DCS: F-5E!

[NineLine]

We are not doing degraded US aggressor version. They even don't have guns!

But as was said earlier we don't have enough information to proper model 159-1 version of the radar. IF we manage to find something - we will model Mavericks, as far as I know.

 

Good to hear, lets hope for Mavs :D

[mattebubben]

We are not doing degraded US aggressor version. They even don't have guns!

But as was said earlier we don't have enough information to proper model 159-1 version of the radar. IF we manage to find something - we will model Mavericks, as far as I know.

 

You dont have the possibility of contacting either Northrop (now northrop grumman)

or any of the Airforces that Operate/have Operated F-5Es with APQ-159-1s for official documents / manuals?

 

While this might not be possible for single persons i would guess that this kind of contact would be "common" when it comes to developers of Aircraft Modules / Simulator Developers.

Edited November 9, 2015 by mattebubben

[Stratos]

Aviation Classics Issue 19

 

 

Plus the 1977 LATAR ad

 

 

Maybe this guy knows something...

[mattebubben]

Could you please say which country have the F-5 with Mavericks? I mean the maverick upgrade avionic was extensive exported?

 

Atleast Jordan,Morocco,Saudi Arabia,Taiwan And apparently Switzerland Aswell Operates/Operated F-5E with APQ-159-1 Radars that where Maverick compatible.

(Some Also had F-5Fs with APQ-159-2 Radars but most likley not everyone had the need for the Two Seater to be Mav capable)

 

Could also add Austria to this list as the Leased Swiss F-5Es for a few years.

 

More Users that can be added to this list aswell would be Kenya who aquired a 15 Jordanian F-5s (13Es and 2Fs) to complement /replace the Older F-5s they already had.

 

 

A possible Addition to the list could be Yemen who Received

 

14 F-5E/Fs from Taiwan in 1979 (intitially flown by Taiwanese Pilots)

 

But its unclear if these ever got the APQ-159-1 Radar

(like F-5s in Taiwanese service later recived)

 

Most likley are more then these but these are the ones ive been able to find so far.

 

So if you guys happen to be from any of these forums look around on National Forums (since you have the languages) to try to find more info or First hand accounts.

[mattebubben]

Maybe this guy knows something...

 

The LATAR most likley Needed an F-5E with the APQ-159-1 or 159-2 Radars (Television mode on the Radar Display/Scope)

 

Since other F-5Es (unless they had Later Upgrades Ofc) would not have the abillity see the picture from a LATARr / Targeting pod

Edited November 9, 2015 by mattebubben

[Kev2go]

The LATAR most likley Needed an F-5E with the APQ-159-1 or 159-2 Radars (Television mode on the Radar Display/Scope)

 

Since other F-5Es (unless they had Later Upgrades Ofc) would not have the abillity see the picture from a LATARr / Targeting pod

 

doing more reading on the F-5E i think we definitely need the one not just with rwr system(someone from ED already commented f5 will have rwr) but also with the more powerfull an/apq 159 radar, not the very basic an/apq 153 radar. Might as well be able to detect a2a threats from farther away if your only limited to two missiles. Mig21 can arm x8 r60m or x6 missiles if it uses an r60m x4 with x2 r3r sa guided missile combo. Mig21 is a missle truck compared to the f5

 

 

 

of course the AN/APQ 159 1/2 with TV mode, for early agm65a/b would be very welcome if they can find the data to model it. That would only made it a more potent in air to ground strike missions.

Edited November 9, 2015 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

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http://www.usaf-sig.org/index.php/re...er-ii-northrop

 

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Yea i read that Source that was indeed the very basic initial Block of the F5E1.

 

I found a source for A later F-5E model - block 34 circa 1980, for anyone interested in viewing

 

 

 

http://www.avialogs.com/index.php/en/aircraft/usa/northrop/f-5tigerii/to-1f-5e-34-1-1-f-5e-f-tiger-ii-aircrew-nonnuclear-weapons-delivery-manual-to-1f-5e.html

 

 

 

If you have the time I recommend to read through it all however....

 

 

pages of particular interest:

 

 

pg31 for Ordinance Stores

 

 

Pg 32 for an/apq 153 radar,

 

 

Pg 44, for an/apq 159 radar.

 

pg 61 for radar ranging gunsight

 

 

sadly this source doesn't have info for a An/ApQ 159 1/2 with tv mode for agm65.

Edited November 9, 2015 by Kev2go

[dartuil]

Lets hunt info for maverick buddies!!

We need it!! :)

[Wizard_03]

Will we get any incendiary weapons like BLU-1 or BLU-27?

