Mig-15? You're kidding me...

[Grim_Smiles]

In all 3 fights I've had against the MiG-15 so far, it's ended up as a maneuver kill for me. I don't know if the AI just likes flying the MiG-15 into the ground, but even if they do land a hit on me, they don't tend to last much longer before smacking into someone's garden.

 

I only tried one fight with the MiG-15 and it resulted in the MiG crashing. I had figured it was a fluke but obviously I was wrong about that. My fight ended up low over the water and during a turn I got overzealous and spun out - couldn't recover in time so I plowed into the water. After impact I hit F2 to see what the MiG was doing and he dove into the drink after me, so we both died. I'm going to just call that fight a draw.

[MVSokie]

you crashed first...its a draw in his favor :)

[statrekmike]

I was inspired by this thread and finally managed to take a MiG-15 down with a guns in the Sabre.

 

It was a tough fight but I found that if you can get in close and start taking shots, he can't really do much about it other than turn with you, eventually, that made him drop his speed enough that he could not get away.

 

After a very long time, I was able to get him in my gunsight at a range that I could start really shooting, thankfully he went down.

 

Good thing he did, I was down to just enough fuel to get home.

[ivo]

yes AI is very hard....it is stupid because there is four type of choose average-good-high- excellent

 

Then make average very easy for dummies, good easy, hight hard, and excellent very very hard.

This is more symple.......at moment for me the game like P-51 is no playable. I hate it

[Scrim]

Well, got my first one in MiG Sweep, though I can't say I'm excited about it. In fact, I'm more excited over the time I took down a few A-10Cs with the Sabre. The only reason I got one was because of a lucky snapshot, not because of any skill involved. Sure, the added numbers gave a better chance, but A, the AI took down every other Sabre within minutes, B, it was just impossible to see if I was going after a Sabre or a MiG until it was too late to position myself for a shot, because apparently we don't need smart scaling in DCS :doh:

 

 

And just in case someone decides I need to get slammed because all of those things is because I don't know what I'm doing: These are issues that I only encounter in DCS. In no other sim have I ever had these issues.

[NineLine]

Well, got my first one in MiG Sweep, though I can't say I'm excited about it. In fact, I'm more excited over the time I took down a few A-10Cs with the Sabre. The only reason I got one was because of a lucky snapshot, not because of any skill involved. Sure, the added numbers gave a better chance, but A, the AI took down every other Sabre within minutes, B, it was just impossible to see if I was going after a Sabre or a MiG until it was too late to position myself for a shot, because apparently we don't need smart scaling in DCS :doh:

 

 

And just in case someone decides I need to get slammed because all of those things is because I don't know what I'm doing: These are issues that I only encounter in DCS. In no other sim have I ever had these issues.

 

How many MiG 15's do you shoot down with F-86F's in other sims?

[Mirtma]

How many MiG 15's do you shoot down with F-86F's in other sims?

 

:music_whistling: :thumbup:

[MVSokie]

I have IL2 1946 with the HSFX mod and I fly the F-86 in it, the mig-15 in there is not any easier maybe even a little harder.

[NineLine]

I have IL2 1946 with the HSFX mod and I fly the F-86 in it, the mig-15 in there is not any easier maybe even a little harder.

 

How many houses have you killed with F-86F's in other sims ;)

[MVSokie]

:D on purpose or on accident?

[Maico249th]

I fly IL2 F86 in 8vs8. I Maybe get 3 on a good day.

[USARStarkey]

I have IL2 1946 with the HSFX mod and I fly the F-86 in it, the mig-15 in there is not any easier maybe even a little harder.

 

1. This is not an official Il2 product.

2. This is Il2, a game whose FM's are known to be suspect.

3. Which Mig vs Which Sabre?

4. No-one said the mig shouldn't be challenging, just not a space ship.

5. If you are referring to Il2s mig ai, il2 has a known issue where ai are not affected by drag in the same manner as the human players. Amongst many other silly ai features, such as the 20G spiral dive defense.

Edited July 30, 2014 by USARStarkey

[Rabbit_]

I don´t know, how difficult it is to down the AI Mig-15 in Sabre. Still not sure about buying it,...BUT...I think it´s always good, to have a solid challenge in the sim. Well, it´s hardcore and it should be challenging. Almost every time I buy some module, I hate myself, because I suck badly at it. And I mean BADLY!

But DCS is a study sim. I love helicopters and it, of course, needs a lot of time to get used to, to learn to anticipate its movements and so on.....for first few hours, I juggle that shit all over the place. It´s like the pilot is having a seizure or something.

And that is the beauty of the simulation. Getting better, knowing more about the aircraft or helicopter, getting it in the hands, starting to use proper procedures....

So if You suck at dogfighting and You don´t know, what is wrong....dig the net. Look at YT or right here in the forum. People always chit-chating about all kinds of stuff and already now, You have a lot of amazing (good job, guys) examples, how to trash that Mig.

Damn that´s long...:)

[MVSokie]

yea they are tough in that sim, but everything i read says they were very evenly matched, it was our vet pilots and the gunsight on the 86 that made alot of the difference and i read in another thread in here someone said we had G-suits that made us able to pull more Gs. what about the Soviet pilots that are confirmed to have flown some of those migs? would they had G-suits? goes without question they had vet pilots.

[MVSokie]

I realize it is not official but that was not the original question, and it is the F-86F-25E and the 25L vs the Mig-15(bis) 1952

The Mig-15 in DCS has been stated MANY times it is WIP and is not finished, these arguments are invalid until the product is in a finished state then it can be picked apart. until then I agree the Mig-15 seems to shoot off like a rocket, so Im hoping this is in the works to be fixed later as I hope to hear the actual F-86 sounds instead of the default engine and the Gau-8 guns. im done.

