DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion

[Sporg]

Nice work. But "Första Flygeskadern" doesn't translate into "First Attack Squadron", it would translate into something like "First Air Group" or "First Attack Group".

Thanks for the correction. :)

 

I corrected it, and now it makes more sense: Göran Tode started as squadron leader and then proceeded to become group or wing commander.

 

(Disclaimer: I am neither native Swedish nor native English speaker, so doing the best I can. ;) )

 

:thumbup:

Edited October 16, 2016 by Sporg

[Silvern]

Is Viggen the module that comes with the free map?

[Sporg]

By the way, Göran Tode seems like a nice and humorous guy.

There are a lot of tongue in cheek remarks and quotes in the article.

 

For instance I interpret the quote: "In the hour of danger, the presence of mind is the best property after the absence of body" as a humorous "Run away first and then stay smart". ;)

 

Also the last poem as I understand it, is from a fictional and satirical wannabe poet figure in Swedish literature.

So should not be taken all that seriously. :)

[renhanxue]

Thanks for the correction. :)

 

I corrected it, and now it makes more sense: Göran Tode started as squadron leader and then proceeded to become group or wing commander.

 

(Disclaimer: I am neither native Swedish nor native English speaker, so doing the best I can. ;) )

 

:thumbup:

 

That's another one of the weird Swedish military aviation terms. A division in Swedish is a squadron, a flottilj is an air wing, and an eskader is not the equivalent of an "escadrille" in French, it's a larger formation made up of several wings. "Air group" is one possible translation, but a grupp is not a group, it's a flight (of four aircraft). Originally the Swedish air force had four eskadrar but the other three disappeared in the 60's. E1 was retained because it was considered necessary with a unified command to achieve sufficient concentration of force.

 

By the way, what's a good word for translating rote? Pair?

Edited October 16, 2016 by renhanxue

[Sporg]

That's another one of the weird Swedish military aviation terms. A division in Swedish is a squadron, a flottilj is an air wing, and an eskader is not the equivalent of an "escadrille" in French, it's a larger formation made up of several wings. "Air group" is one possible translation, but a grupp is not a group, it's a flight (of four aircraft). Originally the Swedish air force had four eskadrar but the other three disappeared in the 60's. E1 was retained because it was considered necessary with a unified command to achieve sufficient concentration of force.

 

By the way, what's a good word for translating rote? Pair?

Thanks for the explanation.

It's a funny system. :)

 

It seems the Swedish eskader corresponds with the French escadron and this is a Group or Wing.

 

Rote seems to be a two-ship or pair.

[JaNk0]

...

 

By the way, what's a good word for translating rote? Pair?

 

2-ship formation?

 

[Edit] Agree with Sport

[JanTelefon]

 

By the way, what's a good word for translating rote? Pair?

 

I'd perhaps go with wing? A wingman is "rotetvåa, rotetrea osv." Tricky one.

[renhanxue]

I'd perhaps go with wing? A wingman is "rotetvåa, rotetrea osv." Tricky one.

 

I agree that "rotetvåa" is wingman, but is "rotetrea" even a thing? Never heard of it.

[QuiGon]

Is Viggen the module that comes with the free map?

 

It does come with a map, but I'm not sure if it will be included in the module.

[BravoYankee4]

Just as a side note, regarding the command post Björn (bear) mentioned, there is a mini exhibition about it right now at the museum in Skara (Sweden).

 

http://vastergotlandsmuseum.se/utstallningar/ledningsplats-bjorn/

Edited October 17, 2016 by BravoYankee4
Added url

[Sporg]

Just as a side note, regarding the command post Björn (bear) mentioned, there is a mini exhibition about it right now at the museum in Skara (Sweden).

 

http://vastergotlandsmuseum.se/utstallningar/ledningsplats-bjorn/

Nice. :)

 

If one follows the link, there are a few pictures from excavation of the command post and a 3D reconstruction here:

http://vastergotlandsmuseum.se/nyheter/halsningar-fran-ledningsplats-bjorn/

(page is in Swedish)

 

 

Edited October 17, 2016 by Sporg

[BravoYankee4]

A short summary of the command post Björn history:

From the beginning there was a secret airbase built during WWII alongside E20 in south west of Sweden. Actually the E20 road was used as the landing strip (according to my uncle that once flew Lansen in E1 by the way) at some times.

In the 50’s there was as decision to use the existing facilities to accommodate the E1 command on this secret war base. However this location was considered to be revealed for the Warsaw pact as a part of the Stig Wennerström spy scandal in the early 60’s. A new location was built in a mountain somewhere and the old was only used for training, until 1995 when E1 was disbanded.

[zerO_crash]

So LN, considering that official release of AJS-37 should be soon (unless you moved it, and I didn`t somehow register it), are there any plans to add a AJS-37 subforum and update your own website soon?

[JanTelefon]

I agree that "rotetvåa" is wingman, but is "rotetrea" even a thing? Never heard of it.

 

I honestly don't know. Perhaps I have made it up? Sounded right in my mind, but it might just be me assuming the third pilot would be the "rotetrea". I'm sorry if I caused any confusion.

[mattebubben]

Not directly Viggen Related.

