Igla-1V

[Reaper6]

I have read a majority of the posts of whether or not the Ka50 can carry AtoA missiles. And not to beat a dead horse, but there seems to be a lot of vigorous debates of whether or not the Ka50(production model) can carry these weapons.

 

So I spent hours and hours researching both sides of the debate. I'm sure ED will never implement this feature in the Ka50. Which is fine considering I have no problems knocking both helicopters and fixed wing out of the sky with Vikhrs. However, what I have found in my research is....

 

There is a missile produced especially for Russian Attack Helicopters. And it is the Igla-1V, mounted on Mi24, Mi28, Mi35, Mi8, Ka50, and Ka52. The mounting point is here:

 

I'm not trying to start a huge debate, but just to put it out there that it was not just "one" model of the Ka50 that was a test bed. This missile was specifically designed and produced for Combat helicopters.

 

And... your thoughts?

 

Reaper6

[rcjonessnp175]

Well done. I agree would be nice to have and same here vim hrs and guns do a decent enough job but having a dedicated air to air ordinance would be preferred.

[ShuRugal]

I would also love to see this happen, but that loadout page appears to indicate that they would go on weapon stations which do not exist on the KA-50 modeled in the sim.

[Isegrim]

Would be nice.

But YOYO once told us that the KA-50 Simulated in DCS has no cablesystem to use those Iglas. And we should be happy to have the Abris. (I think its still partwise Classified)

[Rongor]

I want to have these on the Mi-8 too then!

[Tarres]

Like the R-73, this Igla mount was only displayed in a mock-up in the 90´s.

 

The outer pylon that carries the Igla it´s now only being tested in the 52. Some Mi-24 of the PVO carried R-60 after the "Mathias Rust incident" for border patrol missions.

 

Mi-24 upgraded to 35M will be able to carry the IGLA too, if pass tests.

 

The 2 KA-50 that were combat tested in Chechenya didn´t have an Abris. They were under control of a KA-29 control helicopter, i don´t remenber what subtype, for targeting and navigation aid.

So, for a "completely real simulation of the operative KA-50", we need to remove the ABRIS.

 

Regards.

Edited April 9, 2015 by Tarres

[Rongor]

All things considered, I always perceived the Ka-50 to be something experimental, a model which never really got introduced in large numbers.

 

A completely real simulation would see more Ka-52. I wouldn't have a problem with giving up ABRIS, but of course it makes no sense to withdraw a feature.

I think ED's development of the Black Shark has ceased anyway. I don't think they will ever touch it again.

[flanker0ne]

The ABRIS it isn't a Specific Military equipment, it is widely available for the Civilian Market also.

 

O.T. I`m working on a mod to bring the actual ABRIS close to that version but the recent update make it unserviceable.

Edited April 9, 2015 by flanker0ne

[Reaper6]

The ABRIS it isn't a Specific Military equipment, it is widely available for the Civilian Market also.

 

O.T. I`m working on a mod to bring the actual ABRIS close to that version but the recent update make it unserviceable.

 

ED definitely needs to update the ABRIS map! I'm wondering how hard it would be to transfer the MAP on the A10 to the Ka50 ABRIS?

 

Reaper6

[Reaper6]

Would be nice.

But YOYO once told us that the KA-50 Simulated in DCS has no cablesystem to use those Iglas. And we should be happy to have the Abris. (I think its still partwise Classified)

 

Well I am "happy" to have the ABRIS, it is very useful at least for me. I'm happy to use Vikhrs for A2A, considering there is no countermeasure for them other than maneuvering(and even then you have to see them being launched). Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Ka50 is the only airframe in DCS that has LWR?

 

Reaper6

[flanker0ne]

I think the A-10 actually have a LWR and a MLW

[WildBillKelsoe]

thats for the 52 variant IIRC..

[BaD CrC]

Please don't bring the a10 map on the Abris. The ABRIS map is great when used in the DCS environment.

 

It is possible to mod the ka 50 to attach Igla missiles on the pylons, it even shows on the HUD and you can lock targets with it, but when you press the trigger, the missile doesn't launch.

[Fri13]

ED definitely needs to update the ABRIS map! I'm wondering how hard it would be to transfer the MAP on the A10 to the Ka50 ABRIS?

 

Reaper6

No no no! The ABRIS map is far better than A-10C has. You can actually see where you are and what is on terrain. If something, it's is other way around.