[Kev2go]

Will we get any incendiary weapons like BLU-1 or BLU-27?

 

That would be neat to have. Quite frankly was somewhat disappointed Belsimtek f86f sabre did not have napalm since those were used by jets in the Korean war, and part of a sabres available armament post Korea.

 

With dcs 1.5/2.0 the new engine should support the flame effects

 

IF get it, we will all be able to recreate the napalm scene from apocalypse now! XD

 

 

 

 

After all actual f5's were used in filing of that scene. And we have huey in game

Edited November 10, 2015 by Kev2go

[cofcorpse]

You dont have the possibility of contacting either Northrop (now northrop grumman)

 

I don't know current status of this, but I try to use every opportunity to gather information :helpsmilie::book:

 

Will we get any incendiary weapons like BLU-1 or BLU-27?

 

For now no incendiary weapons are working in DCS, AFAIK. We need some work from ED :music_whistling:

[pepin1234]

 

Smell like Victory min 2:20 :lol: I like this movie!!

[Paganus]

How about some Shrikes? :thumbup:

 

Saudi F-5s are dedicated to army close air support and can carry AGM-45 Shrike ASMs, GBU-10/12 laser-guided bombs, and Rockeye cluster bomb units. The RSAF's F-5s have the capability of carrying and launching the Hughes AGM-65A/B Maverick missile for ground attack and anti-shipping missions. Saudi F-5E/Fs are reportedly capable of carrying the French-built Matra R.550 Magic air to air missile. Royal Saudi Air Force F-5Es were fitted with the Litton LN-33 inertial navigation system and are fitted with inflight refuelling capability for use with the RSAF's KC-130 aerial tankers. They were provided with ALQ-101/119 ECM pods and ALR-46 RWR. The two-seaters were provided with canopy-mounted Northrop AVQ-27 manual laser target designators.

Edited November 10, 2015 by Paganus

[mattebubben]

How about some Shrikes? :thumbup:

 

Saudi F-5s are dedicated to army close air support and can carry AGM-45 Shrike ASMs, GBU-10/12 laser-guided bombs, and Rockeye cluster bomb units. The RSAF's F-5s have the capability of carrying and launching the Hughes AGM-65A/B Maverick missile for ground attack and anti-shipping missions. Saudi F-5E/Fs are reportedly capable of carrying the French-built Matra R.550 Magic air to air missile. Royal Saudi Air Force F-5Es were fitted with the Litton LN-33 inertial navigation system and are fitted with inflight refuelling capability for use with the RSAF's KC-130 aerial tankers. They were provided with ALQ-101/119 ECM pods and ALR-46 RWR. The two-seaters were provided with canopy-mounted Northrop AVQ-27 manual laser target designators.

 

how many of these features did they have when they arrived in Saudi arabia and what was later upgrades.

 

All those features would really make for a capable aircraft though.

 

About the GBUs though.

 

Was the E able to laze for the GBUs or did it require Ground lazing or an F with the manual Laser Designator to laze for it?

Edited November 10, 2015 by mattebubben

[cofcorpse]

News: F-5E Tiger II. The armament that is planned to develop

[NineLine]

News: F-5E Tiger II. The armament that is planned to develop

 

:thumbup::joystick:

[Stratos]

Sounds cool enough. Shame ED still has not the Napalm ready.

[ebabil]

yay!

[Hook47]

News: F-5E Tiger II. The armament that is planned to develop

 

Cool stuff! So the F-5 appears to only be able to carry two A2A missiles onboard? Am I correct? Also I thought I heard the F-5 had radar but it appears to have no radar based missiles comparable to the MiG 21s R3R

[cofcorpse]

So the F-5 appears to only be able to carry two A2A missiles onboard?

 

Yes, unfortunately only two. You should be careful :joystick:

 

Also I thought I heard the F-5 had radar but it appears to have no radar based missiles comparable to the MiG 21s R3R

 

Yes, radar is used to find the target and measure distance to the target for sight.

[Brisse]

Yes, unfortunately only two. You should be careful :joystick:

 

This thing is going to be a lot of fun anyway. We just have to adapt to it's limitations, just like any good pilot would do :)

[cofcorpse]

This thing is going to be a lot of fun anyway

 

Totally agree! :thumbup:

[pepin1234]

Nice news!

[Sweep]

Awesome! Can't wait to fly the MiG-28...I mean F-5! :D

[ebabil]

Awesome! Can't wait to fly the MiG-28...I mean F-5! :D

 

hahahaha, gotta wait leatherneck f-14 then