Bremspropeller

Bump.

Hi folks, I know the spanish versions never carried die Magic 2*, but for the sake of simulating other customers, it would be awesome to have the option of using the Magic 2. ___ *not sure whether the qatari EDAs did eventually carry the M2

Bump. Plus the addition of empty external tanks would be awesome - well, certainly for the EE with the refuelling probe.

So it's between a flash and a jiffy.

When is "imminent", though?

Probably the rudder-bug at work. Hopefully the next patch will get rid of this.

@Hiromachi page 223 top left: "Despite having almost half a ton more thrust [R13-300 of the MF vs. R11F2S-300 of the PFM/SPS*], the MF didn't quite have the same maneuvering characteristics of the SPS..." *For the other readers: SPS is the East German designation of the PFM, as they had already called their upgraded PFs "PFM" // the SPS-K was a PFM with a GP-9 gunpod.

Pls gib!

Me neither, it's just the magniture of impact on the overall handling with a Magic asymmetry that seems a little too much.

I also had the impression, that the rudder-input is a bit unenthusiastic during large roll inputs at slow airspeed/ high AoA, when flying the 2000C yesterday.

Hey guys, I'm getting a checksum error with the "miragef1tank" psd, when trying to extract it via 7z or winrar. A re-download of the template didn't help.

Seems like the early tranche "straight" F1C never got any RWRs. Two 'Voltige Victor' F1Cs in Fairford '98. No RWRs. One is aircraft No°32, the other is No°52: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1205143 https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1158101 Aircraft No°62 in 2000: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1033359 Aircraft No°5 in 2002 - no RWR (note that in the second picture No°512 (F1B) does have an RWR) https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1556514 https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1597263 Aircraft No°24 in 2000 https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1192892 The same aircraft, 26 years before: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1180749 Here's a mystery with some 1/12 birds in '79. Aircraft 39, 55 and 60 all have no RWRs. Aircraft 46 (last picture), however, does have one: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1162388 https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1162386 https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1162390 https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1162387 Good old No°5 used to be with 1/12 - no RWR in 1991: https://abpic.co.uk/pictures/view/1158101 Anybody have a backstory on the RWR retrofit in 46? Seems to be the combo-breaker here...

Die Vibration der Seitenleitwerke ist ziemlich cool! Das ist ein Novum in DCS.

You just made me buy two books I knew the PFM was eventually going to get some love around here

If you were doing it obviously, it would have been obvious. Cash is tight at times. Seems like they were trying to fit the Mirage 2000C Serval RWR into the F1CT, but didn't because of flutter issues. Doing the obvious isn't always an option when cash is tight. The fact that the CT programme dragged on for almost a decade, before being finalised, also shows that money wasn't being grown on trees. When the F1C was introduced, it had no RWR whatsoever. I think it's important to note, how crappy the R3S was and how much of a step forward the soviet (read: non-american) missles made in the late 70s/ early 80s were doing. During the mid 80s with the MiG-23ML was the first time the soviet aircraft had a credible FWD quarter missile threat against western aircraft with the R-24 and R-60 combo. Hence the steep rise in necessity of expendable CMs. That's just me thinking aloud, but I do think there's something in this thought.

None of those are F1C or F1C-200 features which were the CAFDA airframes. The F1CR and CT were FATAC, showing a need for defenses against fighters. The Spanish were a totally different gig.

The F1 and Jag are actually quite contemporary. Also, the Tornado is just a bit newer. They're all fairly small aircraft, ostly operated by countries with farly tight budgets and there's no US military behind those jets, paying for most of the (retro) fits. I think the continuous updates to the F1 (even though late to come) showthe commitment, France had with the airframe.

If it wasn't in the original tranche delivery-specs, it's a retrofit, upgraded to production standards. No need for splitting hairs. You should ask the M IIIC guys about CMs in Djibouti '88, then... The F1C and M2kC were CAFDA airplanes in air-defense, behind the NATO air defense belt in West Germany (where the 'merricans, Canadians, Brits and Germans were going to get a go first). There wasn't that much of a threat besides the odd bomber coming through. The need for countermeasures for those aircraft was only recognized during the out of area work in Africa. Just like the refuelability was an afterthought and installed during the late 70s into the F1C-200s. The FATAC Jaguars got most of the pods, because they were supposed to play in the mud, eating SAMs. RAF Jaguars (as well as Tornados) had to use external CMs and jamming through Desert Staorm (pardon: Granby) and had to content with that stuff till the end of their service-lives. Nothing stecial there. The South Africans had an even better idea, by the way - put CM into the ventral fins... Has nothing to do with fairness. And it's not a comparison at all. I was just adding additional info.

The F1CE also had their system retrofit later on. https://www.airliners.net/photo/Spain-Air-Force/Dassault-Mirage-F1CE/1301868/L The AdlA normally used CM pods, but those would naturally have gone to the low-level strikers (Jaguars) with some priority, when deployed abroad. Hence the chute-installation of the F1C-200s and the F1CRs seen above. The Corail installation later solved the problem elegantly.

It's a known issue. There are several threads about it already.

Doesn't that already exist? Have a look at the specials menu, the shouldbe a box to (un)tick that will do just this.

Yes, just like with the Éclair on the M2000C.

I think they should be about on par in terms of overall capability. The CR obviously comes with a lot of recce-options (in pods, mostly) that the M wouldn't have.