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[Mayo2017]

New planes will be great! I'll buy anything with te same quality of the mig-21. But I'm really more interested about a new scenarios. The Baltic or even a little island in the middle of the pacific would be great for a change.

Planes you have to learn to fly them, a new map will be a joy from start.

 

Don't do this to me. A theatre with Finland in it would give me a heart attack, and I'd buy it even if I hated the plane.

[Fracture]

This hint was for the announcement of the Tomcat and about the US Marines. None of the Tornado countries has flying marines as far as I know. The Tornado has been used by the german navy though from 1981 to 2005.

 

 

 

Are you 100% sure that hint was for the Tomcat? I don't remember.

 

Either way, I could see The Marines being interested in it. And that fits the nature of the hint. :)

[kolga]

What about the A-7? didn't it have some sort of tilting wing, or was it just the F-8?

I think it has ground radar. it probably has a CRT too. just an idea

[Skjold]

To bring this back to the topic of speculation.

 

Tornado fits almost all of the non-Viggen clues:

 

Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar

"The Tornado incorporates a combined navigation/attack doppler radar that simultaneously scans for targets and conducts fully automated terrain-following for low-level flight operations."

 

Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters

"The Tornado is cleared to carry the majority of air-launched weapons in the NATO inventory."

 

Custom shaders for enhanced visual fidelity (e.g. CRT Screen representation)

"CRT monitor, multi-function display"

 

Unique visual features (In-pilot customization, etc.)

"Keeping up foreign relations"

 

New audio cues and enhanced fidelity

"would apply to all modules"

 

Far more complex avionic and computer systems than in the MiG-21

"fly-by-wire system, multi-function display"

 

New and unique PFM features and aerodynamic configurations

"variable-geometry wing"

 

New or unique methods of propulsion or force distribution

" thrust reverser-equipped engines, much like the Viggen"

 

Marines didn't use it but you would have expected them to.

"High value in the Tornado's short-field take-off and landing (STOL) performance."

 

Just some added fuel to the speculation fire. :)

 

I would love a Tornado or a Viggen, both would be great additions.

[greco.bernardi]

United States Marine Corps had Harriers in service.....

I dont know if Harrier can use ground mapping.

 

But it answered all other questions!

Edited October 16, 2015 by greco.bernardi

[greco.bernardi]

Harrier can do ground mapping too.

 

I think it answers all the questions.....And United States Marine Corps had Harriers!

 

SENSORS

 

The FA2 Harrier is fitted with a BAE SYSTEMS Blue Vixen pulse Doppler all-weather radar. Blue Vixen is a multi-mode radar which performs ground mapping and surface target detection and tracking, in addition to long-range look-up and look-down detection and tracking of aircraft. The radar also interfaces to the AMRAAM missile system.

Edited October 16, 2015 by greco.bernardi

[King_Hrothgar]

I don't think any Harriers carried RB-04 anti-ship missiles though. And that little hint is what solidified the Viggen as the only likely option for the "modern" plane. Besides, the Harrier (UK variant) is on VEAO's wishlist and I think it's also on RAZBAM's list (AV-8B) for 2nd or 3rd project after the Mirage 2000C.

[BlackLion213]

I don't think any Harriers carried RB-04 anti-ship missiles though. And that little hint is what solidified the Viggen as the only likely option for the "modern" plane.

 

+1

 

Honestly, I would be astounded if the "modern" module turned out to be anything, but the Viggen.

 

It's the only aircraft that really fits all the hints (including the brief Cobra avatar of the RB 04 - which I saw with my own eyes), plus all the new tech required for the Viggen (ground radar, thrust reversers, 1st DCS module that is a delta with canards, and the advanced functions of the RB 04) are all spelled out in the recent LNS September update.

 

They include, but are not limited to for example;

 

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• Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar
  
  
• Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters
  
  
• Custom shaders for enhanced visual fidelity (e.g. CRT Screen representation)
  
  
• Unique visual features (In-pilot customization, etc.)
  
