rare occasions that allow us to compare more or less apples-to-apples. The results are interesting indeed. I'd say both cards are pretty close overall. Perhaps 7900 XTX works slightly better with CPU thus the better frame rate when flying over the river which is quite action packed. VR will not be possible to test it seems. I'd care a guess based on prior experience that 4080 will give somewhat more consistent frame times, but it's hard to tell for sure. To me then both cards seem to be a decent option ignoring the price I will probably go for the one I can get based on the availability / price (discounts) and board design in terms of cooling and noise.

Thanks @Th3ChosenOn3 for the benchmark. Really good stuff. @xoxen looking forward to your run with 4080. That might be the final validation I need to choose for one or another card I would expect them to be quite close though.

Good to know! I'm sitting on Corsair 650W and having read the reviews thought that it might be just enough. Still, decided to upgrade to 850W to make it a bit more future proof. I have multiple PCs anyway and it's good to have a PSU in reserve

I'd expect some improvement. But I feel that you might be getting CPU-bound indeed. To make this a bit more fair as someone else mentioned, do another benchmarking run on an empty map. That will give you another validation point, on how much you gain purely in terms of graphics performance. On the same settings, you will gain some FPS, probably not by a huge margin. I'd guesstimate around <=30%. However, your new card will allow you to max out graphics settings while keeping the same framerate. More eyecandy, yay

Try this one: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/915347310567915541/1036740701196664875/plazma_torture_map_2022_flanker.miz It was used in at least one Youtube video which was benchmarking 4090 and I've been using it as well for CPU benchmarks. It's pretty well done - short, but packed with action. Requires FC3 or Flanker. P.S. Link to original benchmark by map's author.

Well, there you go. Your CPU is a limiting factor by a rather big margin. At least in CPU-heavy scenario, which DCS:Liberation is. Now I guess we need to come back on topic

With a high likelihood it does. Moving from 7700K to 5800X has raised FPS from 65 -> 80 in 2D scenario I've been benchmarking. And from 5800X to 5800 X3D has improved CPU frame time from ~14.8 to 12.6 (- 15%). That is on the same graphics card 2070S. But the best thing for you would be to get an FPSVR for Stream VR or OpenXR Toolkit if you use Open XR and see where your frametime bottleneck is.

Ouch.. Wonder if the next release of the drivers will do it any good...

Please do share your findings. For me, the biggest question between 7900 XTX and 4080 is now how it's going to perform in DCS / MSFS VR. While we might get some 'big boys' to test in MSFS, for DCS performance it's impossible to rely on anymore, but fellow community members

Having checked each and every possible review of 7900 XTX I must say I'm really on the fence right now. The upgrade from 2070S was long time due, but in 2020 and 2021 I didn't want to pay scalper prices for 3080 and 6800XT. Well, guess what, in 2022 you pay MSRP+ which is somewhere around the scalper prices back in the crypto days. Now between 4080 and 7900 XTX it's a difficult choice. AMD reference card design is not the best one. I hate coil while and the memory junction temperatures are on a high side. On the other hand, I can already imagine non-reference designs (when they come) will probably ask a premium over the reference. Out here in Europe, you can find 4080 for around 1500 Eur. If 7900 XTX non-ref will be approaching 1350-1400 that will be a much less compelling argument. Performance wise it's a hit and miss with XTX vs 4080 it seems in pure raster. On average Radeon is somewhat faster, but not much. And you can give team red some credit for lousy drivers upon release. Add the fact that nVidia has been traditionally somewhat better in VR in terms of frame times. My use case is mainly DCS and MSFS which occasional other 'AAA' titles that may or may not work with ray tracing. So RT is not really something of a major importance, but of course it's better to have it then not. So while 7900 XTX looks kinda favourable, price-performance wise, it will all largely depend upon the asking price for the non-reference models. P.S. I'd buy a 4090 in a blink of an eye if it was available in Europe for the advertised equivalent of $1600. But since we land in the land of socialism with crazy high VAT, at Eur 2200+ that is not really an option

Возможно увидим это в контексте ДК. А пока да, скрипты наше всё Sorry, Mizzy. I had no intent to belittle the work of housewives. But it's quite common saying in russian language which means in this context that there are no simple solution that makes your work a bit easier.

Нет. Это ограничение игры.

Это лучше всего сделать либо установкой задачи Search and Engage in Zone, или же через триггеры - там много разных вариантов есть. Я делал что боты просто кружат вдоль границы с "return fire", пока зону рядом с границей не пересекут ЛА другой стороны. Если кто-то пересекает, то делаешь триггер с ROI Weapons Free и меняешь задачу если надо. Но простых решений для "домохозяек" нет

Когда ты проходишь 6 миль, у тебя вдобавок к кресту курса и глиссады на HUD должен появляется так же кружок наведения ACLS. При этом режим должен сменится на MODE1. См картинку ниже, выделено красным. Если этого не происходит - то автопилот не подцепится нормально. З.Ы. Сейчас обратил внимание что у тебя в радиоменю "10 миль наблюдаю." Это значит что авианосец работает по Case 1 - визуальная посадка. В этом случае ACLS не рабоатет. Попробуй ночью или в плохих погодных условиях - низкая облачность ниже 2000 футов, видимость меньше 5 миль (примерно).

В этом я очень сильно сомневаюсь, так как создателю надо будет по сути переделывать кампанию под новую карту. А это не быстрый процесс.

Это режим, который может быть полезен реальным летунам, особенно в комбинации с AIM-9X и тем, кто пользуется VR. В этом режиме у тебя ГСН ракеты смотрит не по центру взгляда, а условно "выше". Это нужно для того, что бы в БВБ на перегрузках не приходилось сильно задирать голову. Иными словами, если ты в БВБ с выбранным AIM-9X, ты можешь включить этот режим и выбрать "Uncage". При этом ГСН будет смотреть "выше" относительно оси взгляда и может захватить и далее сопровождать цель. Я знаю, объяснение несколько спутанное, но надеюсь суть понятна

Interesting, so we get a merge of Channel Map into Normandy and also extension or Normandy. Not bad, that makes full sense to do. Pricing policy seems reasonable as well. Good.

Made it on the second attempt. I think the script breaks if you're located in SA-3 engagement zone when ?the tasking is given?. This time I was further away from it (no spikes) so it went quite well

Same. Having killed SA-3 there is a prompt to order Betsy to attack, however there is no F10 menu present. Mission is stuck at that point. Before that there were two messages with two different grid coordinates in rapid succession which caused quite a bit of confusion, so it's likely some trigger is messed up. Betsy was still flying by my wing.

Been discussed a lot, but I have a track here with reasonably fast start and Cat 2 departure. Tried both times this config, same result - flying to space Edit: got it working. The key thing is to expedite - and I mean really expedite. Start APU and engines immediately and do the stored heading alignment. We're on Alert 7, so this is more or less realistic this time. Once you have 0,5 OK on alignment taxi out to CAT 2 and depart ASAP. I did this mission 6 times and speed off the boat was the only thing that mattered to me. F18 Rvn2 M5 Bug.trk

Mission 10 Part 2 seems to be a bit broken. Lead doesn't want to fly directly to WP4 - he's making a constant turns left-right. Eventually he gets there, but a lot of time is wasted. After hitting primary and secondary he flies to the spawn point and starts flying around. If you end up near Arkotiri you get a landing prompt. Upon landing, mission ends. Go figure. I've got a track, but it's 70mb large