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Obviously not, the -21 is a 3rd gen fighter. It can just start to see enemies on radar when they can already be releasing missiles. It's not even a fight.

We all obviously know that basically every aircraft created since the MiG-21 is better. It's have to be stupid to believe the MiG-21 is better than the F-15. We know the differences, and it's not even a contest. However The aircraft is only as good as the pilot inside it, meaning that the pilot has toe play on the advantages of the aircraft, which is why the MiG stays low, strikes, and gets out. Especially seeing how the test squadrons at Nellis had this information to say about the MiG should be enough proof that this is enough of a strength to be able to play on. You fight your own fight in the MiG, not anyone else's. You can keep flaunting these different kills from poorly trained pilots in foreign countries that nobody's ever heard of, but the fact of the matter is that nobody flying these sims are highly trained my the U.S. military, and the fact that we don't even have an F-15 model that's remotely high fidelity.

haha sorry, I was doing a quick flight. Going to the gym now, then to get instrument re-current so I can fly IFR with my students again. Video is live, feel free to grab a bag of popcorn and laugh at my incompetence EDIT: Also found a document basically saying that if an F-15 gets in a turning fight with a MiG-21 then the F-15 is toast. Was one of the US studies too with a captured MiG-21

Just got out of a pretty good dogfight with a 104th member in a SU-27. I should have EASILY won the dogfight, but I was dead-set on trying the R-60M out... Had a good shooting solution, but had the switch in SARH still, and as I flipped it he saw me. About 30s later I had a bad shot but took it anyway, and the missile went stupid right off the rail. Decided my last one wasn't going to hit anything and dropped it in order to be more agile and get a good guns solution. By this time the SU-27 had turned and burned, and I decided to pick up a little speed as well for the next merge. At this point, he shot 2 R-73s at me to which I rolled flared and evaded both. Right as we merge again he rudders over and gets what couldn't be more than 3 rounds into my nosecone causing my engine to quit. Moral of the story- Guns beat everything. I have it recorded if you guys want me to post it. It's kinda like flopping fishbed pt. 2 because I lost sight of him a few times only to find out he was hiding behind a canopy bar or something. It's easier to see a Skyhawk in real life than it is to see these aircraft in-game. EDIT: Flopping Fishbed 2: Return of the facepalm will be live here in a few short minutes.

Again, my disclaimers were left out: 1. Level flight 2. Aerodynamics below transonic flight But yes, this thread has run its course.

Camber and weight are two separate things. I don't want anyone confused with improper terminology, especially when that improper term has been used (incorrectly) in this discussion before. What's your point, exactly? Taken from your same article, "zero angle of attack corresponds to zero coefficient of lift." " A symmetrical wing has zero lift at 0 degrees angle of attack." The wing will still product lift at those negative AOAs in an asymmetrical cambered wing, but as mentioned before, it's not enough to keep it in the air. The wing actually still produces lift during a stall, however it's not sufficient to keep the aircraft aloft. This is the exact reason a spin occurs, because one wing is producing slightly more lift than the other. Anyway, this discussion has got extremely off-topic. As mentioned before, if the flight model is representative of the real aircraft (as Dolphin said it was), then it is, and that's that. If you'd like to discuss AOA or anything else related to flight, please shoot me a PM.

This is true, and again, I do not fully understand the instrument error of an AOA vane during transonic flight. One reason it vary well could be a normal indication. For our purposes of discussion this is not relevant, as a matter of fact, the situation you described hurts your case.

Again, AOA is the angle between the chord line and the relative wind. The only way weight effects the AOA is, with all things equal, weight is changed. Let's not confuse the conversation with weight, as it's an entirely different variable that is not immediately important to our purposes. I 100% know the aerodynamics of aircraft under Mach 1 inside and out, it's my job to know it. I understand the point that you're trying to make, but the Skyhawk absolutely does not stay aloft with an AOA of 0. Wings need a positive AOA to stay aloft, there's no way around it. Every wing needs positive AOA. It's not extremely difficult to understand, but again, leave mass out of it all, it's not relevant to this discussion. Fluid dynamics for flight is really about Bernoulli's Principle and Newton's 3rd law, both easy topics to understand. The wing would be a combination of both, the fuselage would be described with Newton's 3rd law, etc.

