outlawal2 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Maybe I am missing something here, but why do the work on a dual seat trainer as a free plane if you can't use it as a dual seat trainer? I guess I see some of the logic as they don't want to give away the P-51 (and folks that have already bought it would be quite peeved if it was given away) but a dual seat trainer that isn't dual seat capable is ... Silly? Or am I completely off-base with zero hope? LOL "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
cichlidfan Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Purpose is to introduce new users to the sim and the level of detail in the aircraft and flight models. Along with that, it would be useful for attracting potential DCS WWII customers (or just prop enthusiasts) by providing them a free opportunity to see what is in store. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Wissam24 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Maybe I am missing something here, but why do the work on a dual seat trainer as a free plane if you can't use it as a dual seat trainer? I guess I see some of the logic as they don't want to give away the P-51 (and folks that have already bought it would be quite peeved if it was given away) but a dual seat trainer that isn't dual seat capable is ... Silly? Or am I completely off-base with zero hope? LOL Precisely my question. I guess it's easiest since they already have the Mustang around and only need modify it but still...why not make it the A or B model with unclickable cockpit and AFM if they want to attract people? I'm sure it'd require no more modification than the TF-51D.
outlawal2 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Precisely my question. I guess it's easiest since they already have the Mustang around and only need modify it but still...why not make it the A or B model with unclickable cockpit and AFM if they want to attract people? I'm sure it'd require no more modification than the TF-51D. Unless they INTEND to make it dual-seat capable once that code is in place.. Then it would serve as a free WW2 prop plane AS WELL as a dual-seat demonstrator... Now THAT would make some sense! :thumbup: "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
Blaze Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Why? It's purpose it to demonstrate the quality of the prop AFM. The fact that it happens to be a dual-controlled aircraft in real life is just a happenstance. i7 7700K | 32GB RAM | GTX 1080Ti | Rift CV1 | TM Warthog | Win 10 "There will always be people with a false sense of entitlement. You can want it, you can ask for it, but you don't automatically deserve it. "
Wissam24 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Pray tell, who is moaning? All I was doing was asking whether the TF-51D will have dual control and being promptly shot down and told that's a stupid idea. Given that the Hawk has dual control, it's very much on topic as such a feature would be very relevant to the hawk's development.
GGTharos Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I don't think it's a stupid idea, I also don't think you should be getting your hopes up right now. Pray tell, who is moaning? All I was doing was asking whether the TF-51D will have dual control and being promptly shot down and told that's a stupid idea. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Wissam24 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Why? It's purpose it to demonstrate the quality of the prop AFM. The fact that it happens to be a dual-controlled aircraft in real life is just a happenstance. Because choosing a dual control training aircraft over any other that isn't to do that is....odd. All it required was a "We don't know if it will or not, but it's a possibility." I wasn't expecting a "No, that's a stupid idea, of course they would choose that plane, why wouldn't they, shut up and stop asking questions."
GGTharos Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Nothing odd about it ... it's one of TFC's aircraft, IIRC. Because choosing a dual control training aircraft over any other that isn't to do that is....odd. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Home Fries Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Because choosing a dual control training aircraft over any other that isn't to do that is....odd. All it required was a "We don't know if it will or not, but it's a possibility." I wasn't expecting a "No, that's a stupid idea, of course they would choose that plane, why wouldn't they, shut up and stop asking questions." They could have said that the "civilian" P-51 is free, but at least with the TF-51 they leave open the possibility of multi-crew at a future time. Just don't expect it now. -Home Fries My DCS Files and Skins My DCS TARGET Profile for Cougar or Warthog and MFDs F-14B LANTIRN Guide
Blaze Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 They could have said that the "civilian" P-51 is free, but at least with the TF-51 they leave open the possibility of multi-crew at a future time. Just don't expect it now. +1 Multi-crew integration isn't even here yet, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. i7 7700K | 32GB RAM | GTX 1080Ti | Rift CV1 | TM Warthog | Win 10 "There will always be people with a false sense of entitlement. You can want it, you can ask for it, but you don't automatically deserve it. "
Wissam24 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Nothing odd about it ... it's one of TFC's aircraft, IIRC. Yes, Miss Velma. I suppose from ED's point of view it's easier to make that than build a new one from scratch, but it's a perfectly apt question as to whether it will have dual control or not, I really don't think it warranted the reaction it got.
