Introducing the VKB-Sim ‘Modern Combat Grip’ (MCG)

Yeah it is strange indeed - the obstacles presented by Eurobureaucracy only become obvious when you bump into them, and then you suddenly find yourself wondering how really strange it is that the shipment to Europe takes twice as long (and longer!) to reach Europe than that to US, and also costs a lot more at the same time*. Plus outrageous taxation. Plus EU member countries' customs practices which are simply shocking: you would not believe things like these happen in Europe in 21st century - maybe in 1970s in the Soviet Empire, but no, no, not here, not now. But it does happen here and now.

Saying this I'm not meaning that we're ideal, or our European partners are perfect.

We might really need to think about looking for more outlets in places like Middle East and Africa. Alternative dealerships in Europe? - talk to us, if you are ready to lend a hand. We're open to everything that would help us keep our customers happy.

 

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* yes it does cost considerably more, but the pre-tax price is the same as that in the US; isn't this strange?

Would be interesting to see if others in other countries would do the same?

How about gaming shops like GameStop in Scandinavia etc? https://m.gamestop.com

If enough customers asks about availability, they might try to negotiate dealing too?

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I usually post from my phone so please excuse any typos, inappropriate punctuation and capitalization, missing words and general lack of cohesion and sense in my posts.....

since nobody answered when I asked before...

I'm looking for a stick and base option for both flying helicopters (no spring, and easy to swap) and flying fixed wing... I currently have Thrust master Warthog. Any suggestions? I liked the idea of having my controls desk mounted like the drop down mounts from Virpil and adding stick extensions.

 

I was looking at either the VKB stick and base or the Virpil one, Ideally I would like 1 base and just have the modularity to install new stick grips as time goes on IE: Must work with the new F-18 grip from thrustmaster coming out for example.

 

I want an american fighter stick grip (f/a-18, warthog [already have])

 

Russian fighter stick grip (for flying SU-27, and Migs and KA-50, etc...)

 

WW2 stick grip (for flying stick and rudder WW2 planes)

 

Any suggestions? Must be as cost efficient too other than buying the individual grips to fit onto the very functional base.

since nobody answered when I asked before...

TM Warthog grip compatible, modern Russian grip and WW2 grip and heli flying would make the VKB Gunfighter base your only option right now.

Noone knows what TM has in store for the F/A-18 grip (or stick), so noone can know if you can use it on any of the available bases.

since nobody answered when I asked before...

Originally Posted by Baz000 View Post

(1) I'm looking for a stick and base option for both flying helicopters (no spring, and easy to swap) and flying fixed wing... I currently have Thrust master Warthog. Any suggestions? I liked the idea of having my controls desk mounted like the drop down mounts from Virpil and adding stick extensions.

 

(2) I was looking at either the VKB stick and base or the Virpil one, Ideally I would like 1 base and just have the modularity to install new stick grips as time goes on IE: Must work with the new F-18 grip from thrustmaster coming out for example.

 

(3) I want an american fighter stick grip (f/a-18, warthog [already have])

 

(4) Russian fighter stick grip (for flying SU-27, and Migs and KA-50, etc...)

 

(5) WW2 stick grip (for flying stick and rudder WW2 planes)

 

Any suggestions? Must be as cost efficient too other than buying the individual grips to fit onto the very functional base.

(1) No one flight stick is perfect for heli flight due the return to center springs (require dedicated options like the Komodo and others specific made for heli), but VKB Gunfighter is the more close that you can get, due the "Dry Clutch" mechanical damper, allowing minimize the return do center effect or even remove the spring and increase "Dry Clutch" pressure that may allow leave the stick in the last position - but maybe imparied if use that >1 KG Warthog grip.

(2) If Tm use the same electronics (Shift Register) in that F-18 grip and same nut system - what is probable, certainly they will use Warthog base for this F-18 grip, VirPil will allow you "bolt and play" that grip in their base.

- VKB base will require:

Open the F-18 grip and install that electronic 'TM to VKB' electronic adapter, and the replace the Tm nut with that VKB mechanical connection. Same for use F-16'ish Warthog/Cougar grips.

Plus, use VKB DevConfig and load the buttons profile for the used grip.

If after play F-something you want play WWII with KG-12A grip need load suitable button profiles.

(3) As above.