  
• New audio cues and enhanced fidelity
  
  
• Far more complex avionic and computer systems than in the MiG-21
  
  
• New and unique PFM features and aerodynamic configurations
  
  
• New or unique methods of propulsion or force distribution
  
  

 

 

The RB 04 has some novel features not currently seen in another DCS missile (as far as I know :)). Specifically, it is a fire-and-forget anti-ship missile with some degree of auto-acquisition including the ability to automatically lock-on to strong ECM emissions (pretty cool).

 

To date, nothing has contradicted the Viggen possibility either, nor does it require Jester AI for multi-crew (I genuinely believe that the Tomcat is the 1st multi-crew module).

 

In short, I feel ~90% certain that the LNS modules are the Viggen (to be announced 2nd) and the F4U-1 (part of DCS: WWII PTO) with possibly another surprise that is part of the PTO project.

 

Also, here is another summary of the clues by Tirak:

 

This thread isn't a wish list, it's the speculation thread. That means that if you think a module will be that plane, you've got to have a reason to back it up, and not the 'oh well i want it" or "DCS Needs It" or the ever popular "IT'LL SELL SUPER DUPER WELL". Reasoned, intelligent arguments based on the clues.

 

F4U Corsair

 

1. Leatherneck indicating one of their modules is WWII
   
   
2. Leatherneck indicating one of their upcoming modules will have a tie to the company name: "Leatherneck Simulations", Leatherneck being slang in the US for Marine.
   
   
3. Cobra's Black Sheep Avatar, signifying VMA-214, who's WWII aircraft include the F4F Wildcat and the F4U Corsair.
   
   
4. This last is an extrapolation, that the F4U is more likely than the F4F due to the fact that VEAO is coming out with an F4F, and that the F4U was featured in the Black Sheep television series, which was about VMA-214
   
   
5. The hastily removed picture on the ED facebook of a new F4U Corsair model.
   
   

SAAB 37 Viggen

 

1. Cobra's image of an RB-04 Anti Shipping Missile, only used on the Tunnan, Lansen and Viggen.
   
   
2. Immediately after Cobra's previous avatar was discovered, he changed it to a Swedish Emblem.
   
   
3. The introduction of new Swedish members to the team.
   
   
4. Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar
   
   
5. Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters
   
   
6. New or unique methods of propulsion or force distribution, the Viggen being one of the few military fighter aircraft with a thrust reverser.
   
   
7. the Tomcat lead up announcements indicating Cats and Ducks, Viggen can be translated as a kind of Tufted Duck.
   
   

Please provide your more numerous, better fitting clues for other aircraft. This is the Speculation thread, not the wishlist thread.

 

I really don't think that things are too ambiguous...I just really want to see the pictures and videos. :D

 

-Nick

[greco.bernardi]

Harrier is a ugly plane for me....

I´m waiting for f14 (i need to buy and fly this plane) and if i can takeoff and land on a carrier i will be a happy man!

 

Well.....I will buy all another plane like a ...f111, f4 phanton, tornado, AH1 skyraider, migs, f5, f16, f4u and ww2 dive and torpedo bombers. A DCS:Zero will be dream.

 

Almost all modules that i wanted and did released or at prepurchase i bought then....

I will wait the news to see what surprises they bringing for us!

[dartuil]

VEAO have Typhoon , Razbam have M2000C why not LN come with Gripen or a Russian fighter?

Su-30 and im happy.

[SandMartin]

I want mig23, for us-syrian conflict, or iran iraq war (f14 vs mig23), and f-16a blk15 netz for israel-syrian war (f-16 vs mig21 and 23), with persian gulf terrain ofcouse..

 

But maybe F-117A Nighthawk? (microprose fleet defender 2.0 we will got with dcs f-14, and next will stealthfighter 3.0)..

Why not?))

Edited October 17, 2015 by SandMartin

[DimitryNZ]

To bring this back to the topic of speculation.

 

Tornado fits almost all of the non-Viggen clues:

 

Ground Mapping and Targeting Radar

"The Tornado incorporates a combined navigation/attack doppler radar that simultaneously scans for targets and conducts fully automated terrain-following for low-level flight operations."

