Nevada Updates

Underwhelming piece of crap? Compared to what?? D:

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Underwhelming piece of crap? Compared to what?? D:

Anything that can fly a combat mission more than 400 miles away without being forced to tank twice or risk running out of gas.

Anything with a thrust-to-weight ratio greater than 0.9.

Anything that can drop more than four bombs without having to immediately turn around and go home.

Anything that has actually played a pivotal role in even a single conflict to have occurred in the past 20 years.

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Look, I understand that odds of getting an F-15E is extremely low. And I really don't want to see the Mazda Miata of the US Air Force, the F-16, be romanticized and over-glorified even more than it already is. So I secretly know that we're probably going to actually be getting an F/A-18.

But I do think that the C-model over the Superhornet is kind of stupid, and I've always hated that aircraft because it's so yawn-inducingly underwhelming at everything it has ever done. The only purpose the F/A-18 ever had was serving as an example for McDonnell Douglas to fix all the lackluster performance and flaws in the F/A-18 and make a far superior aircraft in every aspect by taking the already venerable and storied history of the F-15C and turning it into the most capable deep-strike multi-role tactical bomber the world's ever seen.

You're comparing an aircraft that isn't even rated past 7Gs to an aircraft that could strap a combat-loaded F/A-18C to its underside and carry it into battle. I will still buy DCS: F/A-18 and carrier ops should be fun (for a while at least... not really the deal-maker for me that some of you make it out to be), and yeah, it at least has some power, good speed, and performs radically different from an A-10. But I cannot imagine how anyone could possibly want the F/A-18C over even an F-16 (objectively speaking, let's pretend the F-16 hasn't been so widely popularized), when it's so completely inferior in every regard, to such a degree that the Navy literally settled for second-best by picking the YF-17 over the -16. The very reason the Superhornet even exists was to try to fix the legacy F/A-18s many shortcomings.

I guess most civilians are probably going to like a particular combat aircraft for more superficial reasons than practical one - they like the look, maybe they heard about it a lot as a kid, it was in a movie, etc - but of the four aircraft we could pick from - F-15E, F-16, F/A-18 Superhornet, and the F/A-18C, the -C is literally the worst one you could possibly chose from that list. So with that in mind, I'm honestly baffled by how excited people are getting over an aircraft that deserves to be hated. At least admit that based on purely logical reasons the legacy F/A-18 is a terrible, terrible aircraft.

Some people really like having roadblocks in their way, I can understand that challenges are what makes a game fun - but I really don't want to see my sim flying spent mostly on flying to and from the AO, and having a loiter time measured in just a handful of minutes. Taking off, flying over empty ocean, tanking, reaching the target and having only about fifteen minutes to find and prosecute targets with my scant handful of munitions, flying back, maybe tanking again and once more flying over empty ocean to land on a carrier just sounds like a lot of time spent not doing the combat aspect and would wear on me. Then again, I'm not one of these guys who likes to play FSX so I can fly FEDEX packages across the Atlantic.

Besides, the F/A-18 is ugly. Move the verts back thirty five feet so they're over the stabs where they belong and we'll talk.

Anything that can fly a combat mission more than 400 miles away without being forced to tank twice or risk running out of gas.

 

Anything with a thrust-to-weight ratio greater than 0.9.

 

Anything that can drop more than four bombs without having to immediately turn around and go home.

 

Anything that has actually played a pivotal role in even a single conflict to have occurred in the past 20 years.

 

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Look, I understand that odds of getting an F-15E is extremely low. And I really don't want to see the Mazda Miata of the US Air Force, the F-16, be romanticized and over-glorified even more than it already is. So I secretly know that we're probably going to actually be getting an F/A-18.

 

But I do think that the C-model over the Superhornet is kind of stupid, and I've always hated that aircraft because it's so yawn-inducingly underwhelming at everything it has ever done.

 

Also the F/A-18 is ugly. Move the verts back thirty five feet so they're over the stabs where they belong and we'll talk.

''you must give some reputation around before giving it back to Frostiken again....'' :doh:

Nice post, 100% agree with you :smartass::pilotfly:

 

Look, I understand that odds of getting an F-15E is extremely low.

There is nothing I would love more than an F-15E myself, but when it comes down to it, ANY fighter that ED makes with DCS style dedication is going to be amazing. I can't wait to see how they are going to redesign supersonic flight, sounds, afterburners, etc. etc. etc.

And with this new terrain, (which I think will make it possible for other terrain in the future to be added on) This is one of the most exciting things to hit my PC in YEARS.

Only thing I feel is lacking (and Nevada terrain can change this) is the ground detail. I'm curious to see how well X-Plane 10's attempt will be with their new terrain system.

^ Yeah even if it's not the best airframe out there, it's ugly, doesn't pass 7G and has some disadvantages which I rather call specific features - let it be a supersonic jet fighter.

don't forget, Nellis will be the first new full terrain map the ED have ever released....so even if the idea of the location doesn't excite you, surely the fact that it is an opening move for a new branch of tech for the DCS world must

 

..if Nellis + area is successful, imagine what else might be in the pipeline...

:thumbup: Great Point!

A second Nevada base, and a new aircraft. Hmmmmm where could that be and what could it be.................

http://www.airliners.net/photo/USA---Navy/McDonnell-Douglas-F-A-18C/1301641/L/&sid=41d75c79be2c3ad7b21419e5aae8d407

All I know is that Nevada will be amazing! I loved it in Beta and it probably wasn't even 50% completed.

Flying the A-10C over the desert just feels right. :pilotfly:

The DCS:Next discussion might be better placed over in this thread, please: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=70457

yes. Please keep this Nevada related. I have a hard time enough with my squirrel getting him admit that he has a drinking problem..

yes. Please keep this Nevada related. I have a hard time enough with my squirrel getting him admit that he has a drinking problem..

I love that damn squirrel!

I love that damn squirrel!

you should seem my raccoon. He took steroids and got an opposite affect..

I have a hard time enough with my squirrel getting him admit that he has a drinking problem..

I have the same problem with my ferrit...what a degenerate...

Were getting off track. Lets stick with Nevada please

The should atleast re release beta 2 version terrain, or whichever one that was that worked well.

Cmon, this is way too long a wait.

We were promised nevada

ReleAse something

Im sure if you really wanted to you could load the old beta2 Nevada manually. The wait is worth it

Im sure if you really wanted to you could load the old beta2 Nevada manually. The wait is worth it

So you keep telling us. :noexpression:

So you keep telling us. :noexpression:

 

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who says im not working on it right now? ;)

who says im not working on it right now? ;)

Tease!

Tease!

nope. truth

When are we gonna get to see some new nevada footage?

Should be expect a whole strip fully lit up at night?

I'm stationed at Nellis (Security Forces) would be great to see this addition! I'm on the flight line every week!

(...) I am sure all missions I make will be pretending the deserts are 'some hostile regime somewhere'.

 

Which is kind of cool you know, it removes politics and is more like the real world work up exercises where they have 'fake' enemy countries.

Exacly :thumbup:

Guys, does anyone know the approximate cost of the Nevada terrain for the idiots like myself who didn't pre-order. I definitely will next time. Also will it be available anywhere other than the DCS website?

Thanks.