What Happened To The Study Sims ?

[TheRandomSqueak]

Exactly... about 6 years of school and training. And then you still have to be the top 3% guy if you want to fly the F-16 ... well that was at least 20 years ago. Don't know how the standards changed till then.

 

 

 

And that's only for the chance to get to fly that thing. Then about 2 years of another training.

 

 

 

 

 

I'm just in middle of the Viper pilot book by Dan Hampton... :music_whistling: :joystick:

 

 

Good book

[Flogger23m]

Then you and I have different definitions of "arcade game", sir, for it darn near is so.

 

It is much closer to study level than it is arcade level which is a fact. Regardless of what your person definition/opinion is.

[BigfootMSR]

My only comment on this thread to the OP is this...

 

You have to also look at the game as a whole from where it came from with BS as a standalone, then A-10 came out. The two games did not even communicate with each other. Eventually, they released BS2 and that got the games talking to each other but still as standalone products.

 

The fact they were communicating with two different aircraft at a study level took an enormous amount of coding effort. They then decided to merge the two together to create a single game to streamline the complexity of having to completely exit the game if you want to switch aircraft ect. This also took a good amount of effort and design to accomplish.

 

Look at where the game as a whole is, compared to where it was and you can see where they have put a lot of development time in. yes, it has not been aircraft, but I think game will only get better and a lot easier to use in the future.

 

Don't forget we are getting a new graphics engine soon! All of our aircraft into the future are going to feel and look amazing as well. There are other study sim aircraft in development and will be coming out in due time.

[Winfield_Gold]

Hmm, lets count

Then we have AH-1G that are likely to release before our children grow up, go to college, graduate, work and finally retire, giving

 

Let's not bag out a 3rd party dev that meets deadlines and has released modules. I completely object to seeing BST bagged out or put in the same context as other 3rd party devs who have said release dates and not been able to meet them.

[104th_Crunch]

DCS F-18 FTW! :)

All I care is that ED are successful and get something out that we all want in addition to their amazing work. They are a one of a kind company.

[MudRat02]

Well the reason why I say the F-16 is because we would just have to hop in the pit with no learning.

 

Despite the desire for something "realistic", probably the most realism-shattering thing you'll ever do is buy a module, and moments later be burning holes in the sky in it.

Edited June 7, 2014 by MudRat02

[Irregular programming]

What's the Engine Stall Recovery or the Main, Standby, and EPU Generator Failure emergency checklist? What are the associated Cautions and Warnings? Surely this will be required if you are to appreciate the systems...

 

Despite the desire for something "realistic", probably the most realism-shattering thing you'll ever do is buy a module, and moments later be burning holes in the sky in it. If anyone should think they know any of these aircraft, they should consider it takes several weeks of dedicated, 0700 - 2130, six days per week study and hour after endless hour of forcing the flight manual into your head before you even hop in a sim, and that's after several years of ab-initio training.

 

Or not. :music_whistling:

[MudRat02]

Or not. :music_whistling:

 

I don't suggest anyone do that (for a sim), but what I said is true.

[Jumbik]

There is still a possibility to learn by trial and error in sims. You cannot afford to do this in real life.

[VincentLaw]

There is still a possibility to learn by trial and error in sims. You cannot afford to do this in real life.

I assume most simmers have experienced catastrophic collisions with the ground. Real pilots, not so much.

[tsumikae]

I assume most simmers have experienced catastrophic collisions with the ground. Real pilots, not so much.

 

And in that department, I'm such a bad ass compared to those sissy real life pilots :D

[Trooper117]

Had both engines fail in a Lynx once during NI training... we managed to slam into the ground and slide to a stop on the skids... very enlightening!

(I wasn't flying it by the way)

Within an hour they had sent another one and we were then told to continue... can't say I wanted to get in it though :)

[Frostie]

Then you and I have different definitions of "arcade game", sir, for it darn near is so.

That's because your definition of an Arcade game is - anything that you're not playing right now, while everyone else has a humble definition that actually makes sense.

[lunaticfringe]

Pwn3d.

[sobek]

That's because your definition of an Arcade game is - anything that you're not playing right now, while everyone else has a humble definition that actually makes sense.