[whitehot]

hey I'm totally fine with the abris as it is, don't nerf it or something

[GGTharos]

Yes, yes, yes. You're exactly wrong.

 

ABRIS has a limited amount of memory within which it can hold the map in RL. Using the ME/F10 map in ABRIS is actually wrong, but we can 'excuse it' and say that your maintainers pre-loaded a hi-res map of the particular AO you'll be working in.

 

I don't think anything will be done with it though ... but don't expect to see it in the A-10.

 

No no no! The ABRIS map is far better than A-10C has. You can actually see where you are and what is on terrain. If something, it's is other way around.

[Sk1nn3r]

I thought this was a discussion about inputting iglas on the KA-50 and not about who's maps is better then who's.

Edited April 10, 2015 by Sk1nn3r
typo

[GGTharos]

No, it wasn't, because as Reaper6 correctly said: ED is not going to do it.

 

I thought this was a discussion about inputting iglas on the KA-50 and not about who's maps is better then who's.

[flanker0ne]

It's not that bad ;)

[karambiatos]

well if the abris displayed the alt setting on the f-10 map, it'd be more accurate then?

[Reaper6]

It's not that bad ;)

 

Wow, I actually thought maybe the ABRIS map was more detailed in RL. It looks exactly the same. Well don't change a thing then...

 

Reaper6

[Reaper6]

Also... Is it possible to change my original heading from Igla-1v to "A post about totally unrelated topics"?

 

Reaper6

[Rogue Trooper]

Very handy tool is the Abris.

I am fine with the way she is, I would however love an RWR duct taped into the cockpit somewhere just in case some one is locking me up from above..... even if it was mounted on the rear wall!

[dimitriov]

Also... Is it possible to change my original heading from Igla-1v to "A post about totally unrelated topics"?

 

Reaper6

 

Perhaps you could try to attach abris on the outer pylons, and then shoot high res maps on enemy LWS no ?

 

:doh:

 

To come back at the initial post :

 

I yet tried to attach R-73, R-60 (not iglas cause i didn't find the ID) on the pylons of the Kamov. You cannot shoot them like this. You have to modify the category of the missile, getting it from IR to Laser guided weapon. Then it works, but it just has the same behaviour than a big shitty vikhr. So it's useless, you still have to lock the target with the Shkval, and considering that the main utility of an IR missile is that you just have to align the missile nose on the target, using the shkval to have a perfect lock doesn't have any sense.

 

All of this without considering that changing the missile category isn't integrity check safe, and will change it for every airplane of the game (or manpad for the igla).

 

An other possibility would be to code an IR system on the Kamov, but is it possible to make such thing as a modder ? That's the question. I see many 3rd party devs creating IR sensors on various aircrafts, Pat for the Gazelle, M2M for the 2K... But are the datas accessible by modders when finally released ?

 

Nicolas

Edited April 11, 2015 by dimitriov

[Reaper6]

Perhaps you could try to attach abris on the outer pylons, and then shoot high res maps on enemy LWS no ?

 

:doh:

 

To come back at the initial post :

 

I yet tried to attach R-73, R-60 (not iglas cause i didn't find the ID) on the pylons of the Kamov. You cannot shoot them like this. You have to modify the category of the missile, getting it from IR to Laser guided weapon. Then it works, but it just has the same behaviour than a big shitty vikhr. So it's useless, you still have to lock the target with the Shkval, and considering that the main utility of an IR missile is that you just have to align the missile nose on the target, using the shkval to have a perfect lock doesn't have any sense.

 

All of this without considering that changing the missile category isn't integrity check safe, and will change it for every airplane of the game (or manpad for the igla).

 

An other possibility would be to code an IR system on the Kamov, but is it possible to make such thing as a modder ? That's the question. I see many 3rd party devs creating IR sensors on various aircrafts, Pat for the Gazelle, M2M for the 2K... But are the datas accessible by modders when finally released ?

 

Nicolas

 

Well, I guess for starters the Igla-1V is not modeled in the game! As for mounting a Igla on the Ka50, it is in the Weapons database(It's just not named "Igla").

 

I'm actually not sure what you mean by the statement "big shitty Vikhr", considering it's faster and has a longer range than the hellfire! And I am no expert on the hellfire missile, but I'm pretty sure it doesn't have the ability for a proximity fuse. And not to mention there is no counter measure for the Vikhr, unless you see it coming and you can maneuver quick enough to get out of its way.

 

Reaper6