diveplane Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 http://www.wavy.com/Global/story.asp?S=4923666&nav=menu45_2 intresting story https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
Pilotasso Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 Old news. Every new aircraft suffers from several glitches. The Typhoon also has glitches. In my country several MLU F-16 have been exiting the production line with glitches. The F-22 makes headlines because of the lobies. .
Kenan Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 F-$$ driver not being able to get out of the cockpit and people having to chainsaw his way out? That was not a 'glitch'. That was a catastrophe of epical proportions. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
tflash Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 I am so happy I only need the PC for my spreadsheets and stuff. If it gets stuck, I just press Ctrl-alt-del and get a beer. Imagine you are in a Mach 2 aircraft totally controlled by the computer! In the middle of dogfight you get "error loading pentagonchitchat.sys" "press Escape Quit or insert recovery disc". Bummer! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Pilotasso Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 F-$$ driver not being able to get out of the cockpit and people having to chainsaw his way out? That was not a 'glitch'. That was a catastrophe of epical proportions. LOL "epic prortions?" Compared to what? To the Su-35 at Le Bourget? :D At least F-$$ arent allowed to fly before serious glitches are fixed. .
Crusty Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 I am so happy I only need the PC for my spreadsheets and stuff. If it gets stuck, I just press Ctrl-alt-del and get a beer. Imagine you are in a Mach 2 aircraft totally controlled by the computer! In the middle of dogfight you get "error loading pentagonchitchat.sys" "press Escape Quit or insert recovery disc". Bummer! Fortunately, modern fighters with computer control systems actually have 3 or 4 independent systems, some I have heard basically take vote and the majority decision is acted on.......that could be a bit dodgy in a 4 computer system tho:megalol: I suppose it would be rare to get 2 out of 4 bad systems oo err...missus:animals_bunny: ** Anti-Pastie**
NEODARK Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 Compared to what? To the Su-35 at Le Bourget? :D What happened there?
BladeLWS Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 I think he's refering to this one! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckvel2UEtPs&search=bourget
Pilotasso Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 Exactly. The FBW system was held responsible for that crash. .
504 Wolverine Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 Every report into that crash I have seen states it was pilot error that was responsible for that crash and not equipment failure. Longer version. I would say that the pilot judged his height for this manoeuvre wrong. [/url]
Kenan Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 LOL "epic prortions?" Compared to what? To the Su-35 at Le Bourget? :D That was a pilot error and planes crashing happens all the time. You can't compare those two at all. F22 is a no0b, point n' click plane and I heard the latest types have a small chainsaw in the cockpit for the emergency situations. Flanker is a lot cheaper and it looks beatiful. If F$$ had a sex, it would sure as hell like to bang one of those Su-35's. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Commanding Officer of: 2nd Company 1st financial guard battalion "Mrcine" See our squads here and our . Croatian radio chat for DCS World
Force_Feedback Posted July 17, 2006 Posted July 17, 2006 Ok, first of all, it was a Su-30MKI, there was no equipment failure, just a stressed pilot that had to fly an alternative routine after his display time was cut short. The dude did one roll too many, scraped the ground, one engine was on fire, the other had a TVC system "malfunction" (due to the nozzles scraping the ground) and so one nozzle was stuck in the pitch up position. The pilots tried to recover the plane, but when they realised it was uncoltrollable, they ejected, and thanks to the K-36D 3.5 ejection seat, which chose one of the 150 modes that fitted the situation (low level, inverted with a pitch moment) the seat's rockets gimballed in such a way to give as much altitude as possible, while ejecting away from the plane. If they were sitting in MB Mk-10s they would be evenly smeared across the lump of metal that was the seat a few seconds ago. Lol, isn't a chainsaw on the forbidden list of air baggage? Don't they have to install a bulletproof door, with a secret code, in order to guarantee flight safety? :megalol: One F-$$ already crashed due to a software error, and with the prototype it was a routine to have some kind of computer crash in mid flight. Guess the flight software has become as efficient as Windows and other popular software (lots of nice gizmos, bad performance and an unclear GUI structure) :(. Give them 16 Mhz, they do something nice and efficient, give them 4 Ghz, they make the same thing, but it will only start running on a 2Ghz+ cpu :( Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Pilotasso Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 If F$$ had a sex, it would sure as hell like to bang one of those Su-35's. It may be point and click but then you cant win wars with macho atitudes torwards flying either. ;) Digital Integration in the cocpits will always be much better than finger TTA counters. :P .