 

Complex missiles with Advanced Targeting Parameters

"The Tornado is cleared to carry the majority of air-launched weapons in the NATO inventory."

 

Custom shaders for enhanced visual fidelity (e.g. CRT Screen representation)

"CRT monitor, multi-function display"

 

Unique visual features (In-pilot customization, etc.)

"Keeping up foreign relations"

 

New audio cues and enhanced fidelity

"would apply to all modules"

 

Far more complex avionic and computer systems than in the MiG-21

"fly-by-wire system, multi-function display"

 

New and unique PFM features and aerodynamic configurations

"variable-geometry wing"

 

New or unique methods of propulsion or force distribution

" thrust reverser-equipped engines, much like the Viggen"

 

Marines didn't use it but you would have expected them to.

"High value in the Tornado's short-field take-off and landing (STOL) performance."

 

Just some added fuel to the speculation fire. :)

 

These statements also largely fit for the SU-24M as well. I believe that the SU-24M would be better than the Viggen or Tornado IMHO. Why? The aircraft is late 60's (initial first flights) - early 70's era with its avionics, systems, sensors and armaments dating in the late 70's - early 80's period. This means that the aircraft, unlike aircraft such as the Tornado, shouldn't be as classified and thus would be more realistic due to the age and global use of this aircraft (as numerous developed and developing countries used/are using this aircraft). In addition, the variable wing 2-seat supersonic attack aircraft would fit in well in the Caucasus map (as countries such as Ukraine are still using it) and can undertake anti-ship, ground, air and radar missions. This aircraft would dominate attack/strike missions with the help and escort of the other 2-seat F14 air-to-air fighter.

[Dahlbeck]

Main problem: The SU-24 is a two-seater...

[Gargoil]

Main problem: The SU-24 is a two-seater...

 

So is F-14... They are developing AI systems

[Dahlbeck]

Yeah, but the unknown project is due for release this year.

[DimitryNZ]

So is F-14... They are developing AI systems

 

In addition, the seating arrangement is side by side as opposed to the F14's front and rear arrangement. This is good as that means the pilot can watch (and interact with) the weapon systems operator's screens/systems and oversee their every single right and wrong move :smilewink:

[DimitryNZ]

Yeah, but the unknown project is due for release this year.

 

True to an extent, but would the speculated/debated Viggen be a more realistic aircraft to come out then the SU-24M as they are both cold-war era aircraft with advanced systems.

Edited October 17, 2015 by DimitryNZ

[Brisse]

Su-24M is still in service. I doubt information is easy to come by despite it's age.

[QuiGon]

Are you 100% sure that hint was for the Tomcat? I don't remember.

 

Either way, I could see The Marines being interested in it. And that fits the nature of the hint. :)

Yes, I'm pretty sure that's an old hint for the Tomcat.

What Marines are you talking about? US Marines? They need a (helicopter) carrier capable plane and the Tornado isn't one. And the Royal Marines aren't flying at all (apart from a few transport helos).

 

 

To date, nothing has contradicted the Viggen possibility either, nor does it require Jester AI for multi-crew (I genuinely believe that the Tomcat is the 1st multi-crew module).

I'm pretty sure it will be the L-39 ;)

 

 

VEAO have Typhoon , Razbam have M2000C why not LN come with Gripen or a Russian fighter?

Su-30 and im happy.

I want mig23, for us-syrian conflict, or iran iraq war (f14 vs mig23), and f-16a blk15 netz for israel-syrian war (f-16 vs mig21 and 23), with persian gulf terrain ofcouse..

 

But maybe F-117A Nighthawk? (microprose fleet defender 2.0 we will got with dcs f-14, and next will stealthfighter 3.0)..

Why not?))

This is not a wishlist thread guys. It's a specualation thread about which aircraft are most likely in development and not what we wish to be.

Edited October 17, 2015 by QuiGon

[DimitryNZ]

Su-24M is still in service. I doubt information is easy to come by despite it's age.

