Gary

Ok...so the ATC improvements didn't make it. Shame but if it wasn't ready it wasn't ready. 2 quick questions. Will the ATC have to wait until 1.2.6 or is it close enough to being good that we MIGHT get it in an interim update? Can you give us some idea of what the improvements consist of? I'm really looking forward to this and it occurs to me that if its just improvements to the current system I could be sorely dissapointed when it does come out. Alternatively if it includes fixes and new features then i can stay excited... Kind Regards, Gary

P*funk, Obviously an intelligent guy. And yes I do understand. My only observation is that ATC improvements have previously been stated and then in the latest update seem to vanish. I'd much rather someone of some authority came online and simply said - we dont know if it will make next update - then that would be fine. ~~at least we all know its at risk or not. All i asked is for some more information..not for someone to say its all subject to change or just tell him its out with a silly smiley face... If its in then great. If its out then great - cause it obviously needs more work and if its not been decided - then great. just dont like being told something is coming - then omitted from the update and nothing but smart arsed answers... seems pretty reasonable to me!

P*Funk, I really really do appreciate what you are saying. And i do understand that for exactly the reasons you state "everything is subject to change" is often quoted. i have no issue with what is or is not included in 1.2.5 (well i obviously do want the ATC stuff but if it aint ready it aint ready) All I wanted was some idea if it is or is not likely to be included. Apart from a couple of informative replies (about testing process etc) all i really got was two smart arsed answers from those who should know better and a whole bunch of when its ready crap. Think I tried to come across as someone who understood the complexities and that things change. Jaded perhaps??? Kind regards, Gary

Viper, Nate, Again thank you for the explaination. I do appreciate that you only have licence to answer some questions and not to divulge details. My question originally was exactly the same as last time news of 1.2.5 omitted any mention of ATC improvements and as a result of the question of it being not mentioned Wags came onto the forum to say yes it is still included. Same question seeking clarification seemed reasonable in those circumstances. Thank you for the explaination of the release testing process - thinking about it i suppose having various candidates is obvious. To be totally honest I'm not particulary convinced of the answers i have been given so far (but do understand why) Given the logic of the answers so far seems to me a change log would never be published ahead of release - just in case something mentioned within it was broken in the final release candidate. Its obviously not just the ATc feature that could be a problem? (unless of course you already know it is) Not a flame guys i promise. You probably know i have been here a long time. Just a little frustrated as this feature is THE one that i have a personal wish for. (so fingers crossed it does make it) Thanks for all your time. Kind regards, Gary

Viper, Thanks for the reply - It is appreciated. With the utmost respect I find your answer very hard to understand. 1.2.5 is either in release testing with or without the ATC improvements? Of course I understand the complex nature of what you are doing and yes, everything is subject to change. However, the release candidate either still includes it or not surely? Regards, Gary

ATC in or out? Firstly thanks for the heads up with comments like "its ready when its ready" and "everything is subject to change" etc etc etc. Most enlightening. (I have actually been on here a very long time but thanks) Let me be a little clearer with my question. I simply want to know if the ATC improvements are still in or now out of 1.2.5 (I would love more info on what the improvements are of course but hey one thing at a time) I'm NOT bitching about it being dropped. (we don't know if it actually has been yet) A very simple yes or no from someone who knows would be great. Kind Regards, Gary

Sorry to say - but yes you are wrong... Not posted the whole message but this is Wags update at the end of june. Next Stop... DCS Version 1.2.5 After the release of DCS version 1.2.4, we released multiple updates using our automatic updater. We are now moving towards the next major update, version 1.2.5. Our primary focus will be on improving game performance, addressing game play issues, and setting the stage for further modules. Key features planned for version 1.2.5 include: DCS World Improvements to the ATC system. New Tu-22M3 model. Images attached. Further improvements to game stability. Correcting module installation issues. Resource manager: Corrected logistic links. Resource manager: The value, speed and periodicity have been adjusted. Default supply speed is now 60 km/h. Anti-radiation missiles: Added proximity fuses and adjusted accuracy. Visual detection of a target for AI units will now also be a function of time. The time of detection depends on target distance, aspect angle, and the presence of already detected targets nearby. When a target is no longer visible, the AI aircraft will use the target’s last known position and velocity to search for it. Added "STOP TRANSMISSION" trigger action. AI behavior option "DISPERCE UNDER FIRE" now has new parameter - dispersion delay. Added new AI behavior option - "RTB ON OUT OF AMMO". Added more tooltips to the Mission Editor. Message filter for Lock On aircraft: RShift+\. Added several new constants (AI) and functions (trigger, Controller) in the Simulator Scripting Engine (SSE). Detection of radars by RWR has been reworked to make player and AI systems equal. The parking spaces for Anapa and Krymsk airbases have been corrected. Su-25T: The gun funnel has been adjusted. Added new Su-27 skins. Several factors governing air to air missiles have been adjusted. Updated airbase charts from www.10thGunfighters.de and www.ariescon.com Fixed input deadlock. M256 HEAT ballistics corrected. Improved fire and smoke of aircraft fragments. Improved material of flares. Adjusted logbook data accounting. Especially in complex cases with multiple changes of aircrafts in one sortie. Mission Editor: Added briefing picture dialog. If file contain inappropriate symbols in the name, GUI Error appears. The broken input after exporting to HTML is fixed. If you search the forum (better than I can) you will find a later update that didnt mention the ATC improvements. After questions were asked Wags came online to confirm they were still in 1.2.5 just asking the same question now as it does not appear in the change log posted... Kind regards, Gary