Roman G Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 Every report into that crash I have seen states it was pilot error that was responsible for that crash and not equipment failure. Longer version. I would say that the pilot judged his height for this manoeuvre wrong. Wow ! Excelent demonstration of the ejection seats ! I though you can eject only up-perpendicular from the plane but it looks like on the video the seats are ejected in front of aircraft nose ! Even if the plane is upside down they got ejected and gained altitude !
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 I am so happy I only need the PC for my spreadsheets and stuff. If it gets stuck, I just press Ctrl-alt-del and get a beer. Imagine you are in a Mach 2 aircraft totally controlled by the computer! In the middle of dogfight you get "error loading pentagonchitchat.sys" "press Escape Quit or insert recovery disc". Bummer!I was in a multimillion dollar machine (mobile equpment) when main computer crashed. I know the feeling. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
4c Hajduk Veljko Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 At $350 000 per F-22, it is just plain embarrassing to use a chainsaw to “open” the cockpit. The chainsaw does not mean that F-22 is a failure either. Thermaltake Kandalf LCS | Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R | Etasis ET750 (850W Max) | i7-920 OC to 4.0 GHz | Gigabyte HD5850 | OCZ Gold 6GB DDR3 2000 | 2 X 30GB OCZ Vertex SSD in RAID 0 | ASUS VW266H 25.5" | LG Blue Ray 10X burner | TIR 5 | Saitek X-52 Pro | Logitech G930 | Saitek Pro flight rudder pedals | Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
WhiskeyRomeo Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 Every report into that crash I have seen states it was pilot error that was responsible for that crash and not equipment failure.Of course "they" are going to say its pilot error. :pilotfly: Who is going to want to buy an aircraft with systems problems?
dynamocl Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 At $350,000 per F-22 I bet the USA wished it was that price. Not one of the F22 fanbois, but it is old news anyway. I imagine nearly all airframe types have had similar problems, canopy control mechanism freeze etc. All part of the "Beta" testing stage, just slightly embarrasing this was released to the public. If I were head of the programme, I would quickly like to find out which muppet got out his digital camera and took photos then sent them to the press. Just shows how easy it is to take photos of this stuff and pass them on... wonder how many inside and more detailed photos have been taken by the technicians for "personal" use.
Pilotasso Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 Actualy the unit price has fluctuated betweeen 99 and 150 Million dollars. .
Force_Feedback Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 Of course "they" are going to say its pilot error. :pilotfly: Who is going to want to buy an aircraft with systems problems? That would be illogical, as the pilots are also trained in the use of the back up solid state FBW sytem (the ones they have been flying with in the vanilla su-27) It's just that the Su-27 is very unforgiving when exceeding max AoA at slow speeds/high sinkrates, 3 of them were filmed on tape, one in 1992 (with the post crash ejection), one in 1999 with the su-30MKI, and one in august 2002, where a heavy su-27UB exceeded AoA limits causing the speed to bleed, this and misjudgement of the engine spool up time caused it, killing over 80 spectators and wounding 4 times more. There have been fbw improvements at Sukhoi, as the Su-27SKM (single seat multirole, but not the su-35) doesn't have canards, but an improved FBW system, making it as agile as with canards, that's what the Sukhoi site said at least. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
diveplane Posted July 18, 2006 Author Posted July 18, 2006 story made me laugh though when it read pilot was stuck in cockpit for 5 hours ,..new..callsign spam https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
bflagg Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 word is , the pilot was opening / closing the cockpit without letting the actuator cool.....so murphy's law say's things will go wrong when you least want it (as opposed to...why didn't it get stuck while in the up position?) Thanks, Brett
diveplane Posted July 18, 2006 Author Posted July 18, 2006 manual emergency pull here to open canopy no? this f22 imo has to much electronic mumble jumble inside it......insane price tag as well.,.i..hate the thing ,its all hipe on it.. back 2 ww2 ideas.. slide open slide closed canopy for the f22 lol https://www.youtube.com/user/diveplane11 DCS Audio Modding.
Jay Posted July 18, 2006 Posted July 18, 2006 I would say that the pilot judged his height for this manoeuvre wrong. This guy also did... http://www.f-16.net/gallery_item15769.html [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] AMD Athlon 64 3000+ (Venice, OC to 2,66 GHz), MSI K8N Neo Platinum (nForce 3 250 Gb), 1,5 GB Corsair PC-3200 RAM, GeForce 7800GS 256 MB VGA (G71, OC to 535/1550 MHz, ForceWare 84.21), 2 x 300 GB Maxtor DiamondMax 10 SATA HDD (RAID 0), SB Audigy 2 ZS, 480W Thermaltake PurePower TWV PSU, Win XP SP2, MS SideWinder Precision 2, Belkin Nostromo n52 SpeedPad, HP L1902
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