SkateZilla Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) And For All the New Users that joined the discussion from the other thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2030978&postcount=237 and http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2031535&postcount=247 Edited March 31, 2014 by SkateZilla Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
uboats Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 And For All the New Users that joined the discussion from the other thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2030978&postcount=237 and http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2031535&postcount=247 So can i conclude that DCSW will supply two free aircrafts: su-25t FC3 lvl and TF-51D dcs lvl And customers can taste both survey sim and study sim? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn |
SkateZilla Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 So can i conclude that DCSW will supply two free aircrafts: su-25t FC3 lvl and TF-51D dcs lvl And customers can taste both survey sim and study sim? it's not yet known if it utilizes A Clickable Cockpit or if it's been reduced to Survey Level (non Clickable), FC3 Level, or whatever you wanna call it. Unless I Missed a Confirmation or Declaration of it's fidelity somewhere.... Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
archer86 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 And For All the New Users that joined the discussion from the other thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2030978&postcount=237 and http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2031535&postcount=247 wonderful news!:)
uboats Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Unless I Missed a Confirmation or Declaration of it's fidelity somewhere.... I did miss the last part of ur post. thanks [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] My DCS Mods, Skins, Utilities and Scripts | Windows 10 | i7-4790K | GTX 980Ti Hybrid | 32GB RAM | 3TB SSD | | TM Warthog Stick | CH Pro Throttle + Pro Pedal | TIR5 Pro | TM MFD Cougar | Gun Camera: PrtScn |
marluk Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Maybe ED want to make dual control pilot project while not investing too much resources. At the same time they will have free aircraft for the WWII part of the market. If this attempt goes well, maybe we will see something like Phantom or MiG-31? [B]*NOB* Lucky[/B] [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] Tko vrijedi leti, tko leti vrijedi, tko ne leti ne vrijedi
howie87 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Aww, I was really hoping for multi crew. Been excited about that since DCS Huey was announced and said to be including it in a future release.
outlawal2 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Yeah releasing multicrew trainer that can't be used as a multi user trainer.. Yeah I can see why the mods are so exasperated at us all. Makes perfect sense to provide a non functioning multicrew plane, right? Why would THAT open things up to question? Sorry guys but these ARE legitimate questions and just because you field stupid questions all day long doesn't make it reasonable to say that these questions are stupid and shoot down your customers that ask.. "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
VincentLaw Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I found a photo of the front seat of Miss Velma. Is it safe to assume that this is what the cockpit of DCS: TF-51D will look like? I can't find any shots of the back seat though. Makes perfect sense to provide a non functioning multicrew plane, right?I think some people are overreacting about this. My personal feeling is wanting, but not expecting. I do think it is a logical expectation though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
outlawal2 Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I found a photo of the front seat of Miss Velma. Is it safe to assume that this is what the cockpit of DCS: TF-51D will look like? I can't find any shots of the back seat though. I think some people are overreacting about this. My personal feeling is wanting, but not expecting. I do think it is a logical expectation though. Not overreacting... Just questioning. Last I saw this was a functioning FORUM.. "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
VincentLaw Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 Not overreacting... Just questioning. Last I saw this was a functioning FORUM..I was not accusing a specific person of overreacting. Immediately shooting down the idea of multiseat is just as bad as saying that it makes no sense to release the airplane without it. I understand the value of releasing it now even if the multicrew feature is not ready for implementation yet, but I would also consider it important to update this airplane with multicrew capability when that feature is ready. Since it is essentially a demo airplane, it should demonstrate the capabilities of DCS to the best of its ability. (Since it is a civilian airplane in real life, it is also perfectly reasonable to leave out weapons) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
siipperi Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 I found a photo of the front seat of Miss Velma. Is it safe to assume that this is what the cockpit of DCS: TF-51D will look like? I can't find any shots of the back seat though. I would love if they would make miss velma cockpit, but ai think it's safer to assume it's our current cockpit with maybe atripped down sights. Miss Velma has quite a bit different looking pit, so it would need extra. And it's pretty safe to expect DCS clickpit level pit I would assume. Great because su25t doesn't representate dcs as fine as it could as clickpit.
Silver_Dragon Posted March 31, 2014 Posted March 31, 2014 (edited) By wags: http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2027854&postcount=1 Added FREE TF-51D for DCS World! This is the P-51D with the weapons, radios and rear tank removed with a jump seat added in the back. This does not include dual controls. Edited April 1, 2014 by Silver_Dragon For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
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