is it me or are alot of western era planes incoming?

[steele6]

Hey guys,

 

So I've noticed alot of fully modelled Western multi-role/ AA jets are coming

F-14

Eurofighter

F-5E

Mirage 2000

F/A-18C

 

now this is great and wonderful and I'm looking forward to flying them all, but shouldn't there be a few Eastern fully modelled multi-role /AA jets coming soon?

 

what about Mig 29K (carrier capable to compete with F18 and F-14

 

some kind of upgraded su-27? or su-30 (two seater? ) and these can surely be upgraded to a multi-role A2G capable version?

[QuiGon]

Yes, that's the situation right now.

Maybe it's more difficult for devs to get their hands on detailed and unclassified information for the eastern birds to be able to develop them to DCS standards.

[Capn kamikaze]

Good times are on the way, especially with the F-14 and F/A-18, finally we'll have the chance to do some proper strike, SEAD and anti-shipping.

[Silver_Dragon]

 

some kind of upgraded su-27? or su-30 (two seater? ) and these can surely be upgraded to a multi-role A2G capable version?

 

Very dificult to see meanwhile Russian government maintain your secret military law about military hardware and systems.

[Capn kamikaze]

Hey guys,

 

So I've noticed alot of fully modelled Western multi-role/ AA jets are coming

F-14

Eurofighter

F-5E

Mirage 2000

F/A-18C

 

now this is great and wonderful and I'm looking forward to flying them all, but shouldn't there be a few Eastern fully modelled multi-role /AA jets coming soon?

 

what about Mig 29K (carrier capable to compete with F18 and F-14

 

some kind of upgraded su-27? or su-30 (two seater? ) and these can surely be upgraded to a multi-role A2G capable version?

 

To be fair the Mig-29K was not in service when the F-14 was in, and the F/A-18C is not likely to be in service with the USN for much longer.

 

Also the russians have until very recently been of the mindset of dedicated/very limited multi-role, just consider the Su-27 and Mig-29, they could carry A2G weapons, but they were dumb weapons.

 

What I would like to see is the Su-30 or Su-34 however.

[Beagle One]

I can't see how the incomign hangar of NATO Planes can keep the game runnign in MP. I for my part am usually quiterepuslsed by the upcoming "France" vs. the rest of the world or Russia vs. Ukraine scenarios one is forced to to since the 1984 Su-27, 1981 Su-25, 1970 MiG-21 and the horrible SFM MiG-29 can provide an worthy and enjoyable opponent in MP any longer.

 

Right now its already late NATO 90's vs. soviet early 80s in regards to combat aircraft.

[steele6]

Surely you can still set up a NATO v NATO fight. Eg: French v US forces.

 

But either way, the jets still use the same missiles so it's not like the Mig 29 is outdated against the other planes

[Northstar98]

Good times are on the way' date=' especially with the F-14 and F/A-18, finally we'll have the chance to do some proper strike, SEAD and anti-shipping.[/quote']

 

Problem is of course, the ships are not (yet) up to standard only a mere handful are close but the ship aspect definitely needs overhauling :)

 

Ollie

[Beagle One]

Surely you can still set up a NATO v NATO fight. Eg: French v US forces.

 

But either way, the jets still use the same missiles so it's not like the Mig 29 is outdated against the other planes

The MiG-29 is an abyssmal part of a module stuck in SFM only very few people want to touch. That is the problem and it always did lack endurance and payload.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

It's a bit annoying, yeah. It'd be nice to see someone pick up a Flogger.

[King_Hrothgar]

It is an issue worth addressing. Part of the problem is that Russia took a 20 year hiatus from advanced weapons design between 1990 and 2010 due to budgetary issues. The genuinely new stuff is likely too new to get enough info on + permission to model and we already have the 1980's stuff included with FC3. I think the best solution from a MP standpoint is shifting down to the 1970's instead of trying to fill in the 1990's. Things were a lot more even then, and it allows for full DCS level aircraft without doubling up on the FC3 planes.

 

We are already getting a little bit of that, with aircraft like the UH-1H, MiG-21Bis and F-5E. But I think a lot more could be done.

[Buzzles]

I suspect we may get something Russian soon.

 

Belsimtek seem to be doing pairs, the Sabre was a big annoucement until we suddenly got the Mig15.

 

We know they're working on the F-5E, and although we've got LN's Mig-21Bis, there's a chance Belsimtek might do something around the same era as a counter, a 17 or 19 perhaps? Might just be wishful thinking though.

[_Firefly]

It is an issue worth addressing. Part of the problem is that Russia took a 20 year hiatus from advanced weapons design between 1990 and 2010 due to budgetary issues. The genuinely new stuff is likely too new to get enough info on + permission to model and we already have the 1980's stuff included with FC3. I think the best solution from a MP standpoint is shifting down to the 1970's instead of trying to fill in the 1990's. Things were a lot more even then, and it allows for full DCS level aircraft without doubling up on the FC3 planes.

 

We are already getting a little bit of that, with aircraft like the UH-1H, MiG-21Bis and F-5E. But I think a lot more could be done.

 

I like your way of thinking. Some of the aircraft that I would like to see in DCS have been retired from active service in Russia in the early 1990s, and most of them employ technology that is either on a similar level to what we have or inferior. In that context there are plenty of planes ripe for the taking - take the late model MiG-23 (MLA, MLD), MiG-27 (D/M, K) Su-17M4 and Su-24M for example.

[Kayos]

I can't wait for the F-14. But I'd also like to see the F-16 one day.

Do you think some of the developers might be doing Western Jets because they sell better?

[_Firefly]

That's the only possible reason. Most aviation fanatics in the Western world are captivated by American aircraft like the F-14. Soviet jet fans (myself included) are a minority. This is particularly true among the younger generations (<26yo).

[DracoLlasa]

the more we get, the more we want..

for the longest time DCS was limited to just a few hi fidelity aircraft, and i for one am just loving the influx of the additional modules. Im sure each of the developers are working on what they are able to, but you have to admit, no matter what they all do, there will always be 'more' that the community wants. In a way, its a good problem to have, especially if it shows a strong market to bring in new talented studios to make them.

 

The only thing i would say, is that if i had a vote in the matter, i would like to see ED have some sort of long term list of modules on a 5 year road map or so that would provide counter paired aircraft (eg Mig 15/Sabre, F-15/Su-27. Then working with the developers to see if they can handle any of them.

 

As a second item that im sure many have brought up would be taking the some standalone FC3 modules and moving them to full DCS level hi-fi modules would be a great start. If you want the more simple model get FC3.

But then create the DCS: F-15, DCS: Su-27, DCS: MiG-29. I know its never a simple task, but at current there are really good flight models in place, the 3d models are all updated for inside an out, so at least it wouldn't be starting from scratch to create a set of new DCS level modules for some very popular aircraft that im sure tons of people would be willing to pay for.

 

Anyways, I love all the new stuff coming, and as such im not going to be complaining too much about what we dont have, and try and enjoy what we do have and are hoping to be getting soon.