f 15 perfectly manuverable

[Darkbrotherhood7]

 

F15sa

 

Not only the F-15SA, I heard that the F-15E also can carry 12 missiles.(not sure)

Edited May 6, 2016 by Darkbrotherhood7

[Nerd1000]

The F-15 isn't just maneuverable, but its agile - You cannot say the same thing about Su-27 or MiG-29.

So you're saying that the flanker might have reach, but the f-15 has flexibility?

[Stuge]

So you're saying that the flanker might have reach, but the f-15 has flexibility?

 

I think it's the other way around. I also asked Garrus he agrees.

[WinterH]

I don't know how we got to Mass Effect from F-15, but I approve it! :D

[Martillo1]

Not only the F-15SA, I heard that the F-15E also can carry 12 missiles.(not sure)

 

From the old times playing Jane's F-15E? I kind of remember such mounting, but I am unsure about it.

[Boberro]

The F-15 isn't just maneuverable, but its agile - You cannot say the same thing about Su-27 or MiG-29.

 

But F-15 is just.... ugly. So straight, like done by using axe.

Su-27 and MiG-29 may be poor but they are pretty.

Hard to choice, like in real life. Either beautiful woman or smart woman ;)

[Deathbane]

both are great planes, rest comes down to patriotic who has biggest genital contest, personal preference or specs neckbearding..

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

both are great planes, rest comes down to patriotic who has biggest genital contest, personal preference or specs neckbearding..

 

I mean, would we be playing sims if we weren't spec neckbearding? :pilotfly:

[Kuky]

But F-15 is just.... ugly. So straight, like done by using axe.

Su-27 and MiG-29 may be poor but they are pretty.

Hard to choice, like in real life. Either beautiful woman or smart woman ;)

 

You can make a beautiful woman smarter, but not so much smart woman prettier :D (not beside what makeup can do anyway, well plastic surgery also, but then the aerodynamic shape is changed completely which is no longer the same woman :music_whistling: )

 

:D

[Sweep]

And you guys think this isn't pretty?

 

[Stuge]

Sweep i think you just proved that fat can be beautiful..

[Darkbrotherhood7]

And you guys think this isn't pretty?

 

The F-15 is beautiful:

[SinusoidDelta]

The Mig-25 looks like it was sculpted with an axe. The F-15 is very refined despite being designed maybe 20 years earlier than the Su-27? The Eagles negative camber at the wing tips, the sawtooth cutouts on the horizontal stabilizers, the inlet ramps, the vertical stabs have the surface area of an entire F-16. The Su-27 does have fancy lift augmentation devices, slats, flaperons, fixed inlets that look suspiciously similar to the F-14....Both the flanker and eagle are capable of things the other is not capable of and their shapes reflect that.

 

I mean, formula 1 cars are quite hideous. Especially the latest season.... But they are designed for one purpose much like a fighter jet.

[PiedDroit]

You can make a beautiful woman smarter, but not so much smart woman prettier :D (not beside what makeup can do anyway, well plastic surgery also, but then the aerodynamic shape is changed completely which is no longer the same woman :music_whistling: )

 

:D

Errrrm no that's the other way around IMO. Sport and such, they do great. But dumb stay dumb usually.

[P.S.: I agree that stands true for aircraft. Better make it beautiful then add some brains in it on retrofit :D]

 

Anyway, those photos are great :thumbup:

Edited May 7, 2016 by PiedDroit

[Hummingbird]

I have to agree with the OP, the Eagle's FM is great.

 

Now, all of you who hate this thing's awesome performance...Wait until the Hornet and Typhoon come out. One will run rings around you for ~270 degrees, the other will go uphill and laugh at you.

 

If you want an Eagle that's a bit more brick-ish...Look for a combat loaded F-15E - Edit: Or a three bag C, though I think we went through that already...LOL!

 

The EF will put to shame most fighters in any old school turn fight I think. It's been stated that its STR is the highest of any fighter currently in service anywhere.

 

As for the F-15, they could really improve it a lot by incorperating some high lift devices to the wing design. Not only would this significantly enhance maneuverability, it would also lower landing speeds and shorten take off runs, allowing more ordinance to be carried.

Edited May 8, 2016 by Hummingbird

[DarkFire]

The EF will put to shame most fighters in any old school turn fight I think. It's been stated that its STR is the highest of any fighter currently in service anywhere.

 

As for the F-15, they could really improve it a lot by incorperating some high lift devices to the wing design. Not only would this significantly enhance maneuverability, it would also lower landing speeds and shorten take off runs, allowing more ordinance to be carried.

 

I've read that somewhere. Apparently the EF-2000 is supposed to be able to accelerate in a 9-G turn.

 

As for the F-15, wasn't there some sort of proposal a few years ago to give it a new wing & other goodies?

[Darkbrotherhood7]

The EF will put to shame most fighters in any old school turn fight I think. It's been stated that its STR is the highest of any fighter currently in service anywhere.

 

As for the F-15, they could really improve it a lot by incorperating some high lift devices to the wing design. Not only would this significantly enhance maneuverability, it would also lower landing speeds and shorten take off runs, allowing more ordinance to be carried.

