Human RIO advantages?

[Charly_Owl]

I'll be the RIO any time. I already know a couple of people I can fly with. I know that in these old jets the workload is huge. Hell, just look at the MiG-21 and the MiG-15 (which has the most ridiculously inconvenient radio procedure EVER).

 

I am sure once a couple of videos are out (I plan on doing a number of them myself) with a good pilot/RIO team, people will give the RIO a try. It's a more important job than many might think. And I'm sure people don't even suspect how much fun it can be.

[Pikey]

Can't wait to play as a team of two in the same aircraft with a friend and more than happy to work as RIO 50% of the time.

[Chipwich]

Multicrewing in Jane's Longbow 2 with my brother was a ton of fun. We would switch roles every other mission so it never got stale. In fact my other two brothers joined us a couple of times in another Apache during LAN sessions. Was great fun, and yes the no drinking 8 hours before flying rule might have been ignored.

[Hadwell]

I'd love to fly Rio whenever I get the chance, but as a pilot I'd like the option to remove or change or even lock closed the Rio position so I don't get some troll raining on my proverbial parade

[KeyCat]

Awww, that is sorta sad, maybe they could make a section at Match.com to hook up pilots with RIOs :D

 

I'm pretty sure someone will make something similar (i.e a list/meeting place for pilots, gunners, RIO's etc.) as soon as multicrew becomes a reality in DCS.

 

Multicrewing in Jane's Longbow 2 with my brother was a ton of fun. We would switch roles every other mission so it never got stale. In fact my other two brothers joined us a couple of times in another Apache during LAN sessions. Was great fun, and yes the no drinking 8 hours before flying rule might have been ignored.

 

Yea, been longing for multicrew with a "study sim" and modern helis/jets since then - espescially a AH-64 sim! It is possible in IL2 as well as ArmA 3 (and probabaly a few more) but workload for gunner is a bit low.

 

/KC

Edited March 12, 2015 by KeyCat

[Dutchy93]

Can someone list the tasks of a RIO in the F14? I got a general Idea of his tasks but I wonder what else he's got to do....

[Overvolt]

- Radio operator (in F-14, almost all comum radio comunications is going by the RIO)

- Radar operator

- Contermanuvers settings

- Some weapons settings.

 

Really i not a expert in this bird, but this i think is the most commun.

[SageOT]

Whether people choose to use it or not I'm just excited that can now be done. Hopefully the multi-crew is not proprietary and this will be able to open up the crew slots in the Mi-8 and Huey, and maybe encourage a third party to give us a Hind, Alligator, Cobra or Apache. Plus of course the F15E...

 

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[captain_dalan]

Also:

-electronic warfare;

-bingo checks;

-feet wet/feet dry checks;

-extra pair of eyes....

 

I'm sure there is something more we missed....

 

EDIT:

-navigation;

-emergency procedures...

just 2 more quickies that came to mind :)

Edited March 13, 2015 by captain_dalan

[313_Nevo]

I am all for human RIO myslef :)

 

btw I dont think it is in place to compare WWI/II gunner with F14 RIO, while you can get bored like gunner you have lot to do as RIO.

[Alicatt]

PGM designator

[twobells]

I'm afraid you are right. I guess, too few people would find enough satisfaction in taking on the RIO function, no matter how hard, authentic and engaging it is. I would still want a real person in the back though. Just don't ask me what role i prefer ;)

 

I can't wait to try RIO and would get GREAT satisfaction from that role. Tbh, I'v been waiting years for a RIO-role flight sim :-)

[Home Fries]

Wings in my sig say I have no problem with the backseat (though I don't mind driving either).

 

That said, if there's going to be any long-term interest in the RIO position, we'll need the bombcat variant so the RIO can perform buddy lasing. IRL, the Tomcat would be onstation lasing the target while the Hornets would drop the LGBs and get out of the threat area. Worked really well for the division of labor, and also gives the RIO a lot more tactical relevance in the event that the AIM-54 is not a factor.