 

But the up coming Free A-4E Mod released a video yesterday of its Air-Ground Radar functioning.

 

So sadly the Viggen will no longer be the first aircraft to show the air-ground radar capabilities =(.

 

Just a little something we've been working on in October... the AN/APG-53A radar!

 

s2SBQ5kdvSU

Edited October 17, 2016 by mattebubben

[zerO_crash]

Not directly Viggen Related.

 

But the up coming Free A-4E Mod just released Mod of its Air-Ground Radar features.

 

So sadly the Viggen will no longer be the first aircraft to show the air-ground radar capabilities =(.

 

 

Well depends what releases first. Hopefully my AJS-37 will tickle my christmas tree, but who knows... :joystick:

[mattebubben]

the AJS 37 might still be the first released module to have it.

 

But the A-4E showed it first =P.

 

Though it sadly does not really matter if one has worked on something for a long time and was the first to make it.

 

The first to display it to the public is usually the one who gets the credit =P not the one who discovered it first but only worked behind closed doors.

[zerO_crash]

the AJS 37 might still be the first released module to have it.

 

But the A-4E showed it first =P.

 

Does not really matter if one has worked on something for a long time and was the first to make it.

 

The first to display it to the public is usually the one who gets the credit =P.

 

Meh, would hardly agree with that. But hey, whatever makes you happy :smilewink:

 

On a second note, does anyone have any good info about BK-90? Kind of interested in how it`s employed. How do you designate it where you wish the bomb to glide and dispense? Any info would be appreciated.

 

Also, the radar is A-G, but does it actually have any A-G search functions (being capable of spotting vehicles), or is it primarily for mapping and the likes?

[mattebubben]

The Primary duty for the AJS 37 radar when it comes for Air-Ground was Terrain Mapping and searching for ships.

 

It is not able to (reliably) see and find Small Ground targets (tanks etc)

ive heard mention that some pilots that were expert at reading the radar

could sometimes spot smaller objects like vehicles an Structures on it (depending on alot of factors like terrain,Backdrop and the angle between the aircraft and the target etc)

but it was not something it was designed to do or effective at.

 

One has to remember that its a radar developed in the 1960s (and entering service in 1970).

 

So it was very capable for its time but its lacking compared to more modern Air-Ground Radars.

 

But it works very well for the purposes it was designed for.

 

The radar also has Ranging modes (Both Air-Air and Air-Ground modes) as well as a very basic Air-Air Search mode (Basically the same type of scan as the Air-Ground Scan but pointed Forward/Upwards and it will pick up aircraft with a clear sky as backdrop).

Edited October 17, 2016 by mattebubben

[zerO_crash]

The Primary duty for the AJS 37 radar when it comes for Air-Ground was Terrain Mapping and searching for ships.

 

It is not able to see and find Small Ground targets (tanks etc).

One has to remember that its a radar developed in the 1960s (and entering service in 1970).

 

So it was very capable for its time but its lacking compared to more modern Air-Ground Radars.

 

But it works very well for the purposes it was designed for.

 

The radar also has Ranging modes (Both Air-Air and Air-Ground modes) as well as a very basic Air-Air Search mode (Basically the same type of scan as the Air-Ground Scan but pointed Forward/Upwards and it will pick up aircraft with a clear sky as backdrop).

 

Ok, awesome, thx for info. :thumbup:

[shaggy]

Meh, would hardly agree with that. But hey, whatever makes you happy :smilewink:

 

On a second note, does anyone have any good info about BK-90? Kind of interested in how it`s employed. How do you designate it where you wish the bomb to glide and dispense? Any info would be appreciated.

 

Also, the radar is A-G, but does it actually have any A-G search functions (being capable of spotting vehicles), or is it primarily for mapping and the likes?

 

Seems like you manually aim it at the target and set the dispensers to go of at an set altitude ?

 

Edited October 17, 2016 by shaggy

[zerO_crash]

Seems like you manually aim it at the target and set the dispensers to go of at an set altitude ?

 

 

Couldn`t ask for more, splendid. Big thanks ;)

[mattebubben]

Seems like you manually aim it at the target and set the dispensers to go of at an set altitude ?

 

 

Well its designed to be able to be F&F using GPS Coordinates to let it use its max effective range and maintain high accuracy.

 

But i dont know if you could easily designate targets for it in flight or if you had to insert GPS Coordinates

(either Inflight or if it was only possible on the ground)

Edited October 17, 2016 by mattebubben

[zerO_crash]

Well the RB-15F can be either set up by giving it hard coordinates or designating spots on the ground with the radar and using the radar cursor for this. Not sure if the same applies for the BK-90 though.

 

@Cobra, are you willing to give a simple explanation of how one can designate for the BK-90?

[Pocket Sized]

Well the RB-15F can be either set up by giving it hard coordinates or designating spots on the ground with the radar and using the radar cursor for this

 

!!!

 

I assumed the radar had no cursor. I imagine you could, after some experience, visually survey the area and figure out what it would look like on radar then put the cursor where the targets should be. But this violates the Viggen's 20 meter service ceiling.

 

Totally thought you'd have to use JTAC or the radar range scale to figure out an offset from your current position, then manually convert/enter the offset coordinates. Not to mention recalibrating the INS before dropping