I love the EF Typhoon, certainly it's a Super-Fighter, and I believe that EF Typhoon will be the best Dogfighter in DCS(my guess), but I would prefer the Dassault Rafale :D :D

 

9.5 tons of payload capability:

 

It's beautiful:

Edited May 8, 2016 by Darkbrotherhood7

[SinusoidDelta]

The EF will put to shame most fighters in any old school turn fight I think. It's been stated that its STR is the highest of any fighter currently in service anywhere.

 

As for the F-15, they could really improve it a lot by incorperating some high lift devices to the wing design. Not only would this significantly enhance maneuverability, it would also lower landing speeds and shorten take off runs, allowing more ordinance to be carried.

 

Allegedly the great John Boyd wanted the F-15 to have slats for high G maneuvering during development. He also wanted to limit the F-15 limited ~5.5G as that was the most efficient point he determined through his EM wizardry.. Obviously neither of those considerations were honored. McAir believed slats added too much complexity (and weight I'd imagine) whereas the conical taper wing added a small amount of drag but takeoff distances were acceptable and this design allowed the F-15 to be extremely maneuverable in the transonic region. The same can't be said about the flanker. The F-14 was also being developed so their wasn't much benefit in developing a carrier capable F-15.

[Hummingbird]

Allegedly the great John Boyd wanted the F-15 to have slats for high G maneuvering during development. He also wanted to limit the F-15 limited ~5.5G as that was the most efficient point he determined through his EM wizardry.. Obviously neither of those considerations were honored. McAir believed slats added too much complexity (and weight I'd imagine) whereas the conical taper wing added a small amount of drag but takeoff distances were acceptable and this design allowed the F-15 to be extremely maneuverable in the transonic region. The same can't be said about the flanker. The F-14 was also being developed so their wasn't much benefit in developing a carrier capable F-15.

 

Yeah that's about the same as I heard, the main reason being that they wanted to keep things as simple as possible.

 

If I were in charge at this point however I would consider adding either LE slats or LE flaps to the new Silent Eagle project, esp. since more of the wing is going to be blocked by the conformal fuel tanks & weapon bays.

[DarkFire]

Yeah that's about the same as I heard, the main reason being that they wanted to keep things as simple as possible.

 

If I were in charge at this point however I would consider adding either LE slats or LE flaps to the new Silent Eagle project, esp. since more of the wing is going to be blocked by the conformal fuel tanks & weapon bays.

 

Have any countries signed up for the Silent Eagle program? Shame if not. I would imagine that for 10% of the cost of developing the F-35 the Eagle could easily be improved to a level where it would be absolutely able to take on everything currently flying and anything that will be flying in the next 5 years.

[SinusoidDelta]

No ones signed up for the silent eagle AFAIK. Boeing needs something to keep the F-15 assembly line running after the F-15SA. I think the cheaper solution would be build a few more F-15SA's for the US arsenal. Boeing already did the legwork in developing a completely new FBW system and the new GE engines put out way more thrust than the older PW's. 16 Slammers is pretty sweet too. Spray some RAM on it and its a more affordable supplement to our air superiority concerns. Just my 2 cents.

[DarkFire]

No ones signed up for the silent eagle AFAIK. Boeing needs something to keep the F-15 assembly line running after the F-15SA. I think the cheaper solution would be build a few more F-15SA's for the US arsenal. Boeing already did the legwork in developing a completely new FBW system and the new GE engines put out way more thrust than the older PW's. 16 Slammers is pretty sweet too. Spray some RAM on it and its a more affordable supplement to our air superiority concerns. Just my 2 cents.

 

Agree, plus I think that upgraded F-15s would make a lot of sense for allied air forces. The RAF for example would probably make good use of some upgraded F-15E's when the current fleet of GR4's reach the end of their airframe fatigue lives, particularly as the current government seems unwilling to pay for the Typhoon to receive the full A2G capability that it was designed to have.

[GGTharos]

As for the F-15, they could really improve it a lot by incorperating some high lift devices to the wing design. Not only would this significantly enhance maneuverability, it would also lower landing speeds and shorten take off runs, allowing more ordinance to be carried.

 

They improved maneuverability with JHMCS/AIM-9X (rather you can think of it as a de-buff to the other guy's maneuverability, whatever floats your boat ;) ). TO/Landing runs have not been a problem.

[SinusoidDelta]

Exactly. Slightly OT here but a crew chief I spoke to told me about an argument between some viper pilots and eagle drivers at the bar. The viper guys were bragging how superior their turn rate was on the deck. One of the eagle drivers said something like, "and I'd be able to shoot you down 6 times in that turn before you knew I was there". Then another eagle driver chimed in "You know what's the same about Doritos and F-16s? Crunch a bunch of em up and they'll just keep making more."

 

All the metrics are a fun to compare. But IRL the objective isn't to have a fair fight, 'fly with a slide rule' in a romantic BFM turning fight. Come in fast, keep the mach up, smack them in the face and get out. Slats wouldn't really be a benefit to the Eagle's role.

[JINX_1391]

As for the F-15, they could really improve it a lot by incorperating some high lift devices to the wing design. Not only would this significantly enhance maneuverability, it would also lower landing speeds and shorten take off runs, allowing more ordinance to be carried.

 

Whoa whoa whoa friend. Improve? Improve a lot?

 

Listen buddy, the F-15 is perfectly manuverable. No need to improve, or improve a lot on perfection guy.