DCS Tucano

[Zeus67]

Why did you guys cancel the T-2 and then start work on yet another trainer? I sincerely don't understand this from a business point of view :huh:

 

The T-2 has nothing beyond carrier ops going for it. As an attack bird is even lacking in the weapons department since its loading capacity is quite limited. This is an aircraft solely designed for training pilots, whatever bombing capacity it has is also for training.

 

The Tucano, is primarily a trainer, but it was also designed to be used as a COIN aircraft with a respectable ordnance load. Greater than the T-2.

 

The Super Tucano is primarily a COIN, Air Recce and Air Observer aircraft that can be also used to train pilots. Different philosophies. It can carry anything that a F-18 or a Harrier can, except for radar guided weapons.

It can do ground based air intercepts thanks to the ability to carry a pair of Sidewinders or Israeli Pythons. I can carry a laser designator and guide GBUs or carry them as well. In other words it is a very powerful light attack aircraft. It lacks nothing in the avionics department with a full glass cockpit with 3 MFDs.

 

 

[Zeus67]

 

Afghan A-29 Super Tucano.

Edited February 1, 2016 by Zeus67

[King_Hrothgar]

I think that's the main issue. A lot would actually really like the Super Tucano but the basic trainer model has far more limited appeal. Or is it the Super Tucano that is being made? If so, much of this thread is just a misunderstanding.

[Home Fries]

The Super Tucano would make for some absolutely awesome COIN missions when paired with the Huey. I'd have a lot of fun for sure.

[hannibal]

turboprop and MFDs??

 

I WILL BUY THIS!!!!

[AussieGhost789]

The T-2 has nothing beyond carrier ops going for it. As an attack bird is even lacking in the weapons department since its loading capacity is quite limited. This is an aircraft solely designed for training pilots, whatever bombing capacity it has is also for training.

 

The Tucano, is primarily a trainer, but it was also designed to be used as a COIN aircraft with a respectable ordnance load. Greater than the T-2.

 

The Super Tucano is primarily a COIN, Air Recce and Air Observer aircraft that can be also used to train pilots. Different philosophies. It can carry anything that a F-18 or a Harrier can, except for radar guided weapons.

It can do ground based air intercepts thanks to the ability to carry a pair of Sidewinders or Israeli Pythons. I can carry a laser designator and guide GBUs or carry them as well. In other words it is a very powerful light attack aircraft. It lacks nothing in the avionics department with a full glass cockpit with 3 MFDs.

 

 

 

Awesome! I am officially looking forward to this aircraft :D

[Stratos]

The Super Tucano would make for some absolutely awesome COIN missions when paired with the Huey. I'd have a lot of fun for sure.

 

Agre 100%

[AstroEma]

Bring it on!

[Johnny Dioxin]

Now I'm getting even more excited!

 

This will be oodles of fun at low level.

[Zeus67]

Folks, the only reason we are talking Tucano and not Super Tucano is time and resources. We are going to develop the Harrier after the M-2000C is finalized, something that will happen in the first half of this year.

 

So our main resources will be focused on the Harrier. We do not want to divert those resources from the Harrier into the Super Tucano.

 

Still nothing has been decided yet. We will very likely make a decision this week on which one will be done the Tucano or the Super Tucano.

 

For the record, everybody here likes the Super Tucano.

[Vampyre]

Whichever Tuc you guys choose is great. This one will be fun to fly in either 312 or 314 versions.:thumbup:

[Stratos]

For the record, everybody here likes the Super Tucano.

 

And I'm sure it will be more marketable than the plain Tucano.

[zebra0312]

I wouldnt buy a trainer aircraft but a ground attacker would be awesome.

[Farlander]

I pray for AT-802 every night, but i will take this for compensation.

 

Leatherneck, please.. hear my cries!! :(

[kontiuka]

Leatherneck, please.. hear my cries!! :(

You're crying in the wrong sub-forum.

