Dragonares76 Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 Hi ! Here it is in the title : How can I guide others GBUs to a target using my TGP and Laser designation in A10C ? First, is it simply possible ? Then, do the bombs have to be set on the same laser code than my TGP (I suppose it have to be), and how to set the code on other planes ? Or do I have to set my laser to the code of their bombs ? (in that case, how to know which code is used on other planes bombs ?) As this is an actual used strategy in many air forces in the world, me and my friends would like to do the same ! Thanks in advance for your answers ! DragonArès76 "Clear to startup ... Contact ..." Geoffrey Wellum - First Light [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Blackeye Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 (edited) The bombs laser code has to match the laser code of the illuminating platform. You can set your GBUs laser code via inventory page of the DSMS IIRC - the code of you laser can be set on the TGP. And yes you need to know the codes - default is 1688. Edited January 12, 2016 by Blackeye
mhe Posted January 12, 2016 Posted January 12, 2016 1.) Agree with buddy on lasing code (default is 1688 for all bombs and all TGPs on all aircraft) 2.) Lasing party sets code in the TGP config via the scratchpad 3.) Bombing party sets agreed code for the selected LGB in the corresponding weapons profile 4.) Lase! 5.) Pickle! 6.) Profit! | i9 12900K | 64GB DDR5-6000 | STRIX RTX 4090 OC | LG 38GN950 38" | | Hanns-G HT225HPB | TIR 5 & Varjo Aero | Virpil Throttle & Stick | TM TPRs | You don't stop playing because you grow old, you grow old because you stop playing.
JazonXD Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 As far as I know, it's possible. You guys just have to agree on the laser code. The one dropping the bomb will enter the laser code through the weapons profile or inventory (one of those, I don't remember) and the person lasing has to set laser code in the TGP controls. AMD 5600X -- Gigabyte RTX 3070 Vision -- 32GB 3600MHz DDR4 -- HP Reverb G2 -- Logitech 3D Extreme Pro -- Thrustmaster TWCS BRRRT! Car and aviation enthusiast, gun nut and computer nerd!
Xavven Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 It's very important to coordinate when to turn the laser on. If your buddy just lases the entire time while you pickle from 20,000 ft, your bomb is going to fall short. I always tell my buddy when to start lasing, and that is always at 10 to 12 seconds time to impact.
QuiGon Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Like it has already been said, it is very much possible to do so. So, just a little remark from my side: After the next update it will also be possible to use the A-10C to lase targets for the Mirage 2000C which can drop LGBs but cant guide them. Just in case you or your friends fly the Mirage as well ;) Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Deezle Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 It's very important to coordinate when to turn the laser on. If your buddy just lases the entire time while you pickle from 20,000 ft, your bomb is going to fall short. I always tell my buddy when to start lasing, and that is always at 10 to 12 seconds time to impact. At least when dropping your own bomb it doesn't actually start guiding on the laser until 15s from impact, I don't imagine buddy lasing changing that. Intel 9600K@4.7GHz, Asus Z390, 64GB DDR4, EVGA RTX 3070, Custom Water Cooling, 970 EVO 1TB NVMe 34" UltraWide 3440x1440 Curved Monitor, 21" Touch Screen MFD monitor, TIR5 My Pit Build, Moza AB9 FFB w/WH Grip, TMWH Throttle, MFG Crosswinds W/Combat Pedals/Damper, Custom A-10C panels, Custom Helo Collective, SimShaker with Transducer
gospadin Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 At least when dropping your own bomb it doesn't actually start guiding on the laser until 15s from impact, I don't imagine buddy lasing changing that. manual says 8s for best accuracy i've used 8-12s successfully either way, lase time has to be manually coordinated My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
