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I don't know really. It mostly comes down to the pilot and the question if they manage to model ground interference properly, if they do, i don't think the AIM 54 will present a lot of issues in the Georgia map, where most of the action takes place in the mountains anyways. likewise, i don't know how well the AIM 54 does against maneuvering targets, especially when i heard that during the Iran-Iraq war, the F1's needed to spot the missile as the RWR did not detect it. So i don't think it will be giving problems on Georgia, although NTTR and Hormuz it can give quite a few problems.

thank you for the clarification. That being said, i think it would be good to include the Super 530 on the EE, even though only a small percentage of them carried it IRL, since it will allow the plane to be proxied for other F1 users, which is not a bad thing for mission builders and scenario's.

From the Top of my head, somewhere in the mid 70's.

To be honest, i hope they add the 530F, mostly since it allows it to be used as a proxy for other users, which isn't a bad thing for scenario's.

IIRC it has no integrated countermeasure suite, so you must take the pods, but you can still take an oversized center drop tank though

First up, the myth of paying Cash. No government pays in cash they have hanging around. Sure, there might be a post in the budget that says "MMRCA tender, 9BN, but the chances of that money sitting anywhere on a bank account are close to nil, due to the way government finance works, which covers day to day expenses with short term bonds, which in turn get paid off when tax income comes in. So India is technically correct by stating they are buying out of the pocket. the price has been put into their budgets, and payment is planned beforehand, thus meaning there will not be a a seperate loan as is the case with Egypt. It simply means that the money needed will by raised by issuing bonds. Likewise, i don't think the problems are with India raising the cash, but rather with but that they are stuck on the details of payment rather then the cash itself. The Indian Rupee isn't exactly a stable currency, which means that given the sum of money, any change in the exchange rate can lead to sudden, unexpected cost increases. The French will seek to get a payment in Euro's or USD, with the Indians paying any increase as the result of fluctuating currency changes. etc etc etc. likwise, do not underestimate the legal framework, which in this kind of case will be considerably longer then the agreement itself. i have seen deals where the Deal itself was a single page, but the legal stuff took in excess of 400 pages. And that, mind you, was for a simple deal on civilian stuff, for Defence stuff i'd reckon that its a whole lot more and considerably more detailed. On the subject of the PAKFA, things aren't running as smoothly either, with the Russians having significantly scaled back their order (58 to 12), continued problems with cooperation, and expected delays means that the IAF isn't really happy the way things are going right now. Likewise, recent experience with Russian equipment is less then stellar when you realize that about 2/3rds of the MKi fleet is grounded at any given time. As for the timetable, under the current agreement, all frames would be delivered in the next 2 years. Given that the avionics and the pilots are used to flying French Mirages, Training will be relatively short and painless. the PAKFA isn't slated to be fully in service until 2025 IIRC

compared to how Indian defense procurement usually goes, which is, deals drag on for decades, if they get made at all. if anything, procurement in India is a matter of patience, more so then doing business in Japan or China. secondly, price negotiation is the most important part of the whole deal, if you don't do it properly it can seriously ruin your day.

eh, credit terms are nothing special for these kinds of deals, to be honest, speaking from experience, chances are the Credit terms are longer then the actual agreement by a fair margin. we are still talking a deal worth some odd 4Bn. so, not having provisions for exchange rates, inflation and stuff, it will run extra costs into the millions if you aren't being careful. as for being unsure, the political posturing doesn't indicate so, nor does the ministry of Defence itself. secondly, the Navy tender is in its earliest stages, and the INdian navy has never operated any french aircraft before, thus not making it an autobuy.