[Johnny Dioxin]

You guys are fast going to become my fave devs - the Harrier after the Mirage 2000C (which is already a great module, even unfinished) and then the Tucano.

 

I just hope you will be able to get them finished before I'm over the hill (turned 51 yesterday). Seriously - that's my biggest worry with all the stuff we are expecting in DCS World (and VR). :unsure:

[whaaw]

Folks, the only reason we are talking Tucano and not Super Tucano is time and resources. We are going to develop the Harrier after the M-2000C is finalized, something that will happen in the first half of this year.

 

So our main resources will be focused on the Harrier. We do not want to divert those resources from the Harrier into the Super Tucano.

 

Still nothing has been decided yet. We will very likely make a decision this week on which one will be done the Tucano or the Super Tucano.

 

For the record, everybody here likes the Super Tucano.

 

pls make the Harrier and the the Super tucano without rushing. If it takes 6 month longer i dont have problems with it ^^

[msalama]

Folks, the only reason we are talking Tucano and not Super Tucano is time and resources.

The Super Tuc would be awesome. But a plain vanilla 312 can carry gunpods, rockets and bombs too, can it not? Which would make it an awesome COIN / light attack aircraft, no? Bah, just ignore the whiners and make whichever you want, because I'm certain oodles of folks (me included) will buy it in a heartbeat :thumbup: Well done lads and just bring it on!

[Farlander]

You're crying in the wrong sub-forum.

 

The initial part was for RAZBAM

 

That part you quoted there is a joke.. They sent out pictures of the AT-802 some time back when the speculation was going on..

[King_Hrothgar]

I understand the time and resources thing. Ultimately it comes down to a very simple question of do you want DCS: Tucano as a little side project after the Harrier before moving onto something else or do you want DCS: Super Tucano as the next big project? For my part, I'd buy the Super Tucano but probably pass on the regular Tucano. I'm certainly not alone in that, the Super Tucano clearly has far wider appeal. But whether or not that justifies making it the next big project instead of something like the F-15E is another matter. Not an easy decision to make, good luck!:bye:

 

Edit: Yeah, the AT-802U was funny but I'd actually like to see a modern COIN plane or two. The AT-802U and Super Tucano are prime candidates, I have no preference between them at this time. Another one I'd go for is the Yak-130.

Edited February 1, 2016 by King_Hrothgar

[Gladman]

Not sure if its been asked, I couldn't find it but is the Tucano the same as a Texan 2 or Harvard 2 as we call it in Canada? It seems to be but I'm not 100% sure.

[King_Hrothgar]

No, the Texan II is an unrelated aircraft.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beechcraft_T-6_Texan_II

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Embraer_EMB_312_Tucano

[98abaile]

I'd rather wait longer for the super tucano.

[mattebubben]

Yea a Super Tucano i would probably get.

 

The base Tucano probably not.

 

Even if they went with the Air-Ground capable one.

 

Still has nowhere near the armament options of the Super Tucano.

[Kev2go]

snip

 

No need to pretend to take the role of a supposed white knight m8. and no need to twist what im trying to say.

 

No ones demanding anything its just that really developing a exclusively unarmed trainer, the developer are harming themselves more due to much less appeal for the module and thus less profit made vs making two versions ( trainer and combat) or at least a trainer version capable of carrying ordinance for light strike duties ( like the c101 or the L39), because this is a combat sim. A non combat simmer can still free flight a combat plane without ordinance. but limiting to unarmed planes isn't good way to go, because combat simmers cant do so the other way around.

 

developers makes more profit when apealing to both non combat simmers, and the vast majority of players here ... actual combat simmers. and with more profit they can hire more developers and go on to do additional projects.

 

 

 

 

also tf51 is pretty easy to operate. quick startup prodecdure.

 

A tucano will have more modern systems and in most more cases modern systems take more time to learn than ww2 tech which are just simple stick n rudder planes.

Edited February 2, 2016 by Kev2go