Good News! F15C AFM from "BelSimTek"

[bigcountry]

1. Will this be a clickable cockpit?

2. Will there be in flight game training like the A-10c

3. I cant wait for this, end of the month!!!!!!

[AegisFX]

1. Will this be a clickable cockpit?

2. Will there be in flight game training like the A-10c

3. I cant wait for this, end of the month!!!!!!

 

No, no, yay..

 

 

The flight model is different from how you control the plane's systems. The flight model is simply a change to aerodynamics.

[VincentLaw]

1. Will this be a clickable cockpit?

2. Will there be in flight game training like the A-10c

Probably not until they do an avionics/systems upgrade, and at that point it will basically be A-10C level.

We are considering the possibility of creating a complete avionics model with clickable cockpit and accurate systems modeling. This would be a major development however, so a final decision has not yet been made.

No, no, way..

 

 

The flight model is different from how you control the plane's systems. The flight model is simply a change to aerodynamics.

They have said they were also upgrading the engine model, fuel system model, ground handling model, and flight control system. (which goes beyond "Just aerodynamics") http://www.belsimtek.com/news/1459/ Edited March 10, 2014 by VincentLaw

[bigcountry]

Ok thanks. Man, I need some real training with the f15. An u one wanna help and ole timer lolz

[Trooper117]

All sounds great... looking forward to it.

[Lord_Pyro]

Ok thanks. Man, I need some real training with the f15. An u one wanna help and ole timer lolz

 

That plane flys alone by it self, no need to train that. All you have to train is the weaponsusage and the way it is done at the moment won't change in the near future ;)

[GGTharos]

^^^^

 

That has to be some of the worst advice here.

[AegisFX]

^^^^

 

That has to be some of the worst advice here.

 

OR...a genius trying to keep competition down...

[SkateZilla]

They have said they were also upgrading the engine model, fuel system model, ground handling model, and flight control system. (which goes beyond "Just aerodynamics") http://www.belsimtek.com/news/1459/

 

 

Fuel and Engine Systems Feed the Flight Model's Force/Power, Hydraulics/FCS, Ground handling (collision/suspension) Attribute to Aircraft's Handling in flight and on the ground, in take off and landing.

 

Why does everyone assume an AFM is just Aerodynamic?,

 

To have a Complete Flight Model, you need more than Aerodynamics,

You need the Engine, Fuel, FCS, Suspension, etc systems.

 

They all contribute to the airframe's performance.

[VincentLaw]

Why does everyone assume an AFM is just Aerodynamic?

Anyone who at least played around with the EFM API a little bit would know that it is actually not possible (without some hackery) to mix and match SFM wheels and engines with an AFM for aerodynamics. I assume most people have not done this.

[AegisFX]

Fuel and Engine Systems Feed the Flight Model's Force/Power, Hydraulics/FCS, Ground handling (collision/suspension) Attribute to Aircraft's Handling in flight and on the ground, in take off and landing.

 

Why does everyone assume an AFM is just Aerodynamic?,

 

To have a Complete Flight Model, you need more than Aerodynamics,

You need the Engine, Fuel, FCS, Suspension, etc systems.

 

They all contribute to the airframe's performance.

 

I'm not making that assumption, but it's certainly easier to word it that way. That yes, at the end of the day, all of those updates will affect the FLIGHT. It seems a lot easier to say "Aerodynamics" are getting a change, than to write a lengthy discussion about it. Hell, "Aerodynamics" is a bit simpler than even a single sentence listing the individual components.

[Allesmor Obranna]

New AFM - new flight demo! Now, we need the EDGE, a good looking vortex/vapour simulation and a more relaistic afterburner modelling and that's all!

[kazereal]

Fuel and Engine Systems Feed the Flight Model's Force/Power, Hydraulics/FCS, Ground handling (collision/suspension) Attribute to Aircraft's Handling in flight and on the ground, in take off and landing.

 

Why does everyone assume an AFM is just Aerodynamic?,

 

To have a Complete Flight Model, you need more than Aerodynamics,

You need the Engine, Fuel, FCS, Suspension, etc systems.

 

They all contribute to the airframe's performance.

 

Calling it FLIGHT model may have something do with this ;)

 

Also, many people might not know all the things that need to be modeled from an actual aircraft and how they interact in a simulation..

 

Perhaps AFM should be called "aircraft dynamic model" or something like that instead?

[Exorcet]

To have a Complete Flight Model, you need more than Aerodynamics,

You need the Engine, Fuel, FCS, Suspension, etc systems.

 

They all contribute to the airframe's performance.

To be fair, you can have an incomplete flight model, and as this is FC3 we're talking about and everyone knows we're not getting the full DCS module level of detail, I think it's understandable. There is no reason why ED couldn't make AFM in such a way that the plane flies realistically, but has a simple thrust model and the scripted FC ground interaction.

[lunaticfringe]

No aircraft with a "simple" thrust model will fly "realistically".

[karambiatos]

To be fair, you can have an incomplete flight model, and as this is FC3 we're talking about and everyone knows we're not getting the full DCS module level of detail, I think it's understandable. There is no reason why ED couldn't make AFM in such a way that the plane flies realistically, but has a simple thrust model and the scripted FC ground interaction.

 

well depending on how the engine is made, using scripted ground interaction, and effectively turning the AFM on and off, may be much harder than just doing it properly.

[Exorcet]

No aircraft with a "simple" thrust model will fly "realistically".

 

Well OK, glides realistically.

 

well depending on how the engine is made, using scripted ground interaction, and effectively turning the AFM on and off, may be much harder than just doing it properly.

 

I don't disagree, I'm saying that AFM could be coded in many different ways. Depending on what someone knows they may think the aerodynamics can be separated from everything else.

[Pyroflash]

To be fair, you can have an incomplete flight model, and as this is FC3 we're talking about and everyone knows we're not getting the full DCS module level of detail, I think it's understandable. There is no reason why ED couldn't make AFM in such a way that the plane flies realistically, but has a simple thrust model and the scripted FC ground interaction.

 

except that the engine and flight model may not be so separate.

[Python]

Best news in ages!!! Can't wait...

[sobek]

There is no reason why ED couldn't make AFM in such a way that the plane flies realistically, but has a simple thrust model and the scripted FC ground interaction.

 

Actually there is for the ground interaction. It wouldn't be AFM.

[Exorcet]

Actually there is for the ground interaction. It wouldn't be AFM.

That's not true. I'm not talking about the actual AFM, but a hypothetical AFM. AFM as ED codes it does not separate the ground from flight, but that isn't impossible. If someone doesn't know how the AFM works they might incorrectly assume different things about it.

[CoBlue]

Awesome! end of this month....can't wait:lol:

[AegisFX]

Is a release still planned by the end of this month?

[hvymtal]

No further news anywhere. Considering how everything DCS gets delayed multiple times before release I'm skeptical

[Kenan]

^^Yep..I wouldn't be too shocked if they suddenly decided to delay the release..but hey, let's give it a chance and see what happens.