[Scrim]

How many MiG 15's do you shoot down with F-86F's in other sims?

 

I've not played another F-86 sim. Not that it matters, as what I very clearly wrote is that the issue isn't the module, but how DCS overall works. The issue is not the Sabre nor the MiG, the issue is that even at short ranges, it's impossible to determine if something is a Sabre or a MiG. It is not even possible to see planes at distances that IRL would have them very visible.

 

This is exactly why DCS is a study sim. Because in the long run, few people find any enjoyment in playing even MP missions, where they at least don't have to coop with a ridiculous AI adversary. In most other sims, the learning part is the path to the fun, whereas in DCS, many find that the learning is the only fun. If DCS would attract more people in the long run, maybe the developers wouldn't be struggling to just make ends meat, but actually make a solid profit? Why is it that wishes to change this are almost always meat with such hostility?

[MVSokie]

I know what you mean Rabbit, I love flying the UH-1H and My father used to fly the real thing in Vietnam, so im constantly bugging him for advice and he laughs at me and tells me I look like a drunken monkey flying it.

[NineLine]

Why is it that wishes to change this are almost always meat with such hostility?

 

Hostility? I havent been hostile with anyone... there are 3 issues here as I see it.

 

1) MiG is heavily a WIP.

2) AI is too good at times.

3) This is a new aircraft to ALL of us.

 

WHat??? He didnt list the ability to distinguish aircraft... sure I did... its #1 & #3... as you fly more, you will get better and picking up the MiG, as the MiG is still getting worked on, it means the model itself is still be tweaked... LODs, damage model etc... Also as its new to us, its hard to pick them out from each other... because we arent trained to see them yet... sure other aspects may need to be improved.... I hope EDGE will help this as well... but dont fly it for a week and complain you are not an Ace... we all need time to learn and master... if you do it in a day... why bother.... where is the fun there.

[Scrim]

And yet again, this has absolutely nothing to do with either the Sabre or the MiG. This has to do with the fact that the AI has always been nothing short of an unparalleled wizard at energy control, makes no mistakes, and the fact that the visual range for the MK1 eyeball in DCS is that of a new born kitten.

 

I could do the same thing with the F-15 against a MiG-29, and it would be absolutely the same. The only difference would be that A, the -29 is a lot bigger, so I'd spot it easier, and B, an F-15C vs a MiG-29 are pretty much just going to do BVR. That's why DCS has been getting away with an immaculate AI and planes nearly invisible at short to medium ranges.

DCS won't be getting away with those things when the WW2 planes start coming out. At that stage a lot of people will most likely give up on DCS, or rather on the WW2 aspect of it.

[NineLine]

And yet again, this has absolutely nothing to do with either the Sabre or the MiG. This has to do with the fact that the AI has always been nothing short of an unparalleled wizard at energy control, makes no mistakes, and the fact that the visual range for the MK1 eyeball in DCS is that of a new born kitten.

 

I could do the same thing with the F-15 against a MiG-29, and it would be absolutely the same. The only difference would be that A, the -29 is a lot bigger, so I'd spot it easier, and B, an F-15C vs a MiG-29 are pretty much just going to do BVR. That's why DCS has been getting away with an immaculate AI and planes nearly invisible at short to medium ranges.

DCS won't be getting away with those things when the WW2 planes start coming out. At that stage a lot of people will most likely give up on DCS, or rather on the WW2 aspect of it.

 

 

Well then, you need to read the thread title... you are in the wrong thread.

[westr]

When edge is released there will hopefully be better lighting effects that may make aircraft easier to spot. The point is things are being improved constantly and this can't be said of all sims.

[audax]

At least it is better than simulation battles in War Thunder ;)

[MVSokie]

At least it is better than simulation battles in War Thunder ;)

LOL amen too that....

[Exorcet]

I don't think the issue with the MiG is unsolvable. Though I'm surprised by the flight model, I don't know how it ended up in its current form. Most other aircraft are reasonable, and rather than be annoyed at the the AI's perfect flying I find myself more bothered by their choice of tactics, all seeing nature, and built in thrust vectoring when in a 20 knot vertical climb.

 

Things I want to see the AI do in general is to stop responding to everything by going vertical, have the ability to lose sight of other aircraft - and with that knowledge of what it is doing, and to have harsher penalties for stalling themselves (which would go back to the first point).

 

As far as WWII style combat goes, I don't think it will be so bad even with current issues. For the Fw-190 contest I basically plopped a million P-51 with a million Fw-190 and a million C-130 for contrails in a mission. With a density of aircraft like that it wasn't so bad finding things to shoot, and the AI, if inadvertently, would watch my back (though I did notice that enemy AI like to chase players more than other AI).

 

The AI does need an overhaul though, I don't think yet that ED is completely ignoring the issue, but how they operate is not entirely clear. I do wish they would go back to more open communication. I know they say they stopped because of negative feedback, but the feedback was not exclusively negative.

[JG-1_Vogel]

I don't know if it's still the case, but I remember in FC2 I think it was flying behind hills in say a MiG-29 and my F-16 opponent knew EXACTLY where I was and adjusted to intercept me despite not being able to see me. It continued to adjust course to my every move so it wasn't as if it was "guesstimating" where I would be from my last known position.

 

I just hope that such issues will soon be behind us. Once EDGE is out, and the foundation is solid there needs to be some serious bug squishing going on :).