Vitesse2l Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Following the video posted earlier I've been playing with sling loads, something I've never tried before. I made my own mission and worked out how to activate the loads, use the indicator and finally actually manage to pick up some cargo. Not quite got it put back down again properly (without damage) but that's just my impatience. I have to say it's a real challenge to start with. I use the rudder trim cheat and together with the autopilot that helps a lot. My MSFFB2 is great too. I wouldn't like to fly helis with a normal joystick. Every time I come back to the MI8 it seems to get better and better, so thanks, Belsimtek.
Johnny Dioxin Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Yes, I'm looking forward to some hopefully challenging and fun missions with this. It's interesting, what you say about the MSFFB2 stick, though - I've read a lot of such comments. I have the G940 and swore by it for years, always prefering it for the DCS helicopters due to it's excellent use of the trim feature - but there were many "oh crap!" moments, where control was difficult to hold, with the aircraft bucking and kicking for seemingly no reason, and also holding a hover without autohover on was very difficult. I also found the AP in the A-10C was constantly disengaging. Then I tried using my Warthog HOTAS to save having to switch HOTAS and the difference was huge. Yes, the FFB trim missing was a bit nerve-wracking to start with, but the amount of control I had was vastly increased, with the bucking and dancing gone, and also the AP in fixed-wings is solid. It was all down to the electro-magnetic system in the G940. I don't know which system the MSFFB2 uses for FFB, but it must be better. Rig: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; Pimax Crystal Light I'm learning to fly - but I ain't got wings With my head in VR - it's the next best thing!
Vitesse2l Posted November 1, 2015 Author Posted November 1, 2015 I've been using MSFFB sticks for years so I can't comment on others but I agree the A10C AP is tricky. There's an easy mod to keep the forces on permanently (bit of tape over the sensor) but I've not tried that. I can say that slop in the MS stick is minimal, just enough for very small movements around the centre point, before hitting the resistance. If it had a longer modded stick I'd want to do something to eliminate that, if it was possible. I'd like to get the Warthog one day but really can't justify the cost. I'm still running an old C2D E8400 processor, which is perfectly adequate for most DCS stuff, and better since 1.5 but I know it'll struggle when there's more going on in the sim. Perhaps someone with a g940 can compare the two? I always reckon if there's something wild happening in my flights it's because I've got myself doing something that I shouldn't. Also, I find rudder use is a major cause of upset so using the trimmer option is better for me. Holding the twist grip 'just so' and trying to maneuver is a pain! I know... Pedals are the answer!
zaelu Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 ... I use the rudder trim cheat and together with the autopilot that helps a lot. ... What do you mean by rudder cheat? In option you have possibility to disconnect rudder from trim (which is unrealistic but not a cheat as it becomes harder if you don't have steady feet :D ). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
whitehot Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 What do you mean by rudder cheat? In option you have possibility to disconnect rudder from trim (which is unrealistic but not a cheat as it becomes harder if you don't have steady feet :D ). wait a sec. I'm no pro rotorhead, but are you saying that having the pedals disconnected from trim is the unrealistic choice? I always thought that the contrary was true, both in the Chicken and the Eight - that in rl choppers the trim (or force trim) is only applied to the cyclic, with the pedals not influenced by it. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel i7 6700K @ 4.2, MSI M5 Z170A Gaming, NZXT X61 Kraken liquid cooler, PNY Nvidia GTX 1080 Founders Edition, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000 Mhz C15, samsung 840 evo SSD, CoolerMaster 1000W Gold rated PSU, NZXT Noctis 450 cabinet, Samsung S240SW 24' 1920x1200 LED panel, X-52 Pro Flight stick. W10 Pro x64 1809, NO antivirus EVER
zaelu Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Me neither but the manuals give indication that the yaw is also trimmed in both. 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
AlphaOneSix Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Force trim also applies to the pedals in every helicopter I've ever worked on that has a force trim system.
heloguy Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Force trim also applies to the pedals in every helicopter I've ever worked on that has a force trim system. Same here, minus one. The Bell 206 with force trim for instruments doesn't have it in the pedals. At least the ones I flew didn't. Otherwise, it's pretty safe to assume that the larger a helicopter is, the more likely it has some sort of trim/autopilot in all three axes. i9 12900k @ 4.9ghz, 64gb RAM Nvidia RTX 3090 Windows 11 x64 Pimax Crystal VP Force Rhino w/RS F16GRH, Virpil TCS Rotor Plus AH-64 Collective, BRD F1 Pedals, WH Throttle, FSSB R3 w/WH Grip, PointCTRL v2
CaptJodan Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 Possibly off topic but this is concerning sling loads... I noticed the latest video on sling loads. Currently I only see Cargo1 as an option to pick up, but the video shows a different cargo pallet and suggests there are many cargo options to haul. Is that for a later version coming up or am I missing where all the different cargoes are located?
zaelu Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 The slingloads in the movie are mostly (if not all) made by upuaut. Until now they were available only by modding click but from next update they will be officially integrated in DCS World for Belsimtek's UH1H and Mi-8. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
Vitesse2l Posted November 1, 2015 Author Posted November 1, 2015 Ahh! I assumed that the option was a cheat. Something that makes life easier in sims is usually a cheat! Good to hear we'll get more than the cargo1 option soon. Upuaut has done some nice work there.