I was adding emphasis to what you said for others to see, I understand your view :)

Yes, I understand what a deflection shot is, and at that point you're basically just looking to hit someone with a rocket. If you decide to test this, report back with your findings. We're just saying that your chance of kill is impossibly low.

Yes, because the seeker head wouldn't be tracking him coming off the rail

That situation wouldn't work though because he would transition through the seeker head too fast, or wouldn't enter the seeker head's FOV at all.

But why would you rifle off 2-6 IR missiles with a Pk of abut 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000.000? That's worse than noobs rifling 6 AIM-120s at 15nm EDIT: had to add more 0s

The AIM-120 has the targeting data linked to the missile until it's internal sensor goes active. If the missile isn't seeking anything, then it will just fly straight, it's just what it does. Even if your theory were to be correct it would have to be in a very, very small FOV and even then it wouldn't ever hit because it would pull insane G to get back on target and run out of energy, and that doesn't even matter because the enemy aircraft would have long been out of its FOV. These are just reasons I can come up with off the top of my head. It just doesn't work. +1 for the wording

At 55 seconds into your video you get launched at, , which you beam it first, however then you split-S, followed by a hard 90* turn , then another 90* turn. You could have easily beamed, then claff with a 180* turn away from the missile and keep all the potential energy of the higher altitude.

http://www.worldaffairsboard.com/attachments/military-aviation/22669d1287389321-fighter-performance-actual-plane-analysis-making-best-mig-21.pdf

Real fighter pilots start in an aircraft that has only 490 less HP than the P-51 had (T-6), the C172 is NOT used in training.

Weight above the wing doesn't effect where the front of the leading edge is, thus has no effect on the AOA (angle between the chord line, which is an imaginary line connecting the furthest aft part of the trailing edge with the furthest forward part of the leading edge, and the relative wind). Symmetrical wing purely refers to the shape of the wing. AOA that we're discussing has no use when flying. 0. Cg and Cl are different, and with aircraft that have a tail (all except aircraft with big canards like the Eurofighter) the Cg simply needs to be in front of the Cl.

Use [/ youtube] tags and only put in whats after the v= in the url to embed video. As far as the gameplay goes, you shoot an awful lot of missiles that have a very low probability to kill. An AMRAAM being fired at 17nm can be defeated if the other guy accidentally moves his joystick. I usually don't fire until I'm within 12nm, preferably 8-9, and even then it's not crazy hard to defeat. You don't need to maneuver between shots like you do either, it just bleeds off your energy. If you're not getting shot at, no need to yank and bank. Pull out of burner and you won't have as many fuel issues. When evading an incoming missile, you don't need to immediately split S and turn circles low level, just beam the enemy (put him off your wingtip), try to see the missile, and if you can't find it in a few seconds then roll 90* away from the missile, pop chaff, and pull into a 180* turn. Everything else just kills your energy and actually doesn't bleed off as much of the missile's energy as beaming it because the missile doesn't need to travel as far. All in all, keep working at it and have fun. Don't take any of my comments as being mean, just trying to help you out. 1 missile saved is one you can use on the unexpected enemy when trying to go home.

AOA should increase with altitude (barring all other factors equal) because your airframe is requiring a higher AOA in order to generate the same amount of lift because the air molecules are less dense, which is why if you try to fly the MiG-21 at 50,000ft you're at an insane AOA. From how I think about it, AOA should be the same for the same config and same speed at any altitude because that same less dense air is effecting the pitot system as well, which is the same reason you fly the same IAS when on approach to land at high altitudes in GA aircraft. This goes back to the debate on whether it's a symmetrical wing or not. A negative AOA on a symmetrical wing will cause you to go down. Until we have definitive proof of the wing type, we cannot accurately assess the question.

I have the missile selector mapped to my HOTAS which didn't stop working while I was using it, pylon power was on and everything. Maybe it was outside of launch parameters with the closure rate or something. Again, evaded 3 AIM-120s only to get another launched at me from about 6 miles at the very furthest, just didn't have any moves left to make... I mean really, who launches an AMRAAM well WVR? At least use a sparrow or something.

R.I.P. MiG-21

They Gypsies of VFA-32 were over here a few months ago for some training in Kansas, cool guys

Would love to hear stories and talk to you sometime, my OCS app for SNA is in and awaiting selection, so I would like to know how I could make life better everyone when I'm in and a part of a squadron.