DCS on a 55-inch 4K TV

damn it... after reading this thread (and thinking about it before also) today I went out and got me a 58" 4K TV, I was bit scared to get one that can't run 60Hz through HDMI so I got one that has Display Port... it wasn't cheap though (which is why I said "damn it" first)... I haven't connected it yet (or turned on) but the image i saw on it in the shop was so perfect I said, what the heck... YOLO :D

I'll be changing my triple 27" setup very soon, this thing better we worth it... if not, I just got myself a quite expensive TV which I rarely watch (I either sit on the PC or watch movies on projector screen)

PS: things like this also make me realise I have entered that dreaded mid-life crisis... it's as bad as people have said it would be... you want to try to live your life and enjoy the things you couldn't afford when you were young(er) but now you can, before you get even older and can't... what the heck, right?

Welcome to the big screen club! What tv did you get? You will love it trust me I ditched my 3x 27 for a 55 in her and will never go back

today I went out and got me a 58" 4K TV

I think I'm just about to buy that same Panasonic!

PS: things like this also make me realise I have entered that dreaded mid-life crisis... it's as bad as people have said it would be... you want to try to live your life and enjoy the things you couldn't afford when you were young(er) but now you can, before you get even older and can't... what the heck, right?

Trust me, it doesn't get better so just go with it! :D

Besides, if you sit around the house playing with money, people will talk. If you play with expensive toys, they will still talk but only when you aren't in the room.

;)

 

UPDATE 7/20/14: I've now got a

" up that shows the 4K in action.

Hi bud thats a nice setup for a home type pit. :thumbup:

I have plans to have something mobile in future its a long term project a combination of these pics in a DCS F-18E pit by Cortex Design.............. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=90154

Concept Example...........

1./ Mobile F-18E cockpit mold on wheels on a trailer ......... http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Home%20Made%20Cockpit%20Project

/F-16CocpitTrailerExample02_zps916ba7cd.jpg ............. F-18 Home Cockpit parts from here ........... http://www.thesimulatorstore.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=59&Itemid=120

2./ With right and left panels using touch screens like this .......... http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Home%20Made%20Cockpit%20Project/F-16HomeBultCockpitSimDisplays_zpsdcf942d6.jpg

3./ With a collapsible curved screen like this............ http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Home%20Made%20Cockpit%20Project/CurvedScreen05_zpsc4e27b83.jpg

.........joins from the back........ http://i1171.photobucket.com/albums/r543/picturebucket7/Home%20Made%20Cockpit%20Project/CurvedScreen01_zpsd69b6167.jpg

More info here............. http://viperwing.com/ :thumbup:

Well its a future project if I ever get to it that is, i estimate less than $10,000AUD.

Sourcing a bubble canopy might be difficult unless I buy complete like in the first pic! MMM nice!

Reasons to Build:-

• Personal use for Family Friends Home Entertainment
  
• Party Entertainment Function Hire
  
• State Air Shows Fighter Sim Hire
  
• Local Council / State Festivities Equipment Hire
  

Thats the thought process behind this as future project. :thumbup: :smilewink: Nice ha

Only for Weekend purposes! :smilewink::thumbup:

For now I have something similar to what you have and want to improve on that by getting a new Ultra HD 4K 3D curved screen hopefully in new year.

As a home pit.

Also a new PC case well planning and build it bit by bit.

A while ago I painted the wall I sit in front of from a creamy bone color to a more modern brown color so it looks dark at night, it made a big difference to enjoy sims.

Thanks for sharing video!

Cheers,

:beer:

I currently run a 30" 1600p monitor. Ill be looking to upgrade to a ~50 inch 4k tv/monitor for my pit. I did some googling and got lost in a sea of HDMI 1.4, displayport, 30hz vs 60hz, upscaling, downsampling etc etc.

Can someone spec me a suitable 4k 60hz tv that can connect to a PC? Happy to wait for a few months if new technology or pricesare on the horizon.

I think I'm just about to buy that same Panasonic!

What Panasonic?

oh you guys with your pitiful 4Ks....

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-monitor-display-5k-ultrasharp,27613.html

the future is soon......

What tv did you get?

What Panasonic?

Its model: TC-58AX800U: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-58AX800U

Thank's Kuky. 33.0 kg (72.8 lbs) is also possible to hang on the wall :D

Its model: TC-58AX800U: http://shop.panasonic.com/shop/model/TC-58AX800U

So, how is it? :pilotfly:

Give it to me straight, is DCS a slideshow at 4k with the same settings you had before?

With exact same game settings, it runs bit better... Not by a lot but it's better. I think it's because even though it's more pixels to run it's only 1 viewport vs 3 I had before. After going onto settings I found out my PC sees this tv as 2 monitors, in eyefinity. The image on the tv is really good I have to say that... But I am bit unlucky as within 30 min of having it on, I saw 2 stuck pixels ... I can't be bothered to go and return it for another one so I'll just live with it (but this is not nice considering I paid good money for it... I guess 8million pixels or so it has there is good chance some could be faulty... It's just my luck I guess.

