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Tha ka-50 can carry the Igla-V, but we won't get it in BS, why? The heck I know.

*Burns off some 'oregano' and all the hair from his hands in the process* Oh wait, that really did happen, unlike the F-22 flying in South Korea or Australia. WTH are those countries thinking, do they need to invade some other nations? Well, if not, then buy something more sensible. It's like saying that someone can't have nukes because you yourself have used them twice after a country surrendered, ie hypocracy to the max. But the same could apply to not selling the F-22. Or they can wait for the Russkie fifth gen jet, if it won't be available for export, it will appear in China after a year and a half.

Meint mod the pjoty velikiy back into lomac, and you have a severely underpowered, badly moddles S-125 that can't hit shit at 6km from the ship. Yaay, fun indeed :/ If you're lazy install some mod by Alfa.

Yet size does matter, same applies for the damn garage too.

And it was known since it was designed, hence the SR-71, that served for a long time, and now the Aurora and maybe some new hypersonic project.

Dammit LM, still waiting here, when will the ejection seat comes, I want it assembled and wrapped in clear foil, so I can drool all over it. What is the clearance for an F-22 assembly rig? I'm worried about the bicycle pump might get in the way, please advise on what to do, and if it will be in compliance with the ISO 1337 standard?

Lowlands rules ;) I pass my time studying while not stoned, maybe a half an hour of lomac when I'm able to fly. Bilatteral meanings rule :P

Sure, I too have made preparations for F-22 assembly in my garage, cleaned the mess up, teh lawnmower is in the corner, now the full scale F-22 productio can start over at my place. LM, I await your response, and the parts delivery schedule shortly...

My point, there is much to know about the control systems, from there on you can guess the real weight and drag performance, for example the R-77s actuators are less than a mm in profile, yet everyone says they will create too much drag. So when all those 'assumptions' are out of the way we can have realistic Soviet missiles. Now only some real drag/performance specs on the aim-9 and aim-120, and ED is set for WAFM by December 11 2012 ;) [theee end of teh world, aliens landing, ED releasing LOMAC-2 with AFM su-27/33 su-25TM F-15C F-16A/C A-10A and the Ka-50 and Ah-64D, gotta be a cool day]

Give that damn link to ED for future WAFM plans, so they at least know how much the actuators of the R-77 and R-73 travel and how fast, how much force they can handle. My notion of WAFM includes control surface moddeling too :P Oh, the beauty of desperate design bureaus giving away potential performance specs on the missiles, I love that. There's the Khrizantema and several bore launched missile's actuators too. http://www.luch.kiev.ua/english/guide.htm

He has an oxygen mask :P (not that it would work without external power, but he had one). Sanded modelling kit plastic smalls terrible (and has this toxic flavour to it), can't imagine the pilot not throwing up. But yeah, with everything on that thing starting from the value of an average car, they better cut it open than jettisoning the thing. Guess the pilot was worried about his career as well in those six hours. At lease we won't have those 'yeah, the F-16, errm 22 canopy is 3 inches thick' kind of threads. See that cute ACESII+ soft pack, that is so cool. I love soft packed chutes, makes it look friendly, and not as cold as the later Mb models and the K-36.

Ooh, don't mention anything bad about the F-22, it's the same like saying the F-16 will not own all on f-16.net... Grow up, in that department at least.

The first upgrade of the original R-73 was the RMD-1 upgrade, which increased its aerodynamic range by 10km to 30km. Then came the RMD-2. The K-74 has an aerodynamic range of 40 km and a 90 degree off bore lock angle and a 120 degree off bore tracking angle (seeker gimball limit, but target designation is at 90 deg). It's the most advanced of the R-73 family, and is made for export, with a new FPA seeker, more efficient TVC paddles (3% ultimate thrust loss, instead of 5% for the older ones) and a new nose section for the extended seeker gimbal limit. Don't remember when this K-74 was ready for export, but it was something like 1999 with flight testing completed back in 1994, while the R-73RMD2 entered RuAF service in 1994 (probably in limited numbers). Those are different modifications of the R-73, the RMD2 has a 60 degree designation angle and a 75 degree off bore tracking limit. Its aerodynamic range is the same as that of the K-74ME (export),: 40 km. Slightly confusing, as western missiles can designate as far off bore as they can track, the R-73 relies on the radar and EOS for target designation coordinates for the 'normal' firing modes. If we have the 'vanilla' R-73, then its ultimate range should be something like the 20km mentioned, if the RMD-1 version is moddled, then the range should be 30 km. The other two mods have bigger designation angles, so they're definately not moddled in lomac. BTW, found some info in English on the control elements of the R-77 and R-73, just look at the corresponding diameters, 170mm for the R-73 and 200 for the R-77 :), from the makers themselves, so it has some credability :P R-77, most left, Ukrainian designed self defense missile (R-73 replacement, made in 2006) second them the left, R-73 control section is the 4th from the left. http://www.luch.kiev.ua/english/main.htm MAKE ED LOOK AT THEM for future projects, so all this whining and moaning can be put aside.

