RAZBAM_ELMO Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 Everyone has the wrong idea here. Supercruise is not defined as above mach1 without ab. It is defined as mach1.5 without ab. Technically the f86 and f5 can both hit machine 1 without ab. So do you then consider that to be Supercruise? So my mig 21 can Supercruise at 5000m in clean configuration at 85%rpm n1? Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Everyone has the wrong idea here. Supercruise is not defined as above mach1 without ab. It is defined as mach1.5 without ab. In fact, there is the wikipedia definition of "Supercruise", which is, i think, the good one: Supercruise is sustained supersonic flight of a supersonic aircraft with a useful cargo, passenger, or weapons load performed efficiently, which typically precludes the use of highly inefficient afterburners (reheat) So, in fact, the definition is fuzzy... Which is logical, since "supercruise" is another kind of marketing concept. "Ho look, my plane is "Supercruise" ! this is... Super !" Technically the f86 and f5 can both hit machine 1 without ab. So do you then consider that to be Supercruise? So my mig 21 can Supercruise at 5000m in clean configuration at 85%rpm n1? According to the wikipedia definition, yes, they are kind of "Supercruise"... Oups ? Is that mean that this kind of "marketing concept" has nothing to do with "aircraft generation" ? :music_whistling: However, no doubt that engines efficiency increased since the F-5 or Mig-21, so yes, aircraft like Rafale, F-22 or other 4-5th generation, are probably more easily "Supercruise"... justifying the new super concept "Supercruise" Edited February 3, 2017 by sedenion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 According to the wikipedia definition, yes, they are kind of "Supercruise"... Oups ? Is that mean that this kind of "marketing concept" has nothing to do with "aircraft generation" ? :music_whistling: However, no doubt that engines efficiency increased since the F-5 or Mig-21, so yes, aircraft like Rafale, F-22 or other 4-5th generation, are probably more easily "Supercruise"... justifying the new super concept "Supercruise" I don't think they can sustain it, if so, no supercruise. The definition has 3 aspect, which are quite subjective : 1- sustained (I'd assume level flight for more than just several minutes) 2- useful load (just 2 heaters can be deemed as useful load depending on the mission) 3- efficiency (how much is efficient ? an A/B that is light on fuel consumption can still be considered as efficient I guess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 In fact, there is the wikipedia definition of "Supercruise", which is, i think, the good one: So, in fact, the definition is fuzzy... Which is logical, since "supercruise" is another kind of marketing concept. "Ho look, my plane is "Supercruise" ! this is... Super !" According to the wikipedia definition, yes, they are kind of "Supercruise"... Oups ? Is that mean that this kind of "marketing concept" has nothing to do with "aircraft generation" ? :music_whistling: However, no doubt that engines efficiency increased since the F-5 or Mig-21, so yes, aircraft like Rafale, F-22 or other 4-5th generation, are probably more easily "Supercruise"... justifying the new super concept "Supercruise" Exactly. Just a marketing term for gen 4+ and 5. I like the term sustained supersonic flight without the use of an afterburner. Lol. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 With the new parasitic drag parameters being added to the fuel tanks and the 530 I believe the issue of "supercruise" will be wrung out and solved. So in clean configuration the m2k may be able to sustain supersonic flight without the use of AB however the term of supercruise meaning sustained supersonic flight without the use of AB and a combat load out does not any longer apply to this airframe. Sent from my SM-G900W8 using Tapatalk Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted February 3, 2017 Share Posted February 3, 2017 (edited) Technically the f86 and f5 can both hit machine 1 without ab. So do you then consider that to be Supercruise? So my mig 21 can Supercruise at 5000m in clean configuration at 85%rpm n1? Excuse me? Not in real life. Just some examples F-5... supersonic flight not possible w/o AB Let's take a modern a/c like the Super Hornet... So I don't see it that common as you make us to think... I checked my Flight Manuals library and only High-end fighters like F-15, F-14, Mig-29... are able to maintain supersonic w/o AB, barely making it and with just 2 heaters (F-16 is a surprising miss though) Regards! Edited February 3, 2017 by amalahama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDpilot Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 the best FM evolution stage since release. but now mirage has a "overweight" tail. tailslide is not possible anymore. please return the tailslide ability. hardware to fly around the world now У авторов РЛЭ уж точно данные продувок в распоряжении были Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCatMucDe Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 may I ask if Zeus is still working on the M2000 or did he already move to the Harrier? I have been looking forward so much to the radar fixes... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobeshow Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Regarding Radar CCM https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3041683&postcount=10 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "DCS World is the main public build, it has nothing to do with being stable" -Bignewy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Hi there RAZBAM team, did any more changes made it into today's update ? Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeus67 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 may I ask if Zeus is still working on the M2000 or did he already move to the Harrier? I have been looking forward so much to the radar fixes... Now I must juggle time with each aircraft. At this time the AV-8B is taking the lion's share due to me waiting for some info/data for the M-2000C. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esac_mirmidon Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I think the ECLAIR pod is still wrong. With every press of the button the system counts double flare instead of one already released. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCatMucDe Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Now I must juggle time with each aircraft. At this time the AV-8B is taking the lion's share due to me waiting for some info/data for the M-2000C. I understand. I'm sure you have learned a lot from the Mirage and the harrier will see a faster progress. May I ask which Infos are you waiting for? And when do you think the radar elevation reset and CCM can be fixed ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dugong Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Is the A/G guns solution going to be looked at? The rounds always fall short of the computed solution, with TAS being significantly worse than RS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
some1 Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 Is the A/G guns solution going to be looked at? The rounds always fall short of the computed solution, with TAS being significantly worse than RS. I confirm. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil T-50CM, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plaiskool Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Why so much regression since last update in the 2000 flight model? Edited February 16, 2017 by plaiskool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_1stVFW Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Why so much regression since last update in the 2000 fly model? Flight* model Because it was implemented inaccurately and RAZBAM is doing their best to fix that Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G900A using Tapatalk Aurora R7 || i7K 8700K || 2TB 7200RPM SATA 6Gb/s || 2TB M.2 PCIe x4 SSD || GTX 1080 Ti with 11GB GDDR5X || Windows 10 Pro || 32GB Dual Channel DDR4 at 2667MHz || Virpil Warbird Base || Virpil T-50 Stick || Virpil MT-50 Throttle || Thrustmaster TPR Pedals || Oculus Rift Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jugdriver Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 (edited) Why so much regression since last update in the 2000 fly model? I think this thread/post made a clear argument to the issue (only the first few pages are useful, then it degenerates). https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=177149 I find this to be spot on with the new flight model: Yes and no. The mirage with its delta wing has an ability to gain first shot opportunity on almost any fighter if the pilot desires but it comes at a cost. The high bleed rates of the delta wing also leads to high drag at low altitudes and its lack of thrust makes it a dog once its bled down JD AKA_MattE Edited February 16, 2017 by Jugdriver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myHelljumper Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 Yeah, I made a performance chart for my squadron training and it really fit what one could expect. We can even see the curve go back up when the slat deploys. If you guys are interested I can provide you with this chart :). Helljumper - M2000C Guru Helljumper's Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCK3rTjezLUxPbWHvJJ3W2fA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HDpilot Posted February 19, 2017 Share Posted February 19, 2017 I think this thread/post made a clear argument to the issue (only the first few pages are useful, then it degenerates). https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=177149 I find this to be spot on with the new flight model: Yes and no. The mirage with its delta wing has an ability to gain first shot opportunity on almost any fighter if the pilot desires but it comes at a cost. The high bleed rates of the delta wing also leads to high drag at low altitudes and its lack of thrust makes it a dog once its bled down JD AKA_MattE From soviet ministry of defense, calculated and analysed amongs other by zhukowski aviation academy: http://militera.lib.ru/manuals/0/pdf/tp_mirage.pdf hardware to fly around the world now У авторов РЛЭ уж точно данные продувок в распоряжении были Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Painter- Posted February 20, 2017 Share Posted February 20, 2017 I confirm. Is the A/G guns solution going to be looked at? The rounds always fall short of the computed solution, with TAS being significantly worse than RS....confirmed. Opposite applies for CCRP - bombs falling always long, if you do not anticipate this. Regards REAPER 31 | Painter [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomCatMucDe Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I have the feeling that the Mirag is left aside unfnished. What a pity, we are almost there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lemoen Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 ...confirmed. Opposite applies for CCRP - bombs falling always long, if you do not anticipate this. They fall correctly if you maintain 1G during release. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 From soviet ministry of defense, calculated and analysed amongs other by zhukowski aviation academy: http://militera.lib.ru/manuals/0/pdf/tp_mirage.pdf Beware, this documentation is about the Mirage 2000 with M53-5 Engine, less powerfull than the later M53-P2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojo Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 They fall correctly if you maintain 1G during release. The procedure in Mirage 2000 is to release with full aft stick (around 5G), to stay out of defense area. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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