Dahlbeck Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Still, it truly is pretty strange that we haven't seen the formal announcement yet. After all, at New Year's, it was supposed to be a few weeks away...
mattebubben Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Still, it truly is pretty strange that we haven't seen the formal announcement yet. After all, at New Year's, it was supposed to be a few weeks away... For all we know it was. But plans change. Either way hopefully we will hear something this month or the next. The lack of a announcement is not out of spite. If they are waiting im sure they have their reasons. And maby they want the period from the announcement to the release to be as short as possible. So when they announce it they can show us a Product that is very close to release.
Akatsuki Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 And maby they want the period from the announcement to the release to be as short as possible. That's what i think as well. Still, a screenshot would be nice. :)
Uncle SAM Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 (edited) Edited June 12, 2016 by Uncle SAM That rusty old SAM
renhanxue Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 Firing a rb 05 at the Vidsel test range (Robotförsöksplats Norrland).
Medic8ed Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 The more I read and learn about this jet, the more and more I'm interested in it. When I first heard about it, I just passed by because I didn't know anything about. But since it seems like such a popular jet by the number of posts I figured I would read up about it - I didn't realize how capable this thing can be for ground attack! What I like most is that it's designed more for "get in and get out" or fast paced ground strike, instead of loitering around like the A-10. Not sure if this is a first day buy for me quite yet until I see it in action in the DCS environment, but if it gets confirmed that we actually get to toss Thor's hammer, then that might just persuade me! Hopefully we get some info soon, though I suspect LNS is going to wait till painfully close to release time :cry:
mattebubben Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 The viggen will be very nice to have in the Strike Role. and while it might not be able to kill as many ground units per sortie is a SU-25 or a A-10 it is able to get to and from the target area much faster. Which both increases the amount of sorties it can do and minimizes the time its exposed to danger (both air-air and air-ground) Since this bird is just as fast as the fighters we have in game (Mach 2 at alt and mach 1 on the deck. So if a enemy fighter finds you you actually have a decent chance of getting away and its also alot more capable of defending itself if it has to. I think most ppl who realize what it is and what it does before buying it will love it. But ppl who expect it to be like a F-16/F-18 or a Fast A-10 could be disappointed.
Medic8ed Posted June 12, 2016 Posted June 12, 2016 I think most ppl who realize what it is and what it does before buying it will love it. But ppl who expect it to be like a F-16/F-18 or a Fast A-10 could be disappointed. This is pretty much what I have come to realize in the past few days. I'm still not sure it's an instabuy for me, but I bet by the time it goes on sale I will have changed my mind....
dartuil Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 I know I wont buy the F-5E but not sure for the Viggen until I saw it moving ingame moving but its clear im more interested by Viggen than F-5. i7 2600k -- Noctua NH-D14--Asrock Z75 Pro3--ASUS GTX970 Strix --16Go Ripjaws X 1333--Thermaltake Smart M650--CoolerMaster Silencio 652S--AOC E2752VQ-- Sandisk Extreme II 480GB--Saitek X-52 Pro --SAITEK PZ35 Pedals
BravoYankee4 Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 We will probably not see anything about this bird until DCSW 2.5 is released.