Ofcourse its drag index is favorable, and sure, a 200 grams model rockets drag index is much more favorable than of an ICBM, but those are totally different classes of rocket propelled controlled projectiles. Here's a Russian site (that changes the text from Cyrillic to Latin for no apparent reason :/) http://www.airwar.ru/weapon/avv/aim9.html, it states that the Aim-9M Mk.36 mod 9 rocket motor provides total thrust of 3700 kg/s This site here has a launch table for the oldest R-73 (with the 45 deg designation angle and 75 degree off bore seeker angle) http://airbase.ru/hangar/russia/weapon/aam/r/73/ The conditions: No regard to seeker head limitations. Carrier speed 900 km/h, target speed 700 km/h, straight flight, no manoeuvering from either. Range data for various altitudes (10000, 5000, 1000 m) and headings (Front hemisphere 0/4 1/4 2/4 3/4, sideways 4/4, rear hemisphere 0/4 1/4 2/4 3/4) FHS=Front hemisphere, RHS=rear hemisphere +----------------------------------------------------------+ | | | FHS |side|RHS | | | |-------------------| |-------------------| |Missile|Height|0/4 |1/4 |2/4 |3/4 |4/4 |0/4 |1/4 |2/4 |3/4 | |----------------------------------------------------------| |Р-73 | 10000|17.5|16 |15 |13 |12 | 8.5| 9 | 9 |10 | |----------------------------------------------------------| |Р-73 | 5000|13 |12.5|11.5| 9 | 8 | 6 | 6 | 6.5| 7.5| |----------------------------------------------------------| |Р-73 | 1000| 9 | 8.5| 7.5| 6.5| 5.5| 4 | 4 | 4.2| 4.8| +----------------------------------------------------------+ // Источник таблицы - Valeri_ (<- table source: Valeri_) Guess it's safe to conclude the R-73 is not draggy ;) So, at 1000M from sea level, travelling at 900 kph, head on, the target at 700 kph, the missile should fly 9km (with that ACMI program), and it should cover 4 km before hitting a target in pursuit. Now, let the testing begin.

Use common sense to determine which has the biggest range, the aim-9M has big draggy control surfaces and a small rocket, the R-73 has a 7700N of rocket thrust (Russian site) and a longer burn time. And the control surfaces are 2x, maybe 3x sleeker and smaller. Why this whining, because the aim-9 in falcon has Star Wars performance? If you look at the various videos of live fire trainings, please show me one instance in which the aim-9 is fired from beyond 5km to the target.

10 silly slaps are appropriate :P

makes me really want to visit maks 2007, but then again, if you all take your HD camcorders :music_whistling: And take pictures of those damn ejection and crash atenuation seats!!! I command thee :P

It's not fake, they're just crazy, but then again, the Russ aerobatics team does the same in a L-39, which has crappy ejection seats. The Su-30s engines are however lower, and the thing is twice of not 3 times the size of a L-39, sooo... They're crazy and we love it. Remember to think in Russian next time you fly your LOPEd su-30 with aim-54s, it will increase your missile's pk.

I heard an 'above average' pilot could stand 14G for 2 minutes. We need the Mirage-2000, that thing can pull 11 G with a nazi G-limiter. The Su-35 was certified at 10G for combat. They Ef-2000 also got something with increased G-loads, I know it supports a fluid filled G-suit, I forgot if the plane itself will allow to go over 9G. Then we have the piston driven aerobatic planes that handle 12G without increased airframe stress (and the pilots don't wear G suits either). What is the G limit for commercial airliners? I remember something like 3.5G, is it a FAA/JAA mandated number, or is it the minimum 'safe zone' for error correction when the pilot slightly messes up the flying?

Yes, there were many F-15Es, F-22s and F-302 space plane fighters back then. BTW, a Spitfire might take the climb record of a Sopwith Camel too.

lockon.ru But ofcourse, even the recommended requirements don't say squat in lomac's case ;) I updated my mobo bios, and, I lost an activation, but also got smoother frames and no 'critital memory errors' (A quick successive double beep with the AMI bios). Also, I haven't experienced random hard locks where everything freezes up (nothing in log files). So, wasting that activation was worth it :) Now I can enjoy the su-25T without choppy frames. Asus A8V, 226 firmware/bios/pickanameforthathardwaredriver Athlon 3700+ @ 2.35 Ghz 2 Gb Ddr @ 430 Mhz Ati Radeon 9800XT And, finally, smooth lomac performance with no hard locks or memory leaks. Man, this all is too good to be true, gotta test this thoroughly first. Sorry for allahu akbarring the thread, just wanted to say that mobo drivers and good bios can be the difference between an unplayable pos sim and fps smooth as silk.

It also can go *boom*

I tried it over 1.12a, no problems thus far, finally got rid of those 'fps tweaks' and now the fps counter is in the lower 40ies and I can see roads again :) fps tweak my behind, I get better performance at default settings. Gosh, I love the feeling of installing something new (even though it's not), It did install some SF-ralated crap, so guess my burner is on the fritz again. But heck, I don't whine, a patch is a patch :P

Should 1.12a users that run it on XP, without TrackIR upgrade to 1.12b?

See, that's why I hate the Internet, the first days after the incident all Russian news agencies said iy was the pilot :( Now I don't care who that person was, it doesn't make it any difference, but the misinformation/conflicting reports are lame.