Aeger Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) The other day I identified a tank using my TGP (high zoom level) and set it as SPI, slaved my sensors to it, zoomed in with my Maverick (AGM-65D), locked and rifled. Maverick instead flew past the target and struck a house 50ft away... (that house needed a remodel anyway). My question is, is it safe to use these with neutral or friendly elements in the region? How do I determine which little black dot my Maverick has locked? Sometimes they're impossible to see on my MFCD let alone identify... In the past I've tried to lock onto the lead vehicle in a convoy only to hit the ones in the rear. If I just had a missile which could follow laser guidance... then those poor people could have been saved :cry: Edited December 14, 2015 by Aeger [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Yurgon Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 My hit rate with Mavs is fairly good, so I would call them safe to use. In a danger close situation, I'd probably try to get closer so I can positively identify the target that the Mav locks on to. But with no friendlies around, locking at max range is usually okay in my book. Like you said, some of the houses need a remodeling anyway. :D Just one question: how do you lock targets with the Mav? Do you slew the cursor until it finds something to lock on to? Because it's easier and more reliable to just push TMS up short until it locks. So the workflow would be: Set TGP as SPI generator, slew TGP over target, Slave all to SPI, and with Mav as SOI, keep hitting TMS up short until it locks (works better with narrow field of view, obviously). Using this method, I think my Mavs hit the intended target >95%. :thumbup:
baltic_dragon Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Haha, I remember some posts ago you were at 99%, Yurgon! Still it is true - they are safe to use and if you rifle from medium range (3-5 miles) you could be pretty sue what you are aiming at. And as Yurgon says, good coordination betweenTGP for spotting / slaving and Mav for locking is important. What I would recommend you to do is to set up the TGP screen on left MFCD and Mav on right MFCD. That way you could cross - check if you lock what tou really intend to. For more information, please visit my website. If you want to reach me with a bug report, feedback or a question, it is best to do this via my Discord channel. Details about the WinWing draw can be found here. Also, please consider following my channel on Facebook.
Aeger Posted December 14, 2015 Author Posted December 14, 2015 So the workflow would be: Set TGP as SPI generator, slew TGP over target, Slave all to SPI, and with Mav as SOI, keep hitting TMS up short until it locks (works better with narrow field of view, obviously). Using this method, I think my Mavs hit the intended target >95%. :thumbup: Yep have been doing that. Somehow while hitting TMS up I ended up locking an infrared signature to the left of the tank (the house). What I would recommend you to do is to set up the TGP screen on left MFCD and Mav on right MFCD. That way you could cross - check if you lock what tou really intend to. Doing that too, just having difficulty verifying that my Mav locked the right target. Maybe I need to get in closer to ensure a successful hit... I think I released from about 6 miles out. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Yurgon Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 Haha, I remember some posts ago you were at 99%, Yurgon! Yeah, I didn't fly any A-10C lately, that's why my hit rate went down. :megalol: Doing that too, just having difficulty verifying that my Mav locked the right target. Maybe I need to get in closer to ensure a successful hit... I think I released from about 6 miles out. 6 nm doesn't sound too far away. I hardly get closer to the target. Although IIRC I've had Mavs lock on to the wrong target, but since I wanted to kill that anyway, I declared it a successful hit. ;)
whaaw Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 i noticed that not all know that you can switch the Mav camera also from Wide to noarrow like the tgp cam (pressing V). I dont know if its possible with both types (D,H) but it helps to identify target at max mav range :-) SFMBE
QuiGon Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 I also have few to none problems with my Mavs. They usally hit what I want them to hit. I'm usally using them close to max range ~9nm. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Kimi_uy Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 I don't recall where or when, but I've heard that for CAS, mavericks are a no go. Again, that's what I've heard. Maybe nowadays the current maverick s with improved seekers are more reliable. Enviado desde mi SM-G920I mediante Tapatalk [sIGPIC]][/sIGPIC] Fuel Planning Tool | DCS: A-10C SADL MOD | Kimi's Arma 3 Mods | Twitch.tv
Aginor Posted December 15, 2015 Posted December 15, 2015 A Maverick is a pretty precise weapon, when you slave it to the TGP and fire from not too far awway (3-4nm) it will hit its target pretty accurately in DCSW. Exception is moving targets that get masked by buildings and so on. So if the ROE say no endangering of civil buildings, don't attack the tank near the village. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
Zimmerdylan Posted December 16, 2015 Posted December 16, 2015 The other day I identified a tank using my TGP (high zoom level) and set it as SPI, slaved my sensors to it, zoomed in with my Maverick (AGM-65D), locked and rifled. Maverick instead flew past the target and struck a house 50ft away... (that house needed a remodel anyway). My question is, is it safe to use these with neutral or friendly elements in the region? How do I determine which little black dot my Maverick has locked? Sometimes they're impossible to see on my MFCD let alone identify... In the past I've tried to lock onto the lead vehicle in a convoy only to hit the ones in the rear. If I just had a missile which could follow laser guidance... then those poor people could have been saved :cry: I can picture Dan Rather commenting on it right now, on the 6 oclock news.
Aginor Posted December 17, 2015 Posted December 17, 2015 btw: 50 feet is nothing. Even if the Maverick hadn't hit the house it would have been damaged, depending on the materials it was build of and where its windows were, people inside the house would have been hurt or killed even if Aeger hit his intended target. And even if the explosion of the Maverick would not have done much damage to the house: The tank will most likely explode as well during/after being hit by the Maverick. In any of these situation the people living in the house would have a bad day. So in the end it really boils down to the ROE. In the Kosovo conflict the distance from civil buildings that allowed attacking a tank with a Maverick was 200 meters or something like that. DCSW weapons cheat sheet speed cheat sheet
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