(4) In VirPil base can use their Su-57'ish T50 grip (with analog brake axis).

- In VKB base can use their SU-57'ish MCG or MCG PRO (extra buttons/axes), after attach the grip need load the suitable buttons profile.

(5) I guess that in VIPil base can use Baur KG13B grip - indicated by the Baur & VirPil announced partnership and the fact that both VirPil and Baur stick use Shift Register like Warthog/Cougar making then "bolt and play", and Baur stick now use the same detachable nut system of Warthog.

- In VKB base can use their KG-12A plastic grip and IF released their version of this grip in metal - with two 8 ways + press HAT disguised as B1 and B2 knopf, after atach the grip need load the suitable buttons profile.

Courtesy of VKB HQ - fully assembled (and RUS labeled) Gunfighter 'Modern Combat Edition' w/ MCG PRO:

Courtesy of VKB HQ - fully assembled (and RUS labeled) Gunfighter 'Modern Combat Edition' w/ MCG PRO:

:thumbup:

Looking good!

Niiice, can't wait to get my hands on it.

Courtesy of VKB HQ - fully assembled (and RUS labeled) Gunfighter 'Modern Combat Edition' w/ MCG PRO:

Fabulous!

Courtesy of VKB HQ - fully assembled (and RUS labeled) Gunfighter 'Modern Combat Edition' w/ MCG PRO:

This is my most anticipated piece of gear of the last few years. I can’t thank enough the VKB crew for this Cyr version)))

Courtesy of VKB HQ - fully assembled (and RUS labeled) Gunfighter 'Modern Combat Edition' w/ MCG PRO:

Looks fabulous, can't wait!

I. AM. Getting. This. Stick...

(1) No one flight stick is perfect for heli flight due the return to center springs (require dedicated options like the Komodo and others specific made for heli), but VKB Gunfighter is the more close that you can get, due the "Dry Clutch" mechanical damper, allowing minimize the return do center effect or even remove the spring and increase "Dry Clutch" pressure that may allow leave the stick in the last position - but maybe imparied if use that >1 KG Warthog grip.

Does the Virpil base lack this damping mechanism?

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Does the Virpil base lack this damping mechanism?

VirPil base work like VKB Gladiator PRO base, the force of springs is applied over CAM without any damper effect.

You find "damper" effect in gimbals of Gunfighter (dry clutch), and at some degree - not adjustable like in Gunfighter, in Gladiator "vanila" (grease) and in Warthog/T.16000M (grease).

VirPil base work like VKB Gladiator PRO base, the force of springs is applied over CAM without any damper effect.

 

 

 

You find "damper" effect in gimbals of Gunfighter (dry clutch), and at some degree - not adjustable like in Gunfighter, in Gladiator "vanila" (grease) and in Warthog/T.16000M (grease).

Thanks for the detailed answer, Sokol. You are a wealth of knowledge on these things.

I'm trying to decide between the VKB Gunfighter and the Virpil T50 bases currently. I might chose the VKB if it were more compatible with my Warthog, primarily because I also have a Sahaj 15cm extension that I just recently got that I plan to keep and use with my new base. For that reason alone I think the Virpil will be the one I ultimately purchase, even though the Gunfighter base really has my interest.

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Does the Virpil base lack this damping mechanism?

VKB was the first to introduce contactless sensors to the gaming world back in 2003.

We were also the first and so far the only ones to use dampers in our joysticks.

As we never bothered to patent this solution, we're now waiting with curiosity to see who is going to be the first to use it after us and claim it is their own invention.

I'm not implying any particular business... or am I?

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I'm new to VKB products and have been reading comments and looking around on the VKB site and I'm a little confused as to what I would need to put a Warthog stick on a VKB extension. I'm running the T16000 right now but am about to upgrade to the Warthog and I'd like to also purchase the correct extension and adapter kit from VKB, but not sure which one to get. Also is the MCG superior to the Warthog for modern fighters as far as button/switch options?

Any advice is much appreciated.

Warthog stick on a VKB extension

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MCG vs Warthog for modern fighters as far as button/switch options

1 - TM grip + VKB extension

What you CAN NOT do is use our extension between TM grip and TM base, with or without adapter - this is simply no go.