CaptJodan Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 The slingloads in the movie are mostly (if not all) made by upuaut. Until now they were available only by modding click but from next update they will be officially integrated in DCS World for Belsimtek's UH1H and Mi-8. Thanks Zaelu. That explains it!
1.JaVA_Platypus Posted November 1, 2015 Posted November 1, 2015 I've been using MSFFB sticks for years so I can't comment on others but I agree the A10C AP is tricky. There's an easy mod to keep the forces on permanently (bit of tape over the sensor) but I've not tried that. I can say that slop in the MS stick is minimal, just enough for very small movements around the centre point, before hitting the resistance. If it had a longer modded stick I'd want to do something to eliminate that, if it was possible. I'd like to get the Warthog one day but really can't justify the cost. I'm still running an old C2D E8400 processor, which is perfectly adequate for most DCS stuff, and better since 1.5 but I know it'll struggle when there's more going on in the sim. Perhaps someone with a g940 can compare the two? I always reckon if there's something wild happening in my flights it's because I've got myself doing something that I shouldn't. Also, I find rudder use is a major cause of upset so using the trimmer option is better for me. Holding the twist grip 'just so' and trying to maneuver is a pain! I know... Pedals are the answer! I had a G940. It wasn't all that bad. But upgraded to the TM Warthog. (wich is better with choppers then I previously could imagine) However, a pair of (Saitek) rudder pedals are a far better investment, especially for flying choppers. Happy Flying! :pilotfly:
Looney Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Just modded my pedals to remove the center detent and spring, after all, there's no centering force in helicopter pedals as far as I know.. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commodore 64 | MOS6510 | VIC-II | SID6581 | DD 1541 | KCS Power Cartridge | 64Kb | 32Kb external | Arcade Turbo
zaelu Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Just modded my pedals to remove the center detent and spring, after all, there's no centering force in helicopter pedals as far as I know.. The Mi-8 ones have also micro-switches in them... like keyboard buttons :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
Witchking Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 Ok...this might be far out...but just curious... can the sling loads be used to damage ground units? LOL...or other units in general? That would be hilarious and awesome. lol! WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
zaelu Posted November 2, 2015 Posted November 2, 2015 they have damage model. One friend of mine broke a wing of his Mig21 in a cargo I dropped in front of him (and somehow he did not see... like a bug or something) and that Mig21 took of quite happily... never to land though. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
Witchking Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 they have damage model. One friend of mine broke a wing of his Mig21 in a cargo I dropped in front of him (and somehow he did not see... like a bug or something) and that Mig21 took of quite happily... never to land though. Thats pretty cool. Imagine dropping the cargo from a height on enemy forces. lol.... re-defines dumb weapons. WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
zaelu Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah... or place those new concrete tetrapods slingloads on the runway for nasty surprises on takeoff :D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] I5 4670k, 32GB, GTX 1070, Thrustmaster TFRP, G940 Throttle extremely modded with Bodnar 0836X and Bu0836A, Warthog Joystick with F-18 grip, Oculus Rift S - Almost all is made from gifts from friends, the most expensive parts at least
domini99 Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Yeah... or place those new concrete tetrapods slingloads on the runway for nasty surprises on takeoff :D Haha I like the way you think
Vitesse2l Posted November 3, 2015 Author Posted November 3, 2015 Haha I like the way you think That's an interesting idea for a mission, though. I've always thought that resupplying a unit/location in a combat situation (where the cargo you drop actually supplies the fighting units) could be a nice challenge - particularly considering the time it takes me to hook up.
domini99 Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 That's an interesting idea for a mission, though. I've always thought that resupplying a unit/location in a combat situation (where the cargo you drop actually supplies the fighting units) could be a nice challenge - particularly considering the time it takes me to hook up. True. I'm getting better at it, can now grab the cargo within a minute :D
xxJohnxx Posted November 3, 2015 Posted November 3, 2015 Maybe you guys can learn a thing or two from this: Practice and much more practice really helps. ;) 1 Check out my YouTube: xxJohnxx Intel i7 6800k watercooled | ASUS Rampage V Edition 10 | 32 GB RAM | Asus GTX1080 watercooled
EagleEye Posted November 5, 2015 Posted November 5, 2015 ...but from next update they will be officially integrated in DCS World for Belsimtek's UH1H and Mi-8. Cool, I´ve missed that info from BST. Can you point me to it? Thanks!:) Deutsche DCS-Flughandbücher SYSSpecs: i7-4790K @4GHz|GA-Z97X-SLI|16GB RAM|ASUS GTX1070|Win10 64bit|TrackIR5|TM Warthog/Saitek Pro Pedals
Vitesse2l Posted November 5, 2015 Author Posted November 5, 2015 Maybe you guys can learn a thing or two from this: Thanks, John. Nice flying skills.
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