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Hello. How do you activate the IR pointer on the TGP?

I have my TGP and NVG's on, Laser Arm is on, IR is selected on the TGP screen and P is displayed by the reticle. But when I look outside I can't see the IR pointer. What am I missing?

 

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If I remember correctly, you should use it exactly the same way as a laser, i.e. you have to press the Nosewheel Button... never done that, but I guess that's it.

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Just an FYI. The laser time set to 10 is a standard for all laser brevity designations.

 

10 seconds is necessary for the laser seeker head to find and track the laser energy as it spills off the target. Longer than ten seconds and you risk having a LGB model (bang-bang) jinking too much in the air to make sure it gets to the laser and will fall short of the laser because it can bleed all its energy quickly.

 

Enjoy.

 

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Just an FYI. The laser time set to 10 is a standard for all laser brevity designations.

 

10 seconds is necessary for the laser seeker head to find and track the laser energy as it spills off the target. Longer than ten seconds and you risk having a LGB model (bang-bang) jinking too much in the air to make sure it gets to the laser and will fall short of the laser because it can bleed all its energy quickly.

 

Enjoy.

 

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Just an FYI. The laser time set to 10 is a standard for all laser brevity designations.

 

Are you referring to the Brevity "10 SECONDS"? As far as I know this is a informative call telling reciever that you will call "LASER ON" in app. 10 seconds.

 

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Hma.

 

"Laser on" is a informative call by brevity.

 

How ever when using a gbu weapon paveway2 in remarks i wod drop to the pilot " all standard laser brevity applies.

 

And maybe I didnt get it but the pilot would call "laser on". The jtac would call " lasing 1688 " for example.

 

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Are you referring to the Brevity "10 SECONDS"? As far as I know this is a informative call telling reciever that you will call "LASER ON" in app. 10 seconds.

 

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In DCS World you can use it to share targets between Combined Arms / Huey / A-10.

 

Anyone with NVGs will see the green line and be able to either 'match sparkle' or fly to it.

 

It's great fun.

 

if I remember correctly, nvg equipped enemies will spot the ir point / laser beam as well, right?

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if I remember correctly, nvg equipped enemies will spot the ir point / laser beam as well, right?

 

 

Yes. There is no such thing as an IR freq/code for the IR beam which only makes it visible to certain NVGs tuned to that freq/code. Atleast not in DCS.

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IR pointer and the "laser to designate" are both lasers. They "light amplify". Dont think I spelt that right.

 

With that said as DCS becomes cooler on MP you guys are right. Anyone with NVG can see much of the IR spectrum. However such devices do exist for air and ground forces to pick up a "laser designation" on a code. That would be on my list of toys from DCS so that ground forces by day and night could see the laser on target and have a very slim chance of the enemy force seeing it as well. I would not use code 1688. Its pretty popular.

 

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For the purposes of brevity in practice Laser means the thing that paints a target for guidance. Pointer means the laser pointer that'll get the 40 foot cat tromping through downtown Baghdad to go nuts.

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It's called laser and light decipline gentlemen. Currently in multiple theaters their are android phones made in China that can pick up all IR emissions. Aka ir spot and ir pointer capabilities. Nowadays only time that stuff comes on is when you pull the trigger or drop a bomb.

Biggest confusion I see in the dcs world ranks is people assuming an Ir pointer can provide guidance to ordnance just like the laser Designator. Well obviously it can't but is a very useful tool for night operations both ground and air.

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It's called laser and light decipline gentlemen. Currently in multiple theaters their are android phones made in China that can pick up all IR emissions. Aka ir spot and ir pointer capabilities. Nowadays only time that stuff comes on is when you pull the trigger or drop a bomb.

Biggest confusion I see in the dcs world ranks is people assuming an Ir pointer can provide guidance to ordnance just like the laser Designator. Well obviously it can't but is a very useful tool for night operations both ground and air.

 

Actually you can set it to both on the TGP so you can IR point and bomb a target at the same time.

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Yes you can but the ir pointer has nothing to do with weapon guidance. It's just a visual reference tool.

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If we go around saying things like "see the laser on target" then people will get confused; IMHO, of course.

 

We can only "see" the Pointer, and that with NVGs.

 

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