dagandolfo Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 Sorry if this is a dumb question but I cant seem to google the answer myself. The Mig-15 has bis after the model number and ive seen the mig 21 with bis and without. can someone explain what bis means as i cant find the answer myself.
Ktulu2 Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 Bison I think I do DCS videos on youtube : https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAs8VxtXRJHZLnKS4mKunnQ?view_as=public
rrohde Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 Latin for second; so "bis" is the 2nd variant of that particular model. Also used by other countries, e.g. the French tank "Char B1 bis". PC: AMD Ryzen 9 5950X | MSI Suprim GeForce 3090 TI | ASUS Prime X570-P | 128GB DDR4 3600 RAM | 2TB Samsung 870 EVO SSD | Win10 Pro 64bit Gear: HP Reverb G2 | JetPad FSE | VKB Gunfighter Pro Mk.III w/ MCG Ultimate VKBcontrollers.com
Namenlos Ein Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 “Bis” is a prefix or suffix designating the second instance of a thing. For example, Polikarpov I-15bis.
JayPee Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 (edited) Stupid Question? What does 'bis' mean? Ancient Latin to be precise, yes but Russian isn't based on Latin. Hence I wonder if Bis is an indicitation of second in this context. Just verified, Russian has definitely no links to Latin, it is a Slavic language. Edited February 28, 2015 by JayPee i7 4790K: 4.8GHz, 1.328V (manual) MSI GTX 970: 1,504MHz core, 1.250V, 8GHz memory
Puma Posted February 28, 2015 Posted February 28, 2015 Not a stupid question! I had no idea either. Learn something every day. Thanks guys. Custom Pit 476 Recruiting i9-12900KF, 32 GB DDR5, Gigabyte Aorus Z690 Master, Gigabyte RTX 2080 Ti, 1TB Sabrent Roket 4+ 2x750GB RAID-0, TrackIR 5 /w clip, CRG9 49” Curved Ultrawide Flight Display+15" Touchscreen+17" Gauges display, Thrustmaster Warthog+7.5cm, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, Streamdeck, Butt Kicker and pneumatic G-Seat
PiedDroit Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 I couldn't find any official source either, only guesses on various websites, but as said above the most reasonable explanation is "second" of "plus". However the Bison is something different.
Picksplitter Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Not a stupid question! I had no idea either. ditto from here... at this point in my evolution, tis true, I learn something new every day... the trick seems to be remembering what I learned yesterday :music_whistling: Acer AMD Phenom II x 4 840T, 16 gb. memory, Zotac GTX580 Amp2 3GB, 40" Philips tv, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Saitek Combat Rudders , Cougar MFCD's w/ 21.5" LG monitor, DSD Track Master button box, 3rd. century Roman field comanders helmet w/ Track IR 5, Windows 7 Home P. “God is a comedian, playing to an audience that's afraid to laugh.”... Voltaire "Diplomacy is the practiced art of being able to confidently say 'nice doggie' until you find a rock" ... Tom Clancy
panzerd18 Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Bis and Bison are different variants of the Mig-21. The Bison is the newer variant.
Andrei Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Ancient Latin to be precise, yes but Russian isn't based on Latin. Hence I wonder if Bis is an indicitation of second in this context. Just verified, Russian has definitely no links to Latin, it is a Slavic language. Despite Russian being in a different language group, бис pretty much means what people have already indicated here: second. It's a borrowed word, same as "computer" for instance :) AMD R7 5800X3D | Aorus B550 Pro | 32GB DDR4-3600 | RTX 4080 | VKB MGC Pro Gunfighter Mk III + STECS + VKB T-Rudder Mk4 | Pimax Crystal FC3 | A-10C II | Ка-50 | P-51 | UH-1 | Ми-8 | F-86F | МиГ-21 | FW-190 | МиГ-15 | Л-39 | Bf 109 | M-2000C | F-5 | Spitfire | AJS-37 | AV-8B | F/A-18C | Як-52 | F-14 | F-16 | Ми-24 | AH-64 | F-15E | F-4 | CH-47 NTTR | Normandy | Gulf | Syria | Supercarrier | Afghanistan | Kola
JayPee Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Thank you Andrei, didn't think of that. i7 4790K: 4.8GHz, 1.328V (manual) MSI GTX 970: 1,504MHz core, 1.250V, 8GHz memory
vvm13 Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 As Russian I can to say that Russian language contains lot of (borrowed) latin, greeks, tatar, dutch, german, french, italian, and english words. I think that "bis" we got from Italian. It may be something like "second" and "once again". (Sorry for my English). 1
voodoo.child Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 Remember, English is a Germanic language... yet we use a ton of Latin in English a capite ad calcem, ipso facto. We use it ad nauseum even. et cetera, et cetera... Other languages use Latin too... Russian is no different. 1
dagandolfo Posted March 1, 2015 Author Posted March 1, 2015 Ah, latin eh? Thanks for the education. I'd encountered google hits which referred to bison, so i thought it was the nato designation. then i noticed other planes also used bis so the tiny brain got confused and had to ask the question. cheers guys watch this space for daft questions.
