AV-8B Harrier Thread

[=Mac=]

Just bought the Harrier. I don't have time to read all the forum notes and Google has nothing on it: when is it scheduled to be released? I heard somewhere, end of November.

[Sryan]

Just bought the Harrier. I don't have time to read all the forum notes and Google has nothing on it: when is it scheduled to be released? I heard somewhere, end of November.

 

The end of November is true, an exact date has not been announced.

[rjetster1]

Nice write up!!!

[Flamin_Squirrel]

I couldn't help but think, he must not fly helicopters?

 

From my understanding, heli experience is of limited value, perhaps even counter productive. There appears to be a few gotchas that helis don't suffer from (or at least less than the harrier). Insufficient power for hovering is uncommon for a heli but not for a harrier. Helicopters can fly sideways but IIRC this is dangerous in the harrier; I seem to remember there are control authority issues in some circumstances too.

 

Basically the harrier is not as forgiving so be careful!

[Ignition]

Soo, what about the data-link? I couldnt find it in the manual (I know its WIP)

[=Mac=]

The end of November is true, an exact date has not been announced.

 

Thanks.

 

Are we there yet?:)

[=Mac=]

From my understanding, heli experience is of limited value, perhaps even counter productive. There appears to be a few gotchas that helis don't suffer from (or at least less than the harrier). Insufficient power for hovering is uncommon for a heli but not for a harrier. Helicopters can fly sideways but IIRC this is dangerous in the harrier; I seem to remember there are control authority issues in some circumstances too.

 

Basically the harrier is not as forgiving so be careful!

 

If I wanted something easy to fly, I'd fold myself another paper airplane. I've seen the "Jump Jets" as we called them, fly years ago and KNEW they'd be difficult to control. What I still can't understand (from what little I've read) is how they can turn in a hover. But having this in my hangar is going to be great.

 

Edit: even paper airplanes have some control issues.

[timber3000]

From my understanding, heli experience is of limited value, perhaps even counter productive. There appears to be a few gotchas that helis don't suffer from (or at least less than the harrier). Insufficient power for hovering is uncommon for a heli but not for a harrier. Helicopters can fly sideways but IIRC this is dangerous in the harrier; I seem to remember there are control authority issues in some circumstances too.

 

Basically the harrier is not as forgiving so be careful!

I don't know how marines pilots are train, but RAF pilot had to take a six hours flight training in chopper before transitioning to the harrier. At least in the beginning.

[firmek]

Thanks.

 

Are we there yet?:)

End of November means that the only possible date is Friday 24'rth. Following week is December already and the previous one is 17'th which is middle of the month.

[Flamin_Squirrel]

Ah didn't realise that. I guess with suitable training that makes sense. Regardless, what i was trying to say is just because you can fly a helicopter, doesn't mean you can fly the harrier!

[Rammit]

Originally they sourced Harrier pilots from existing Helo pilots, but found they could not reconcile the fast jet portion of the envelope. Certainly in the RAF/RN Harrier pilots they are fast jet pilots just with some helo experience, rather than the inverse of helo pilot with some fast jet experience

[some1]

What I still can't understand (from what little I've read) is how they can turn in a hover.

 

 

Same way as spaceships, with RCS nozzles:

[Sryan]

Thanks.

 

Are we there yet?:)

 

Just 2² more weeks™

[Pipe]

Same way as spaceships, with RCS nozzles:

But none of what your showing could create direction change. Unless those nozzles can be vectors as well

 

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[Pipe]

Ok I see now the tail has left right thrust...sorry

 

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[Pipe]

This thing is going to be great!

 

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[DefaultFace]

Anyone know anything about the Moving Map? Can't find it even mentioned in the handbook or any of the screenshots/videos released.

[Paradox]

I Don't know if it's ever ask but, how is the Trim of the Harrier?( like the F15/M2K nothing to do ,or it's like the A10/Su33/...)??

 

It's not FBW so it should be quite conventional

[Scrape]

Ah didn't realise that. I guess with suitable training that makes sense. Regardless, what i was trying to say is just because you can fly a helicopter, doesn't mean you can fly the harrier!

 

In a way it does. Flying any helo is about understanding translation. Any helicopter has limitations and to understand those limitations while performing within them is why the RAF sent all of their Harrier pilots through helo training first. Moving a Harrier in a hover is about understanding translation of lift. If that concept can be grasp and understood then it isn't a problem to land vertically in the Harrier. The best way to learn translation is in a helicopter.

 

To put a Harrier down where you want it means the pilot can interpret how to counter the forces acting on his aircraft. Thrust is not a problem once the Harrier is light, and there isn't a directional stability problem. Weather vane effect would be comparable to a helo. The biggest difference is working with a limited bank angle before the aircraft departs compared to a helicopter. Avoiding pilot induced oscillations is also a skill learned in a helicopter.

[WR269]

But none of what your showing could create direction change. Unless those nozzles can be vectors as well

 

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There is lots of information available, as well as some great videos...look at this one

 

[Panzerfan]

Anyone know anything about the Moving Map? Can't find it even mentioned in the handbook or any of the screenshots/videos released.

 

Those are only in the old Hawker Harrier I the Harrier II doesn't have one afaik

[=Mac=]

Ok I see now the tail has left right thrust...sorry

 

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I just saw this:

 

[=Mac=]

...Avoiding pilot induced oscillations is also a skill learned in a helicopter.

 

Unfortunately, I have yet to acquire that skill in the Huey or the Gazelle. If I have been flying the Huey for a while and then get in my car to drive somewhere, I find myself nodding yes alot. Or nodding a bank angle back and forth somewhat. Wifey has yet to complain about it. Probably confirms to her that I'm crazy.

[DefaultFace]

@Panzerfan There’s videos of it on YouTube..... also mentioned in the ever trusty Wikipedia :P I assume the mapm button on the EHSD is for this?

 

Look when he’s taking off left MPCD.

[Pasquale1986]

@Panzerfan There’s videos of it on YouTube..... also mentioned in the ever trusty Wikipedia :P I assume the mapm button on the EHSD is for this?

 

Look when he’s taking off left MPCD.

 

There is also a composer manual available for the AV-8B Moving Map:

 

http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA347231

 

So it definetily exists