One thing I don't like now is the stretching the game makes when having bit higher FoV... Everything has some trade off.

I have started to change my flying setup more, I want to fix the tv bit lower (on desk it sits too high) I'll try putting one of the 27" bit below the tv to see if it's good extracting instruments on it... So no PC use for a few days for me.

Was it worth it? I am not really sure to be honest, The image is really excellent... At 80 deg FoV everything is nice and clear and readable, and cockpit feels more life-size... I just dislike the DCS stretching on sides with higher FoV, the tv price and those damn 2 stuck pixels... And I feel bit guilty for spending so much on my hobby...

Kuky may I make a sugestion? If it was me I would make calculations to figure how much of my real FoV that display is really covering and use only that value. Stretching should be a lot less noticible that way. It's a bit hard to belive that with even with such a large display that it's covering 80º of your real FoV. I know it can be tempting to use a higher FoV to be able to see more but I think it would be more enjoyable to match it.

I'm speaking against myself here a little. Because I also have a higher FoV on my screen than the real FoV it covers. But I'm only using a 32" display at about 1m away, I can't remember what that figures to now, but I found it to be too funnel vision like to use effectively in combat. But I think if I had a 58" screen I would for sure be using matched FoV.

Yes, I will probably have to reduce FoV to 70° or so.

Kuky, how far away are you sitting? Part of the advantage of 4K is that since the pixels are so small, you can sit closer without seeing the screen-door you get with a regular HD screen of that size; then, the extra FOV is appropriately in your peripheral vision. Does wonders for your sense of speed. If you can suspend your disbelief a little, of course, as you're still looking at a flat two-dimensional image.

Can't sit too close, I think I am about 1m away from the screen.

70º shouldn't be too bad. But at 1m away correct FoV would be +- 65,5º.

Found this info recently and thought it would be useful for this discussion.

It has some good detail about what the eye can discern at different distances.

I think most of us do sit close to our monitors (my 47" LG is about an arm's reach away).

It looks great too at 1920x1080 but I'm wondering if a 4K monitor at the same distance would be better.

According to the charts in the article it would. :thumbup:

I can't be bothered to go and return it for another one so I'll just live with it (but this is not nice considering I paid good money for it... I guess 8million pixels or so it has there is good chance some could be faulty... It's just my luck I guess.

Gutted, but mine would be going straight back to the shop...

I found this tool on a home theatre forum to calculate your FOV:

myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

I worked mine out to be approximately 70 degrees on a 55" at 3 feet...

Excelent tool Highwayman! I usually draw it all by hand in sketchup and then use the protractor. But this saves time.

Gutted, but mine would be going straight back to the shop...

 

I found this tool on a home theatre forum to calculate your FOV:

 

myhometheater.homestead.com/viewingdistancecalculator.html

 

I worked mine out to be approximately 70 degrees on a 55" at 3 feet...

Thats a neat link saved in favorites for a later time thanks.

One thing I don't like now is the stretching the game makes when having bit higher FoV... Everything has some trade off.

 

Was it worth it? I am not really sure to be honest, The image is really excellent... At 80 deg FoV everything is nice and clear and readable, and cockpit feels more life-size... I just dislike the DCS stretching on sides with higher FoV,

Kuky, I'm confused at your comment about stretching at high FOV. As you of course know, I too switched from a 3-screen-wide config to a single 4K monitor. I use a 107-degree default zoom in A-10C -- right at the point that the outside of the canopy frame touches the edges of the monitor -- and I don't feel like there's any noticeable stretching at all. Certainly not compared to what I got used to with the 3-screen setup, where the side screens honestly looked pretty bad.

You say even at 80 FOV it appears stretched; how are you measuring FOV? From 'viewAngle' in entry 13 of the A-10C block in Saved Games\DCS\Config\View\SnapViews.lua?

107° default FoV? :huh: Can't be that high, I think most aircraft have around 70-80° default FoV. I have set 80° for all aircraft, but then the game zooms out a bit also, so likely it ends up bit more... it could be I zoomed out tad more with mouse scroll wheel to try wider FoV so I saw the stretching again (which I hate), I have a feeling you don't use too high FoV (definitely not 107°) if you say you don't see any stretching on edges.... heck I even saw it on instruments down low (the round gauges didn't look circular towards bottom of the screen).

But anyway, I have taken everything apart 2 days ago and I am slowly changing my flying setup so I can't check anything now as everything is all over the place in the house :music_whistling: so I can't tell you exactly what I've done or re-check again... I hope I get it connected again coming weekend... still thinking how I'm gonna mount the TV to the flying setup and ditch the table it was on (don't need it any more).

OK but, where are you getting that 80 FOV value from? How do you know you're using 80?

I set it in that Saved Games\DCS\Config\View\SnapViews.lua file... section 13, that one is default view setting when you enter aircraft.