[ghostdog688]

Human RIO advantages?

 

If course, if it's needed, an a10 or JTAC can buddy lase for a tomcat. It will integrate well in our flight community for that. I've already promised to RIO for one guy in our group.

[turkeydriver]

Can someone list the tasks of a RIO in the F14? I got a general Idea of his tasks but I wonder what else he's got to do....

 

He tells the nose gunner where to go and what to do.....

Seriously, a lot of strike leads are RIOs and they set the navigation and flight profile, do all the talking on the radios, and establish the intercept speed and bearing. The AWG-9 is an old set but the RIO had a lot of great control over what it presented.

 

Also, one of the greatest advantages of a human RIO? Putting veteran pilots in the back seat to teach new guys ACM. This ability alone will be a huge benefit to an virtual squadrons. Can't wait to join one flying this great piece of hardware.

[Rogue Trooper]

I think for me.... if the Apache A comes out, I would find a team mate and we would fly together rotating pilot Rio roles. The banter would be great as would target finding.

A tight situation would be a joy not a work intensive hassle.

Probably in the F-14 you would move from BVR to WVR seamlessly and without fear. whether this is a good thing or a bad thing you will not care... you will have fun finding out.

But as usual with us flight simmers… it will probably be as described above.

I hope not.

[Rogue Trooper]

However, I think at the end of the day it comes down to one thing.... purpose.

The online dynamic campaign is the only way to fulfill that purpose and to reinforce the need for teamwork and it just ain't there in DCS at the moment.

Pay to use dynamic campaign.

[ANGST]

Awww, that is sorta sad, maybe they could make a section at Match.com to hook up pilots with RIOs :D

 

"Backseater searching for stick handler"

[Alicatt]

I, for one, am looking forward to sitting in the back seat, it was my favourite in both Fleet Defender and Tornado.

 

Add me to the RIO list :)

[Dudikoff]

I, for one, am looking forward to sitting in the back seat, it was my favourite in both Fleet Defender and Tornado. Add me to the RIO list :)

 

It was also a necessity to spend time in the back in both of those (much more so in FD, though) made especially easy with that fancy TFR in the Tornado :)

 

I hope some AP altitude stabilization mode could be used in the Tomcat when switching to the RIO position in SP.

Edited March 21, 2015 by Dudikoff

[Cruiser18]

How will the human multicrew be implemented to make pilots actually want a player RIO instead of an AI? Is there not a danger that if you can easily control the AI from the pilot seat that no one wants a human RIO? This is the case with multi-crewed tanks in Red Orchestra 2.

 

 

You are talking to a crowd who enjoys playing games with a shit-ton of physics and buttons just for the hell of it.

 

"Easier" is not in sim enthusiast's dictionary.

[McBlemmen]

I cant wait to fill the RIO role. I'm just gonna play with a real life buddy and switch out on a flight by flight basis , one time i'll be rio , the next flight i'll be doing some of that pilot shit. I may even get this on sale for some friends who dont play flight sims to try and pull them in.

 

As for the OP's question : i'm sure having someone in the back tell you exacly what a bandit is doing (in WVR.. and even in BVR tbh) will be more accurate and detailed then having the AI tell you. That may be for better or worse XD

[Alicatt]

Playing Steelbeasts with my son is quite rewarding when we are sharing an AFV in co-op mode but he is not interested in flight sims and my grandson is still too young tho he does love aircraft and DCS :)

[WildBillKelsoe]

Plus plenty of good cockpit angles for film making... Carrier practice...

 

Even SAM evasion, the extra eyes are indeed helpful.

[Illusive Tabby]

I will say, my friends and I are looking forward to the F-14's multicrew ability for one reason. We all enjoy flight 'sims'.....Should one even consider War Thunder a sim...it's not. But it limits us to only four flying out at once, and there are like, 12 of us. And not all of us can even fly with a joystick. :joystick: