AMD on it's last journey ?

BitMaster · October 5, 2015

What do you guys think, now that AMD is almost out of money, investors turn their back towards AMD, multi million dollar losses etc...

Are you confident in buying another AMD card and may not get support in the future if they fall apart ??

I am curious how others follow this tragedy of Intel's former rival, nothing left but a shade of what it could have been...

Bit

some ref. in german about that topic....all points very south:

http://www.tomshardware.de/entlassungen-amd-unstrukturierung,news-253809.html = firing 5% employees

http://www.tomshardware.de/silver-lake-amd-anteile-ubernahme,news-253799.html = SilverLake Investor turns away

Edited October 5, 2015 by BitMaster

Darkwolf · October 5, 2015

I was all AMD for years. I had very bad experience with Intel/Nvidia while retaining a wonderful level of reliabilty with AMD.

However, AMD is clearly eating dust nowaday. so it's not surprising that they are going down. I started considering going back to intel/nvidia after some issue with intrusive AMD drivers forcing you to install raptr and other "gaming software stuff". Tom's hardware guide on CPU is clear about AMD level nowaday :/

doveman · October 5, 2015

I think it would be terrible if they did go under, as despite their driver problems (which any DCS owner is only too aware of) they still have made decent GPUs available to people who couldn't afford Nvidia prices, which are only likely to increase in the absence of competition.

Brisse · October 5, 2015

AMD drivers forcing you to install raptr and other "gaming software stuff".

Nonono. They never forced anyone to install raptr. During installation, choose "Custom installation" and just uncheck "AMD Gaming Evolved" to get rid of all the bloatware. They should have been more clear about it though, and in an ideal world, I would like to see such software banished, or at least separated from the driver installation.

Keakaha · October 5, 2015

I hope not, if AMD goes under it will stifle innovation and intel and nvidia will hold a monopoly over the CPU and GPU markets respectively, charging whatever prices they want.

sobek · October 5, 2015

AMDs mobile segment did pretty well for a while. If things go really south, it might be that they concentrate their efforts on mobile solutions.

Wolf Rider · October 5, 2015

Nonono. They never forced anyone to install raptr. During installation, choose "Custom installation" and just uncheck "AMD Gaming Evolved" to get rid of all the bloatware. They should have been more clear about it though, and in an ideal world, I would like to see such software banished, or at least separated from the driver installation.

that's true... NVidia does the same thing - need to select CUSTOM, and untick the bloatware

Brisse · October 5, 2015

that's true... NVidia does the same thing - need to select CUSTOM, and untick the bloatware

Yea. Choose your poison :)

blkspade · October 5, 2015

Honestly, outside of just being something "extra", the Raptr software isn't all that bad. If you happen to have an AMD card, and like the idea of gameplay recording similar to Nvidia shadowplay, it works really well. That is the only real reason to use it however, and its better than alternatives I've looked at.

Abburo · October 5, 2015

First of all, we need to have AMD/Intel and AMD/Nvidia competition in place. Monopol on this area will have negative impact on us , the customers.

If the CPU fight is quite clear and AMD just set their position on the market as the cheapest choice, on GPU the situation is a bit unclear for now.

On long term if Nvidia will not re-assess their workarounds embedeed in their drivers and will not try to use DirectX API as straight as possible, as AMD is already doing, then I think the AMD GPU can have a greater success. Right now DirectX12 just put Nvidia in knees in front of AMD with the parallel processing feature... is not very mediated this situation for now but will come up soon. Will see how Nvidia new series can handle this, but will not be easy to discard or rework all "last moment" workarounds they did to adapt to each important game/engine in the market.

And one think was never changed: ATI/AMD GPU presents ALWAYS sharper images than Nvidia... it always looked better than their direct competitor.

Edited October 5, 2015 by Abburo

pepin1234 · October 5, 2015

Even when they don't updates the driver so often AMD graphics card are more reliable than Nvidia cards. I have a full AMD system with good performances. They will solve the actual situation.

fltsimbuff · October 5, 2015

First of all, we need to have AMD/Intel and AMD/Nvidia competition in place. Monopol on this area will have negative impact on us , the customers.

Yes, this...

AMD has done awesome things for consumers in both the Processor and Graphics markets. I prefer Intel/nVidia these days, but AMD keeps things marching forward and keeps prices down. When I was on a budget, their Duron and Athlon CPUs were great too.

I would be sad to see AMD falter.

SkateZilla · October 5, 2015

AMD will allow themselves to be bought by Microsoft before going anywhere.

That being said.