YoYo Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 We will probably not see anything about this bird until DCSW 2.5 is released. Cobra said two weeks ;). Webmaster of http://www.yoyosims.pl Win 10 64, i9-13900 KF, RTX 5090 32Gb OC, RAM 64Gb Corsair Vengeance LED OC@3600MHz,, 3xSSD+3xSSD M.2 NVMe, Predator XB271HU res.2560x1440 27'' G-sync, Sound Blaster Z + 5.1, TiR5, [MSFS, P3Dv5, DCS, RoF, Condor2, IL-2 CoD/BoX] VR fly only: Meta Quest Pro
RaXha Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Cobra said two weeks ;). Pretty sure that was a joke :P
Jacks Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Yes, I do not think we wil see a Viggen in two weeks, may be a screenshot but not a finished aircraft. I don't think ED will release till after the Tiger and Spit as it would affect their sales. System Specs: i7 8700k @ 5.0GHz (not delidded), ASRock Extreme4 Z370 MOBO, EVGA GTX 1080 SC 8GB, 32GB Corsair Vengeance LPX 3200MHz DDR4 RAM, Samsung Evo 240GB SSD, Samsung Evo 500GB SSD, 1TB HDD, Noctura NH-D15S Heat Sink, Acer VE278H 27" 1080p Monitor, Ocukus Rift CV1. Controllers: TrackIR 5, Thrustmaster HOTAS X, Saitek Throttle Quadrant (with DIY removable collective mod), Saitek Pro Flight Rudder Pedals. Just trying to keep my number of takeoffs and landings equal!
didilman Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 Viggen will not affect spit and tiger sales for me I wont buy them. My only next plane is Viggen until F-14 and Hornet get out.
Kilrah Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 (edited) Pretty sure that was a joke :P Yeah, wouldn´t count on that. Remember that they also said that it would be announced in september 2015... havent been announced YET (by leatherneck...) Personally, I dont care anymore. It´s been so long since they hinted on the Viggen with no offical screens, hints or anything so I wouldnt be surprised if they scrapped the whole project. Dont get me wrong here, I would really really really hope for a Viggen (and a day one buy) but this lack of official news is kind of silly. Edited June 13, 2016 by Kilrah ASUS Z370, i7 8086K @ 5,2 Ghz, ASUS Strix GTX 1080, 16GB Ram, TM HOTAS Warthog, TrackIR 5, Saitek combat rudders, 25" 1440p monitor, Oculus Rift
mattebubben Posted June 13, 2016 Posted June 13, 2016 They never said they would announce the Viggen in September 2015. They probably intended to announce something. But plans and circumstances always change but they cant take back what they said a long time ago. And much of what they planned to do with the viggen was probably upset by the fact it was leaked (and my guess is we would have had an announcement by know without that leak) . And they have talked about the Viggen and that they are in the finishing stages of it (they have stated in the last few months that they are almost complete and are nearing the final polishing stage).
microvax Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 I tried to parse a bit of the newly declassified viggen manuals, especially the 90ies update. Really nice to see all that stuff declassified, so we can have an as real as possible Viggen in DCS. One thing I am wondering about though, is the way to employ DWS39/BK90 and I cant find anything about that in the 90s update, either because there is nothing or because my experimental guessing at the swedish language doesnt work all to well. :D My main question with the BK90 is really how the Viggens kinda bad NAV system accuracy will influence the BK90s accuracy, because if you lets say have 500m of accumulated error when you turn up on the launch position, even hitting a single vehicle would get pretty impossible in that case. :D And I somehow cant imagine that is the case, would make the integrationg of the BK90 pretty weird. So I could imagine the BK90s INS is running from plane startup onwards, and drifts less then the Viggens NAV system. But even that would lead to pretty big deviation from target. So I am really wondering if we have any info on how the BK90 employment is going to work and what accuracy we can expect. Really cant wait for that plane and hitting helicopters with RB05 slight overkill 160kg warhead. ))) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
RagnarDa Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 DCS: AJS-37 Viggen Discussion The Bk90 INS is only active from launch, or at least I think it is from what I can tell. To minimize the effect of accumulated navigational error the pilot are supposed to correct the airplanes indicated own position before launch by either doing a visual overfly over a predefined point and pressing a button or marking that point with radar. There is also a system in the AJS that is called TERRNAV that reads the radar altimeter and tries to figure out the position of the jet from that. And lastly, the Bk90s submunitions covers a pretty big area which helps. They are mostly launched in pairs to maximize this effect too. Apart from that, you are correct in that the Bk90 could be quite inaccurate if you are not careful. DCS AJS37 HACKERMAN There will always be bugs. If everything is a priority nothing is.