What you CAN do is use our extension between:

a - TM grip and our base (adapter needed)

b - our grip and our base

2 - WH vs MCG

We're probably wrong people to ask but as long as you did so, I can only say, MCG is way beyond WH in too many ways to list. Same, by the way, goes about the base.

But of course I am biased ;) so please get a second opinion from some other guys.

I was looking at at the Warthog and have decided to spend a little more to get a better stick, plus the Gun fighter would be much better for choppers which I do enjoy.

I'm also going with the Pro Grip for all the extra buttons, you can see the Grip Comparison Chart PDF HERE. I will stick with mu trusty ch pro throttle for now as I like the mini stick, this is the sort of mini stick that should be on the TM throttle. VKB Hurry up and build a good throttle guy's LOL :)

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VKB Hurry up

Nothing is more motivating than such messages :)

Seriously.

Plus outrageous taxation. Plus EU member countries' customs practices which are simply shocking: you would not believe things like these happen in Europe in 21st century - maybe in 1970s in the Soviet Empire, but no, no, not here, not now. But it does happen here and now.

Mentioned this to one person who ran business for Soviet Union and West-German, Sweden, UK, France in late 70's and he said that it use to be far more easier to do business back then than it is now to any direction when it was about shipping, customs, getting permissions for dealerships etc.

And he was so Pro-EU in 90's about free transfer of goods and people by not needing a passport, the paperwork etc. And now it is just much worse than previously.

It is ironic that when you go against something, you will eventually turn like it or even worse.

Like the promises how you don't need a passport as EU citizen when traveling inside a EU. A pure lie. You can easily ship goods inside EU etc, but now it can be more difficult and especially when shipping outside of the EU.

It is just funny how a state owned things use to be cheaper, higher quality and just many ways better in many things.

I was looking at at the Warthog and have decided to spend a little more to get a better stick, plus the Gun fighter would be much better for choppers which I do enjoy.

 

I'm also going with the Pro Grip for all the extra buttons, you can see the Grip Comparison Chart PDF HERE. I will stick with mu trusty ch pro throttle for now as I like the mini stick, this is the sort of mini stick that should be on the TM throttle. VKB Hurry up and build a good throttle guy's LOL :)

 

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how is it better for choppers? I'm looking to replace my TM Warthog base because of that stupid "sticking" problem... Like when you want to build up G smoothly, it is not smooth and jerks around.

But I also want something to use for helicopters (same base) where I could adjust it quickly to be ideal for helicopters and stick and rudder WW2 planes and jet fighters with FBW systems.

So far I have not found any such base that would allow "quick swap" of spring / cam settings and have swap-able grip. But maybe I am just not well informed of what is out there? I'm not that technically versed to know these things, i'm just an average end user.

1 - TM grip + VKB extension

What you CAN NOT do is use our extension between TM grip and TM base, with or without adapter - this is simply no go.

What you CAN do is use our extension between:

a - TM grip and our base (adapter needed)

b - our grip and our base

 

2 - WH vs MCG

We're probably wrong people to ask but as long as you did so, I can only say, MCG is way beyond WH in too many ways to list. Same, by the way, goes about the base.

But of course I am biased ;) so please get a second opinion from some other guys.

Thanks for the information, so this looks like what I probably want then https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-pro-revb-mcg

is the Nov. 1st date still current?

This has the pinky button correct?

Thanks for the information, so this looks like what I probably want then https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-pro-revb-mcg

is the Nov. 1st date still current?

This has the pinky button correct?

Yes on the pinky (or ring finger) button. Haven't heard anything to the contrary from VKB HQ regarding the Nov. 1 shipping date. If I do, I will inform everyone.

Thanks for the information, so this looks like what I probably want then https://vkbcontrollers.com/?product=vkb-sim-gunfighter-pro-revb-mcg

is the Nov. 1st date still current?

This has the pinky button correct?

Nov.1, or very near date. Yes, still correct.

They all have pinky button.

Welcome! Hope you enjoy flying with it at least half as much as we enjoyed designing it.

how is it better for choppers?

The adjustable damper allows you to tune up the stick to your liking, with or without soft center, plus you can choose the degree of this softness.

Cams can be replaced easily - well, you still need to undo a few screws, but at least you don't need a sledgehammer to take the cam off, and a hydraulic press to put another one on. It takes a couple of minutes.

Our base works with different sticks, and our sticks can sit on different bases (adapter may be needed in some cases though).