Cobra847 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 (edited) Next to last research trip was conducted today, with the great JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof. Unfortunately a bit different than our AJS-37; but still a great tool (amongst others) to ensure maximum graphical accuracy. We were finally able to solve some cockpit accuracy issues due to lack of reference (on major cockpit parts, nonetheless!). Canopy elements can be a real PITA to get good reference for. Progress is very strong, looking forward to being finally done! Edited June 27, 2016 by Cobra847 Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WARJUNIOR Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Next to last research trip was conducted today, with the great JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof. Unfortunately a bit different than our AJS-37; but still a great tool (amongst others) to ensure maximum graphical accuracy. Progress is very strong, looking forward to being finally done pretty soon! Thanks for the update, Cobra. Looking forward to the viggen being done "pretty soon™". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Thanks for the update, Cobra. Looking forward to the viggen being done "pretty soon™". I removed the trademarked quote; just in case anyone gets triggered. :D Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microvax Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Next to last research trip was conducted today, with the great JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof. Unfortunately a bit different than our AJS-37; but still a great tool (amongst others) to ensure maximum graphical accuracy. We were finally able to solve some cockpit accuracy issues due to lack of reference (on major cockpit parts, nonetheless!). Canopy elements can be a real PITA to get good reference for. Progress is very strong, looking forward to being finally done! Next to last means not the last or actually the last ? xD I can imagine the pain, even if you try to get scale of something as simple as an logo from non plain photographs its hard. But 3 dimensional objects, welllll. :D But is progress stronk ? ))) Cant wait to launch thors hammer all over the place ! :D Will we get the option to load mixtures of MJ1 and MJ2 or only one type of submunitions ? Airfields shall be closed in blueflag by hail of mjoelnirs. ))) Soon. :music_whistling: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 That was me, and I'm pretty sure I'm right. "Halv roll" sounds like it would mean just a 180 degree roll, but that's not what it actually refers to in military Swedish (dunno about civilian acrobatic flying). It really does refer to a split S. See for example these two pages from the J 35F SFI, which show that the maneuver does involve rolling inverted and pulling down. As you can see, in the Draken (which accelerated incredibly quickly in a dive and also had problems with generating enough force on the elevons at high loadings) entering a split S was normally (in peacetime) forbidden at any speed at altitudes below five kilometers. See also this diagram though, which shows a minimum required altitude of about 1500 meters if you're pulling 7 G through the entire maneuver: There we go, +1 rep :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummingbird Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Next to last research trip was conducted today, with the great JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof. Unfortunately a bit different than our AJS-37; but still a great tool (amongst others) to ensure maximum graphical accuracy. We were finally able to solve some cockpit accuracy issues due to lack of reference (on major cockpit parts, nonetheless!). Canopy elements can be a real PITA to get good reference for. Progress is very strong, looking forward to being finally done! Hopefully you get a tour of a F-14 cockpit sometime too :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skjold Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Thanks for the update Cobra, can't wait for release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaXha Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Next to last research trip was conducted today, with the great JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof. Unfortunately a bit different than our AJS-37; but still a great tool (amongst others) to ensure maximum graphical accuracy. We were finally able to solve some cockpit accuracy issues due to lack of reference (on major cockpit parts, nonetheless!). Canopy elements can be a real PITA to get good reference for. Progress is very strong, looking forward to being finally done! Sounds great! We are looking forward to it as well, as you might have noticed! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaktaz Posted June 27, 2016 Share Posted June 27, 2016 Next to last research trip was conducted today, with the great JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof. Unfortunately a bit different than our AJS-37; but still a great tool (amongst others) to ensure maximum graphical accuracy. We were finally able to solve some cockpit accuracy issues due to lack of reference (on major cockpit parts, nonetheless!). Canopy elements can be a real PITA to get good reference for. Progress is very strong, looking forward to being finally done! Where do you go for the research? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Where do you go for the research? For the AJS-37 we've used the Viggen simulator at SweSim (http://www.swesim.se/simulatorer/ajs37) The Viggens at Arboga (http://www.jetjournal.net/galerie/image?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=5932) ..and the JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof (http://www.rodbearden.com/Europe%202015/Austrian%20Av%20Mus%20Graz/Saab%20JA37DI%20Viggen%2037431%2031-17%202.JPG) Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaXha Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 For the AJS-37 we've used the Viggen simulator at SweSim (http://www.swesim.se/simulatorer/ajs37) The Viggens at Arboga (http://www.jetjournal.net/galerie/image?view=image&format=raw&type=img&id=5932) ..and the JA-37Di at Graz-Thalerhof (http://www.rodbearden.com/Europe%202015/Austrian%20Av%20Mus%20Graz/Saab%20JA37DI%20Viggen%2037431%2031-17%202.JPG) Any reason you have not used the Swedish airforce historic flight AJS 37? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Any reason you have not used the Swedish airforce historic flight AJS 37? :-) Are you referring to SE-DXN? We have lots of photos and videos of her, but we didn't really need access to a running Viggen. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaXha Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Are you referring to SE-DXN? We have lots of photos and videos of her, but we didn't really need access to a running Viggen. I was just thinking that using SE-DXN for reference when it comes to parts that are hard to get photos of would be a no brainer, but maybe it has been modified somewhat for civilian use? :-) Can't wait to see the final results! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renhanxue Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I was just thinking that using SE-DXN for reference when it comes to parts that are hard to get photos of would be a no brainer, but maybe it has been modified somewhat for civilian use? :-) Can't wait to see the final results! :D I know I've seen a photo of the SE-DXN cockpit somewhere but I can't find it now. As far as I can remember there were some mods but nothing huge - the emergency instructions text on the flat surface below the HUD was replaced with a translation table between metric altitude and flight levels, and there might have been a civilian GPS unit somewhere too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 I was just thinking that using SE-DXN for reference when it comes to parts that are hard to get photos of would be a no brainer, but maybe it has been modified somewhat for civilian use? :-) Can't wait to see the final results! :D Most museum birds are actually very complete, both inside and out- so as long as it's a Viggen, a static display works just fine. :) It's also way easier to crawl all around a cockpit if it's static and less sensitive than something like SE-DXN Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaXha Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Most museum birds are actually very complete, both inside and out- so as long as it's a Viggen, a static display works just fine. :) It's also way easier to crawl all around a cockpit if it's static and less sensitive than something like SE-DXN True! Wouldn't want to flip all the switches when trying to get that perfect shot of the canopy locking mechanism! ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver_Dragon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 But LN team has help from Viggen real pilots for AJS module? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 But LN team has help from Viggen real pilots for AJS module? We do, but it's not very necessary. The aircraft is incredibly well documented. Since the aircraft has not been in service for a long time; you run into a lot of "forgetful pilot syndrome"-- where recollections do not match documentation. Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JanTelefon Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 We do, but it's not very necessary. The aircraft is incredibly well documented. Since the aircraft has not been in service for a long time; you run into a lot of "forgetful pilot syndrome"-- where recollections do not match documentation. Except when they recollect that it was an awesome plane... That is still accurate. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobra847 Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Except when they recollect that it was an awesome plane... That is still accurate. :D Those are the best types of recollections, the ones starting with: "..this one time.." Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaXha Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 Those are the best types of recollections, the ones starting with: "..this one time.." "..at band camp.." No? XD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boopidoo Posted June 28, 2016 Share Posted June 28, 2016 @renhanxue Thanks, I stand corrected however I still doubt even a clean SH37 could safely perform a Split-S at those speeds at 500m. The Viggen was a very good aircraft in many aspects but it wasn't really super agile. :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renhanxue Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 @renhanxue Thanks, I stand corrected however I still doubt even a clean SH37 could safely perform a Split-S at those speeds at 500m. The Viggen was a very good aircraft in many aspects but it wasn't really super agile. :) I don't disagree. Unfortunately I can't find the SFI section that would settle the matter (there's probably a turn performance chart that shows exactly how much altitude is needed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoBlue Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) If Viggen could do an vertical split-S from 500m & recover at 100m easily (as per article). You guy's don't think this astonishing maneuver would be a given part of every Viggen flight display? Are there any videos confirming this maneuver? "EDIT: the speed in the split-S from 500m was 550-700km/h, according to the pilot." Edited June 29, 2016 by CoBlue i7 8700k@4.7, 1080ti, DDR4 32GB, 2x SSD , HD 2TB, W10, ASUS 27", TrackIr5, TMWH, X-56, GProR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apache600 Posted June 29, 2016 Share Posted June 29, 2016 Just like with the F-22, The Air Force admits they don't show all of it's capabilities for airshow demonstrations (of course some of these aren't possible to view from the ground). Why show all the tricks up your sleeve? Talking with an F-22 pilot a few years ago, he stated that at 50,000 feet, he can pull a 7g turn. Airliners can't even fly that high because there's not enough air up there (40,000 is usually around the max, and at lighter fuel or pax loads). And he's able to pull 7g's !!! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] The Museum Relic Campaign: --> http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=164322 Community Missions (SP & MP) --> https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=205546 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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