microvax Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Okay, that sounds really nice, so no point and click weapon system, cant wait for the Posts of people claiming its not working correctly ! :megalol: Can you enter the reference point to correct the Nav System during flight or does it have to be entered before flight ? Because if you can enter the coordinates during flight, you could form a package with an A10c which will be there to give you coordinates probably anyway, the a10c flies directly in one of the four directions [N,S,W,E], so only one of the coordinates changes, you fly directly behind him in a Viggen, enter the not changing part, give it a bit lead on the changing part and the a10c screams at you when he is overflying the point, so you should pretty much exactly update it with the correct point if you fly behind him. Then you burn away to 7km of alt to send your BK90s on their journey with maximum standoff and precision. :)) Another question, can we expect to be able to recognize areas like airports on Radar from something like 20km ? And Thx for the answers ! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 Yeah, wouldn´t count on that. Remember that they also said that it would be announced in september 2015... havent been announced YET (by leatherneck...) Personally, I dont care anymore. It´s been so long since they hinted on the Viggen with no offical screens, hints or anything so I wouldnt be surprised if they scrapped the whole project. Dont get me wrong here, I would really really really hope for a Viggen (and a day one buy) but this lack of official news is kind of silly. I would be supremely surprised if it were scrapped. After all, the leak was via Steam and I doubt ED would've put that to Valve if there were any question about their inability to deliver. That said, it's a bit irksome to not see any previews, yet. After all, we've seen the untextured Tomcat, wheels of an unfinished piston fighter, and we saw the MiG previewed in EDGE, too. I'd like to suggest to LNS that perhaps a little peek isn't too much to ask for. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
RaXha Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 I would be supremely surprised if it were scrapped. After all, the leak was via Steam and I doubt ED would've put that to Valve if there were any question about their inability to deliver. That said, it's a bit irksome to not see any previews, yet. After all, we've seen the untextured Tomcat, wheels of an unfinished piston fighter, and we saw the MiG previewed in EDGE, too. I'd like to suggest to LNS that perhaps a little peek isn't too much to ask for. Well, technically we have gotten a peak, we saw the splinter cammo in the headline of their last update.
Einherjer Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 And we saw a viggen Christmas tree formation I'm December ;)
hughlb Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 I wouldn't be too worried about the radio silence. I get the distinct impression that the Viggen was always intended to just be 'dropped' on the community when it was essentially complete. I'm not sure why LNS took this approach with this module, but boy would it have been exciting if it came out of nowhere! The leak kind of changed everything, we suddenly started expecting updates because we knew it existed, and now we're getting concerned if we don't hear anything. I think LNS are sticking to their guns; getting it near perfect before revealing. Not dissimilar to Belsimtek with the F-5 | Windows 10 | I7 4790K @ 4.4ghz | Asus PG348Q | Asus Strix 1080TI | 16GB Corsair Vengeance 2400 DDR3 | Asrock Fatal1ty Z97 | Samsung EVO 850 500GB (x2) | SanDisk 240GB Extreme Pro | Coolermaster Vanguard S 650Watt 80+ | Fractal Design R4 | VirPil T-50 | MFG Crosswind Graphite | KW-908 JetSeat Sim Edition | TrackIR 5 | [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Dahlbeck Posted June 14, 2016 Posted June 14, 2016 I wouldn't be too worried about the radio silence. I get the distinct impression that the Viggen was always intended to just be 'dropped' on the community when it was essentially complete. I'm not sure why LNS took this approach with this module, but boy would it have been exciting if it came out of nowhere! Just to get the history straight. Last March (or even Feb?), in 2015, it was said that a modern module as well as a WWII one (or similar wording) were to be announced within the next month (or two? - at most). Already back then we had enough clues to think it was the Viggen. That's how long we've been waiting for the official announcement.
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