This is the first time since AMD K6-II development AMD has told their engineers they have no budget cap.

Alot of RandD soent but they had no product to sell outside of the failed modular CPUs and APUs.

Keller oversaw Zens development.

AMD is done with Development on Zen, now starting production phase.

They already slimmed their staff now that the main work is done.

Give it 2 more years.

zxarkov · October 5, 2015

It is sad but true. Used to be a 100% AMD fan for many years until the core solo/duo line turned me to the Intel side.

Intend to stay with Intel to but still want AMD around to keep prices down on hardware.

Can AMD really expect to make a comeback?

SkateZilla · October 5, 2015

Ppl that back Intel for being so far ahead need to google what 8ntel did to AMD, Cyrix, WinChip and SiS.

theres a reason Intel is ahead of the others... And Intel has l9ng since been fo8nd guilty but the damage has been done.

In order to catch up AMD has practically put their company on the line.

No worries, I'll by the Microsoft Radeons in 2 years as well.

SkateZilla · October 5, 2015

Yes, this...

AMD has done awesome things for consumers in both the Processor and Graphics markets. I prefer Intel/nVidia these days, but AMD keeps things marching forward and keeps prices down. When I was on a budget, their Duron and Athlon CPUs were great too.

I would be sad to see AMD falter.

Jim keller has never designed a failure chip...just sayin..

BitMaster · October 6, 2015

As it looks and reads now, AMD has a problem ordering enough HBM2 memory for "unknown" reasons.

Some say it is due to Nvidia hogging all the fabs already that could do HBM2 mem...

Others say, it is due to Manufacturers asking for more "financial" substance from AMD to get into production....

Either way, if they cant get their hands on enough HBM2 mem it will look even worse next year

whe Nvidia comes out with it's new flagship....and AMD may still be waiting for delivery of HBMs..

It's so sad. I had a whole bunch of ATI cards over the decade(s) meanwhile, and yes, their colour has always been better but that is another topic.

Let's hope Skate is right and MS jumps into the game and rescues AMD.

My Athlon 1.4GHz was a trusty partner for years, it ran SuSE 8.2, Hylafax, Vbox, SMB, FTPd and VMware Server on top with a Win2003 Exchange setup on top....all with 2GB RAM and many many IDE drives lol...it worked, utmost reliable and blistering FAST thank you AMD for this great time with this Thunderbird chip... almost tears in my eyes.

Bit

Abburo · October 6, 2015

Some years ago (year 2000 i think) I get in contact with some of graphical stations based on some 128 bits processors (they were graphical 3D CAD unix stations). Curently we are back to 64bits... Hope will not happend the same for AMD... their perfomances are curently largely ahead their competition but is a harsh world and Nvidia can hurt them a lot....

BitMaster · October 6, 2015

More clever chip design and more direct programming seems to become fashionable again, as there is imho as well more to gain than with just wider and faster busses and GHz.

I am eager to see a Game with DX12 at work and also El Capitan with Metal, both seems very promising. More direct, less overhead, said to be simpler to apply ( I am no dev, so I dunno if that holds true ), overall the better approach as their seems to be a GHz wall you just cant overcome to gain more processing speed at reasonable cost.

Hardware wise, HBM and Intels new unified storage miracle coming next year will once again

turn over the layout of motherboards and ruin compatibility, so that will be the time when we will have to change more than just a motherboard, but also the whole damn thing cause nothing will fit onto those new unified storage boards if you do it right without strange compromises. When Nvidia is the sole survivor then, OMG.... no choice but embedded Intel graphics or ANY ONE of those Nvidias, but ONLY Nvidia..... that wont be good.

If Microsoft takes over, it is still a question of what they take over, the whole thing, AMD only, mobile CPU/APU only, ATI only or any combo of that. IF the government allows this huge merge. I dont think they wont but who knows what will have to apply to make it happen.

I always preferred ATI over Nvidia because of the colours when they had comparable speed and power/heat usage. Sadly, last couple years I always opted for Nvida, my last ATI was a 4970 I think, that flagship of 2006 or 7, whatever. That card still runs today, it found its way into a workstation and still functions.. speaks for ATI ;)

Server wise, I loved the Opteron, reliable, fast, wide ( many cores ) and affordable. Perfect Virtual Host, just they missed the bus...Xeons are so far ahead meanwhile, we dont even consider Opterons anymore, sad actually.

Anyway, I hope AMD will catch up !

Abburo · October 6, 2015

If Microsoft takes over, it is still a question of what they take over, the whole thing, AMD only, mobile CPU/APU only, ATI only or any combo of that. IF the government allows this huge merge. I dont think they wont but who knows what will have to apply to make it happen.