Not sure if that is some smart arsed reply to imply if its not in the change log then it wont be in 1.2.5 (would have preferred you just to say not included anymore) If it is perhaps you might want to consider that it wasnt mentioned in a previous update but Wags came onto the forum to confirm it would be included. A straightforward yes or no would be great thanks. If it wasnt an attempt to look clever - I sincerely apologise Kind regards, Gary

Could we have some offical news on the ATC update please? Confirmation its in or out of 1.2.5? At the risk of being greedy a little detail if it is in?

By far and away the most important and needed update in my view...

What happened to the ATC update????????? Regards, Gary

Matt, Many thanks for taking the time to clarify. Regards, Gary

Hopefully the ATC improvements will come in tomorrows update? Regards, Gary

"What happened to the ATC improvements?" I would like to know too please. This is the one big improvement I wanted to see in 1.2.5

Not trying to be deliberately unhelpfull but have you tried the search function? Not sure they will all be in the same place but I am sure you could find some of what you need at least.

Not too sure how much information we can expect on a weekly basis. If you was to compile the last 4 weeks into one monthly update it would seem more has been done. That said, ED do have a rather nice habit of suprising us at times with unexpected additional update content - and long so it continue! Kind regards, Gary

Agreed. Info on its development always welcome via the regular updates of course. Kind regards, Gary

Quick question for those who might know. Where does the module manager get its information from? I sort of assumed possibly registry but if that was the case they would all be listed? I'm not suggesting work for the sake of it but if it could be changed to collect serials from the registry then surely it would be up to date? (another assumption being the registry contains all your serials) Yes - I do know the mother of all up is assumption! lol. Kind regards, Gary

Yours and everyones help is much appreciated so thank you. Kind regards, Gary

cichlidfan, Thank you for the reply - apologies if my rants came across as a dig at you - that was not my intention. As I said, my experience on here has always been good previously. I will raise a ticket of course but to be honest my previous experience of doing so was not good. Will give it another try. Thanks again. Gary

And just whilst I am on a roll here - yes i abosolutely do expect my vendors to keep records of my serials if this is the method they choose to employ. My contract with them is such that I have purchased software and they choose to provide me with a code that enables it to work. Absolutely they need to protect those records in my view. I can prove via bank statements etc that I gave them money. Surely they should be able to provide proof I have access to that purchase. Sorry for the rant - just want to get this issue resolved! Kind Regards, Gary

All, Any chance of a constructive reply rather than the "don't rely on the vendors to keep my records" please. I am more than happy to keep my own records if needs must but surely the whole point of the module manager is exactly this issue?? My question stands please - how do I merge my two accounts in order to consolidate my account? My previous experience on here has always been good - even if the answer was not what I wanted. Just please explain why this is not possible - assuming its not??? Kind Regards, Gary

The point of the thread really is about tracking serials agreed. Thats why having a module manager was a good idea. I just want my module manager information to be right and contain my serials please. If the vendor does loose all serials, we are all knackered surely?? Also doesnt account for wrong information on the DCS site. Just want to stress though that this is not a big deal at all. I just thought if ED has gone to the trouble of creating the MM then lets all try to make best use of it. Kind regards, Gary

All, Think I know the problem now. Its all down to how many accounts you have on the DCS website. For some reason I have 2 listed (don't remember setting two up though but I am getting old!) However it still shows wrong information I think on the serial number manager pages. On the old account it shows me having BS1, BS2 upgrade and A10c 1.2.4 all download versions so all good there. New account (saying new because this is where Huey is listed and only downloaded it a week or so ago) it shows Huey (correct) and FC2 (pretty sure that is not correct - never remember buying this item, perhaps someone could check for me please?) To make it even more confussing under the payments section on the DCS website for my old account it lists P51 as being purchased (along with A10c, BS1 and BS2 upgrade) but I know for certain I never did buy this module. On my new account under payments it only lists Huey (which is correct) Guess the question is - anyway to have my two accounts merged? Kind Regards, Gary

Xjiks, Many thanks! Working ok now. Regards, Gary