 

I hope this is an april fool's joke. Humility, Mower? Get out. :)

[MudRat02]

Had both engines fail in a Lynx once during NI training... we managed to slam into the ground and slide to a stop on the skids... very enlightening!

(I wasn't flying it by the way)

Within an hour they had sent another one and we were then told to continue... can't say I wanted to get in it though :)

 

That's pretty gnarly.

 

As for Mower, rumour has it he's still saving himself for FighterOps ;)

Edited June 7, 2014 by MudRat02

[FLANKERATOR]

I think that FC has more than half of what a hifi sim needs and the smooth transitioning into implementing more features is still in progress.

 

Marketing-wise, I would do the same (keep feeding the market while improving the product). That is also good to prevent the community from scattering.

 

Seriously, it's about to get AFM's, what's left? clickable cockpits and updated avionics. I personally feel we're heading there, slowly but surely.

 

I'd rather prefer to see FC growing gradually than having to wait forever for a prefect sim that will never be perfect.

[DieHard]

You'd be wrong. Matt posted the very reasoning for even releasing FC3 (and for killing off the FC series at the same time). Why? Study sims was part of it.

 

Where are the non study sim enthusiasts? Look at what has been happening to FC3 full AFM integration. Talk about potential systems intergration for the AFM fighters. You're misunderstanding. The FC3 crowd isn't just survey sim fans. They're the study sim fighter people. As awesome as the A-10 is, it's not a F-15, not even a FC3 level one. There is no option for fighters beyond FC3 as much as the fighter pilots want DCS F-15/Su-27.

 

ED is working on the F-18 which will be the most complex aircraft yet, and in the meantime they've brought in 3rd parties to fill in the gaps and boost product count to levels they could never reach alone. The study sim era wasn't the A-10 and Ka-50. It's not even here yet.

 

I have the VRS F/A-18E Superbug and that sucker IS a study sim. I hope the upcoming DCS version is every bit as thorough.

 

I was disappointed with the Huey and Mustang compared to the more complicated Warthog and Shark, but both are a big deal to fly properly.

[Steel Jaw]

darn near is = isn't [arcade]

 

Not seeking to offend but I call it the way it is (as I see it).

 

I own LOMAC, Fc2, Fc3, A10C, and fly FBMS.

 

Anytime you are flying a virtual jet into combat without having to manage the systems in detail, you in a arcade-survey sim. No AFM is gonna alter that fundamental fact.

Edited April 2, 2014 by Mower

[Steel Jaw]

That's because your definition of an Arcade game is - anything that you're not playing right now, while everyone else has a humble definition that actually makes sense.

 

Nope, I call it the way I see it, and folks like you just dont wanna hear it, sir.

[Steel Jaw]

Comparing FC level planes to arcade games is a bit off I would say.

 

Show me any other arcade flight sim that will do following things to you when certain situations happen...

 

Killing you when you over G.

Tears your wings of when you over G.

Asks you to start up your engines in different way than increasing throttle.

Will not allow you to fire unless you enable your weapons and choose the proper mode.

Will shut off your engine if you fly in a bad manner.

Will require a proper fuel management.

Will not give you radar and instant targeting for any enemy near you.

 

I could continue on and on here...

 

No you cant, not really, but please do if you can.

 

I didnt say FC3 was arcade level, just close to it relatively speaking.

[Steel Jaw]

If you want to give the FC planes a label, call them survey sims. They are definitely not arcade.

 

Agreed.

[Steel Jaw]

It is much closer to study level than it is arcade level which is a fact. Regardless of what your person definition/opinion is.

 

No it is certainly not, what hardcore flight sims have you flown, sir?

 

My list would include Janes F18, FalconBMS, VRS TP Rhino, FSX PMDG aircraft such as the 744 and 777, LDS 763. Those are study sims.

[Steel Jaw]

I have the VRS F/A-18E Superbug and that sucker IS a study sim

 

Yes it is, too bad it aint no tactical combat sim, and may never be even with FSX@War...

 

http://fsxwar.net/

[RagnarDa]

This might be the most beaten to death topic I have ever seen! 84 %&% posts! I doubt anyone is really impressed with what label you put on whatever computer game you think you mastered. Christ!