 

Whilst it is still in service (mainly now in a few Middle Eastern and African nations), the current SU-24M2 variant (one of the main Russian variants still in use) has significantly different weapons and avionic systems. In addition, the aircraft is also being rapidly replaced by the recent SU-34. Then again, there are already many great modules that are and have weapons and avionics systems that are far more recent than the possible SU-24M that have been made for DCS (i.e. KA-50, A10C, SU25 etc), and with VAEO making the 30 years more modern Eurofighter Typhoon (although the impact of the current classifications is debatable), I can't see why the information should be so hard to come by.

[S-GERAT]

Whilst it is still in service (mainly now in a few Middle Eastern and African nations), the current SU-24M2 variant (one of the main Russian variants still in use) has significantly different weapons and avionic systems. In addition, the aircraft is also being rapidly replaced by the recent SU-34. Then again, there are already many great modules that are and have weapons and avionics systems that are far more recent than the possible SU-24M that have been made for DCS (i.e. KA-50, A10C, SU25 etc), and with VAEO making the 30 years more modern Eurofighter Typhoon (although the impact of the current classifications is debatable), I can't see why the information should be so hard to come by.

 

And the ukranians have the SU-24M, so the OTAN probably knows all about it.. there is nothing to hide..

 

But by the hints they provided is going to be a Viggen.. I prefer the Su-24 but I never had interest in the Mig-21 and is my favourite module, so I will be happy with everything they are working..

[BlackLion213]

I'm pretty sure it will be the L-39 ;)

 

I meant by LNS. :)

 

Plus, the L-39 is not a true multi-crew aircraft like the Tomcat, Tornado, Phantom, Su-24, etc. The L-39 can perform all critical flight functions from either seat and can be flown with a single crew member. It is more of a "two place aircraft".

 

The Tomcat needs the RIO for flight operations (even relatively basic stuff) and really needs the RIO for combat. Similar for the other aircraft that I mentioned. This means that you really need an AI system to properly fly those modules.

 

I've tried to perform intercepts in P3D using the Aerosoft Tomcat - intercepting Bears and fighters by switching seats to perform both crew tasks. It's a serious PIA - not practical for something like DCS. Maybe an Su-24 would be slightly easier, but during my Tomcat experiments I was simply flying an intercept trajectory, no real maneuvering, and it was still a flail. I think that any 2-place combat aircraft really will need Jester AI to work, but with Jester AI - should be quite awesome. Another great thing to look forward to.

 

-Nick

[QuiGon]

I meant by LNS. :)

 

Plus, the L-39 is not a true multi-crew aircraft like the Tomcat, Tornado, Phantom, Su-24, etc. The L-39 can perform all critical flight functions from either seat and can be flown with a single crew member. It is more of a "two place aircraft".

 

The Tomcat needs the RIO for flight operations (even relatively basic stuff) and really needs the RIO for combat. Similar for the other aircraft that I mentioned. This means that you really need an AI system to properly fly those modules.

 

I've tried to perform intercepts in P3D using the Aerosoft Tomcat - intercepting Bears and fighters by switching seats to perform both crew tasks. It's a serious PIA - not practical for something like DCS. Maybe an Su-24 would be slightly easier, but during my Tomcat experiments I was simply flying an intercept trajectory, no real maneuvering, and it was still a flail. I think that any 2-place combat aircraft really will need Jester AI to work, but with Jester AI - should be quite awesome. Another great thing to look forward to.

 

-Nick

 

Not just with Jester AI. Multiplayer coop will be totally awesome. Jester won't be able to beat that no matter how good he will be :joystick:

[King_Hrothgar]

Until you get a troll who jettisons all your ordnance and then hops into a plane on the other team. Thinking of which, is there a way to lock the extra seats in your plane so no one can join you? I don't have the L-39, so can't test for myself.

[Jumbik]

Until you get a troll who jettisons all your ordnance and then hops into a plane on the other team. Thinking of which, is there a way to lock the extra seats in your plane so no one can join you? I don't have the L-39, so can't test for myself.

 

Not yet. Either nobody can join or everybody can, but the other person needs to have the module also.