Dragonares76 Posted January 13, 2016 Author Posted January 13, 2016 (edited) Thanks for answers guys ! Like it has already been said, it is very much possible to do so. So, just a little remark from my side: After the next update it will also be possible to use the A-10C to lase targets for the Mirage 2000C which can drop LGBs but cant guide them. Just in case you or your friends fly the Mirage as well Yep the main reason I was asking is concerning guiding for 2000Cs, i forgot to write it in the subject post. So we'll have to wait the next update in that case ^^ It's very important to coordinate when to turn the laser on. If your buddy just lases the entire time while you pickle from 20,000 ft, your bomb is going to fall short. I always tell my buddy when to start lasing, and that is always at 10 to 12 seconds time to impact. Well Ok, but in that case, how do you activate manually the lasing of the TGP, because it seems to be binded with the launch of my bombs ... Do the TGP know that a bomb from a friend nearby is dropped ? Is there a button or sequence to activate the laser manually without dropping a bomb my self ? manual says 8s for best accuracy i've used 8-12s successfully either way, lase time has to be manually coordinated I use 20 sec manually set on profile before releasing the bombs, and it remains greatly accurate ^^ (anyway it seems the bomb is aiming starting from 15 sec before impact) Edited January 13, 2016 by Dragonares76 "Clear to startup ... Contact ..." Geoffrey Wellum - First Light [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
BitMaster Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 The time you can lase the target corresponds in some way to the weapon's glide path. If you illuminate too early the weapon will steer too early and thus bleed off too much energy = falls short :( I think that is how it is explained somewhere in a PDF... makes sense Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Yurgon Posted January 13, 2016 Posted January 13, 2016 Well Ok, but in that case, how do you activate manually the lasing of the TGP, because it seems to be binded with the launch of my bombs ... Do the TGP know that a bomb from a friend nearby is dropped ? Is there a button or sequence to activate the laser manually without dropping a bomb my self ? When dropping from an A-10C, you can set the TGP to auto-lase. With buddy-lasing, this option isn't available, since the TGP has no way to know when to start and stop lasing in this case. To lase manually, the A-10C pilot simply needs to depress the HOTAS pinky button (Controls -> HOTAS -> HOTAS Nosewheel Steering Button) and make sure that an "L" keeps flashing in the TGP. There are, obviously, prerequisites, and the manual does a fine job of explaining them and the basic procedure in detail. :thumbup: As for the M-2000C, I don't know yet how to get the weapon's flight time. I guess it won't be too different than when it's dropped from an A-10, so unless the M-2000C provides the estimated time of flight for the GBU-12, I'm sure someone will post a table with rough estimates for various altitudes, if such a table hasn't already been posted. :)
Xavven Posted January 14, 2016 Posted January 14, 2016 At least when dropping your own bomb it doesn't actually start guiding on the laser until 15s from impact, I don't imagine buddy lasing changing that. Cool, I didn't know that. Even with that feature, however, I do know from experience that my bombs fall short if I begin lasing too early. And on my first buddy lasing attempt I made the same mistake (as the designator) and my wingman's GBU-12 missed. We didn't see where it landed as it was night and I was heads down watching for weapons effect through the TGP. We had his bomb's code matching my TGP laser, and my TGP was set for Laser, not Pointer or Both. It was definitely the timing. :(
Dragonares76 Posted January 14, 2016 Author Posted January 14, 2016 Thanks Yurgon and you all guys ! I'll study that closely ! "Clear to startup ... Contact ..." Geoffrey Wellum - First Light [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mike5560 Posted January 16, 2016 Posted January 16, 2016 Cool, I didn't know that. Even with that feature, however, I do know from experience that my bombs fall short if I begin lasing too early. And on my first buddy lasing attempt I made the same mistake (as the designator) and my wingman's GBU-12 missed. We didn't see where it landed as it was night and I was heads down watching for weapons effect through the TGP. We had his bomb's code matching my TGP laser, and my TGP was set for Laser, not Pointer or Both. It was definitely the timing. :( Or your wingman could've employed off the wrong SPI, i.e. a steerpoint vs TGP.
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