That is my thought too. Microsoft itself have a very clear roadmap for themselves and this is not fully focused to PC gaming. They are heading to "networked society" by any mean: PC, Xbox, mobile (phones and tablets). In this case they might be interested in AMD's APUs only...

Something similar happens with Lumia. They bought just the brand Lumia from Nokia, not all. Right now Nokia is preparing to launch their first android phone... so Nokia did not died back then :D.

SkateZilla · October 6, 2015

As it looks and reads now, AMD has a problem ordering enough HBM2 memory for "unknown" reasons.

Some say it is due to Nvidia hogging all the fabs already that could do HBM2 mem...

Others say, it is due to Manufacturers asking for more "financial" substance from AMD to get into production....

Either way, if they cant get their hands on enough HBM2 mem it will look even worse next year
whe Nvidia comes out with it's new flagship....and AMD may still be waiting for delivery of HBMs..

It's so sad. I had a whole bunch of ATI cards over the decade(s) meanwhile, and yes, their colour has always been better but that is another topic.

Let's hope Skate is right and MS jumps into the game and rescues AMD.

My Athlon 1.4GHz was a trusty partner for years, it ran SuSE 8.2, Hylafax, Vbox, SMB, FTPd and VMware Server on top with a Win2003 Exchange setup on top....all with 2GB RAM and many many IDE drives lol...it worked, utmost reliable and blistering FAST thank you AMD for this great time with this Thunderbird chip... almost tears in my eyes.

Bit

AMD designed HBM w/ other companies, nVidia has to pay AMD to use HBM.

HBM2 yields are not ready for full deployment, neither was HBM, or the Fury wouldve been significantly cheaper.

SkateZilla · October 6, 2015

More clever chip design and more direct programming seems to become fashionable again, as there is imho as well more to gain than with just wider and faster busses and GHz.

I am eager to see a Game with DX12 at work and also El Capitan with Metal, both seems very promising. More direct, less overhead, said to be simpler to apply ( I am no dev, so I dunno if that holds true ), overall the better approach as their seems to be a GHz wall you just cant overcome to gain more processing speed at reasonable cost.
Hardware wise, HBM and Intels new unified storage miracle coming next year will once again
turn over the layout of motherboards and ruin compatibility, so that will be the time when we will have to change more than just a motherboard, but also the whole damn thing cause nothing will fit onto those new unified storage boards if you do it right without strange compromises. When Nvidia is the sole survivor then, OMG.... no choice but embedded Intel graphics or ANY ONE of those Nvidias, but ONLY Nvidia..... that wont be good.

If Microsoft takes over, it is still a question of what they take over, the whole thing, AMD only, mobile CPU/APU only, ATI only or any combo of that. IF the government allows this huge merge. I dont think they wont but who knows what will have to apply to make it happen.

I always preferred ATI over Nvidia because of the colours when they had comparable speed and power/heat usage. Sadly, last couple years I always opted for Nvida, my last ATI was a 4970 I think, that flagship of 2006 or 7, whatever. That card still runs today, it found its way into a workstation and still functions.. speaks for ATI ;)

Server wise, I loved the Opteron, reliable, fast, wide ( many cores ) and affordable. Perfect Virtual Host, just they missed the bus...Xeons are so far ahead meanwhile, we dont even consider Opterons anymore, sad actually.

Anyway, I hope AMD will catch up !

Microsoft will take over everything, They already have an x86 license from Intel to continue making x86 Chips.

MS wants everything in house, chip design, production, and support. for CPU, APU, GPU.

which allows MS to put "Microsoft" CPUs/APUs/GPUs in 1st party Windows devices (Surface Tablets, DX12 Gaming devices, phones etc).

SkateZilla · October 6, 2015

the only time I strayed from the ATi psth was for the 880GTS 640...

Abburo · October 6, 2015

MS know they don't have necessary infrastructure for this. There were various issues and curently they have an Dell partnership to cover their hardware all over the world. I think they will stick to consumer area of each CPU/GPU/mobile without taking high end devices under their umbrella. But, time will tell us, this is just my opinion :)

fltsimbuff · October 6, 2015

...
theres a reason Intel is ahead of the others... And Intel has l9ng since been fo8nd guilty but the damage has been done.
...

That's not the only reason. Intel has a huge advantage in R&D budget and semiconductor facilities.

http://techreport.com/news/28033/report-amd-r-d-spending-falls-to-near-10-year-low

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