not exactly. although a lot of Rafale haters think so, its far from the truth. The problem wasn't the MMRCA itself, Dassault won it with a very nice jet, combined with the fact that the IAF is in love with their Mirage 2000's, mostly due to the French being reliable suppliers of parts, and unlike the MKi and Mig 29's is very much free of maintenance problems. The problem with the French arrived when the exact details were negotiated. Under the MMRCA tender, the requirement was that the initial batch was to be produced in France, while HAL would get a ToT and be charged with production in licence, which in this case, would be 108 frames (IIRC). Now the problem was that Dassault was not convinced that HAL had the required standards of manufacture, while HAL insisted that Dassault would be liable for any production errors in HAL build airframes. This was then complicated by the Indians demanding that Dassault would not manage the production line under HAL. Understandably, this left the French a bit in a bind, as at the Time, India was the only serious buyer. On the other hand, the IAF has a shortage of aircraft, and could not afford another endless cycle of negotiation and deals that were stuck in Limbo. The Modi Government, did the right thing, terminated the MMRCA tender, and instead went with a 36 frame buy as a measure to stop the worst shortages. However, it seems that in the future, the Indians will consider to still buy the full 108 frames still, but rather in a single bloc buy, opts to spread it out over a longer period of time. Its even more interesting as France is offering the Rafale M as well, which, if they pick it, brings down costs significantly.

doubtful, given that the AdA is slated to operate the Rafale till the 2040's. and even then, French paranoia will prolly prevent anything meaningful coming to the public..

Pretty ballsy to state that its ready for world wide deployment when the DoD has produced a surprising number of paper on that it isn't [ame]http://www.pogoarchives.org/straus/2015-9-1-DoD-FOIA-ocr.pdf[/ame]

Well, Super 530F's and R550's are a given, likewise, since this is the spanish version, im guessing it will come with sidewinders as well. Now for A2G munitions, i only know that the Iraqi's used on the EQ, which might differ from the EE, but that one had the following - Excocet - Beluga clusterbombs - dumb bombs. in addition, it has access to podded Jammers and Flare dispensers.

Sounds fun, I hope having a Dutch accent isn't a problem

Cheap is a very relative thing though. I could argue that US offerings of the same timeframe were cheaper then the Soviet fighters offered for export. longer airframe life, longer engine life, (thus lower costs per flight hour) can easily offset initial price differences.

My guess is that its off by quite a bit. Dassault, allegedly, stated that the Rafale's RCS was 1/10th of that of the Mirage 2000. Assuming this is true, and the figure is correct, the Mirage 2000 has a RCS in the vicinity of a 4 engined strategic bomber.

Rafale D did exists, but only on paper.... The French, in the 90's toyed with the idea of a stealth version of the Rafale, called the Dimutif, or Rafale D.

i don't think thats a big issue, yes, the FM will change, and with it, the way you need to fly it. However, i stick to what i know from the bird IRL, which is staying fast, plenty of rolling, and the ability to troll F16's at below 150 knots due to the Vipers FBW locking up.

the reason why the amount of users in NATO is so limited is due to the fact that the Mirage 2000 was put up for sale after the fighter competition in the 70's which made the F-16 become the mainline fighter of Norway, Belgium, Denmark and the Netherlands, where the French submitted a heavily upgraded F1 as a competitor of the F16. It was after losing this bid, Dassault began the designing of the Mirage 2000, which rolled out in 1984. The only successful sale in Europe is to Greece, which bought it as a replacement of their Mirage F1's. and yes, the FM is still being worked on, Cpt Smiley confirmed that already.

Tornado ADV would be something i'd want to see. Likewise, i'd like to see the Italian F-104

IIRC Smiley is the FM coder, not the guy that does the systems

I might be able to make it, depends on if i have important stuff the next day.

is the Mirage patched seperately for 1.5 and 2.0?

Hormuz would be pretty interesting actually as it would offer a lot of interesting missions to make for single and multiplayer

I flew it against a F15C without 120's (so AIM 9 and 7 of comperable dates). at which point its very evenly matched IMHO. the F15 has the advantage on range, but the Mirage is very capable of bringing the pain in a close in knife fight...

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