JayPee Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 According to the Wiki (yeah, yeah, don't shoot me), the first production variant of the 15 had the Bis suffix, so given this I wonder which one was the actual first one... i7 4790K: 4.8GHz, 1.328V (manual) MSI GTX 970: 1,504MHz core, 1.250V, 8GHz memory
emg Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) Remember, English is a Germanic language... yet we use a ton of Latin in English a capite ad calcem, ipso facto. We use it ad nauseum even. et cetera, et cetera... Other languages use Latin too... Russian is no different. And via French, words like ambulance, restaurant, lamp, tube, digit and around 60% of the modern english vocabulary. Edited March 1, 2015 by emg
voodoo.child Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 (edited) EMG, funny thing about 'restaurant' and Russian... the Cyrillic screws with English speakers because you think you know what the letters are from the Latin alphabet we use... key word is 'think'. It's written: Pictope... Americans think 'Pick-toe-pay' means restaurant in Russian... but in Cyrillic, P = R, C = S... it's 'Ristore' (Rees-stow-ray'). I am sure some of the Russian speakers here could chime in with a few chuckles at westerners eating in 'picktopays'... And more Russian/French/Restaurant fun... Bistro... French word right? Nope... Russian. It comes from the Napoleonic wars, Cossack mercenaries. Bistra means 'fast' or 'quickly'... they kept asking for food more quickly because they were short on time 'Bistra! Bistra!'... so French 'fast food' restaurants of the day became... Bistros. Just some random linguistic trivia for the day... (I speak some Russian but am far from fluent, still, glad I learned what I did and enjoy the occasional chance to practice) Edited March 1, 2015 by voodoo.child
emg Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 And more Russian/French/Restaurant fun... Bistro... French word right? Nope... Russian. It comes from the Napoleonic wars, Cossack mercenaries. Bistra means 'fast' or 'quickly'... they kept asking for food more quickly because they were short on time 'Bistra! Bistra!'... so French 'fast food' restaurants of the day became... Bistros. Haha, excellent. :book: Btw I've heard modern english being described as a result of Norman men-at-arms trying to pick up Saxon tavern maids. In regards to that, note that "fick" is a german word that remains in modern english, in slightly modified form... I hope none of the germanophone mods read this forum ;).
voodoo.child Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 English is a mongrel language if ever there was one... We lifted from Hindu too... Shampoo, pajamas and others...
joey45 Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 There is no 'English' language of sorts.. The only way to make sense out of change is to plunge into it, move with it, and join the dance. "Me, the 13th Duke of Wybourne, here on the ED forums at 3 'o' clock in the morning, with my reputation. Are they mad.." https://ko-fi.com/joey45
Picksplitter Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 There is no 'English' language of sorts.. I had a professor tell me once that the only thing you can be certain about with the English language is that it's constantly changing... read plagiarizing other languages....:music_whistling: Acer AMD Phenom II x 4 840T, 16 gb. memory, Zotac GTX580 Amp2 3GB, 40" Philips tv, Thrustmaster HOTAS Warthog, Saitek Combat Rudders , Cougar MFCD's w/ 21.5" LG monitor, DSD Track Master button box, 3rd. century Roman field comanders helmet w/ Track IR 5, Windows 7 Home P. “God is a comedian, playing to an audience that's afraid to laugh.”... Voltaire "Diplomacy is the practiced art of being able to confidently say 'nice doggie' until you find a rock" ... Tom Clancy
emg Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 English is a mongrel language if ever there was one... We lifted from Hindu too... Shampoo, pajamas and others... Been a two way(hundred way?) street for a century or two now!
Yurgon Posted March 1, 2015 Posted March 1, 2015 In regards to that, note that "fick" is a german word that remains in modern english, in slightly modified form... I hope none of the germanophone mods read this forum ;). Interestingly enough, the original meaning of this word in German was "to move something around", it later became "to screw someone/to fool someone/to set someone up" until it got its more modern meaning, which is the same as its English language counterpart. Yup, languages can be lots of fun. :D
emg Posted March 2, 2015 Posted March 2, 2015 I've read the mandarin word for that is formed by the characters for "meat" and "enter"...:censored:
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