GTX1080 who is buying it?

[some1]

Gotta agree Sobek, we don't have DX12.

 

We don't have proper SLI/CF support either.

 

The last two my configurations were SLI (2x770 and now 2x970), but next time I'm going to buy a single card, even if it is "slower" in benchmarks than two cards in SLI at the same price.

 

SLI/CF simply doesn't work in half of the games I play and most of the simulators.

[_Dredd]

My GTX1080 just arrived.

 

Will be updating DCS this weekend, and giving it a full test.

Possibly picking up EK water block This weekend.

 

I've got access to DK2, 1440p screen.

 

If anyone wishes to provide some test tracks or has requests, I'd be more then happy to provide some benchmark test results.

I don't have all modules so if there are specifics I can only do,so much for starters.

[Abburo]

Looking forward with great interest for your results. Maybe a new thread will be good to have for this.

[Hadwell]

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[agrasyuk]

My GTX1080 just arrived.

 

Will be updating DCS this weekend, and giving it a full test.

Possibly picking up EK water block This weekend.

 

I've got access to DK2, 1440p screen.

 

If anyone wishes to provide some test tracks or has requests, I'd be more then happy to provide some benchmark test results.

I don't have all modules so if there are specifics I can only do,so much for starters.

 

Congrats on your card .

Multimotor test would be of most interest to me. Also if you could baseline it with some other card you have on hand I think it would be very useful info

[Gladman]

I've been reading a number of the reports on the 1080 with the rift and the results look amazing. Considering I'm running a 780 right now and having decent success, the 1080 results should see a very smooth, high pixel density image. Can't wait for the 1080 to get here.

 

Skatezilla, can you provide a link to the issues people are having with connection, my quick search didn't turn up anything.

[adrianstealth]

I've been reading a number of the reports on the 1080 with the rift and the results look amazing. Considering I'm running a 780 right now and having decent success, the 1080 results should see a very smooth, high pixel density image. Can't wait for the 1080 to get here.

 

Skatezilla, can you provide a link to the issues people are having with connection, my quick search didn't turn up anything.

 

 

 

Your using a rift cv1?

If so full review please -1080 rift cv1 - DCS

[Gladman]

Yes I am using a CV1. I have not received my GTX1080 yet but it is on order.

 

What I can tell you now is that with close to max settings with a GTX780 I see 45-60 FPS. When I use the SDK utility for pixel density at 2.0, It drops to 33 FPS on average.

 

In my opinion, flying with less than 2.0 pixel density is less than ideal. You have issues with reading smaller gauges and print. At 2.0, it is substancally better. Externally as well. Ground objects are hard to identify in ground clutter. At 2.0 DP it is substancally better.

 

AA combat is frickin unreal. I mean, there are no words unreal. The Trackir just doesn't have the ability to provide the emersion the rift does. I run triple monitors and its not ever close. My neck was sore the next day from turning and twisting and keeping the eye on the target. You also feel where you are compared to the ground much better and make combat much more enjoyable. I could never go back to a screen.

[Kayos]

Hopefully you can run 2.0 pixel density and settings on high with the 1080.

[Gladman]

I'm hoping I can run 3 or 4 pixel density to be honest. I'm ok with a few less fps.

[SkateZilla]

I'm hoping I can run 3 or 4 pixel density to be honest. I'm ok with a few less fps.

 

Umm 8640x4800 w/ 2 Separate 4320x4800 Viewports... Good Luck w/ that....

[Gladman]

Oh yea of little faith.

 

I've been running 5760x1080 on a single GTX780 so why not. I may be wrong but its certainly a possibility.

 

You've been constantly sceptical about the 1080 Skatezilla but I see little to no reason to belive it will be an extremely good product for DCS. Your comparissons to SLI/Crossfie items are mute, as are anything related to DX12. To be honest, I would prefer you stick to topics related to DCS.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Gladman

[cichlidfan]

You've been constantly sceptical about the 1080 Skatezilla but I see little to no reason to belive it will be an extremely good product for DCS. Your comparissons to SLI/Crossfie items are mute, as are anything related to DX12. To be honest, I would prefer you stick to topics related to DCS.

 

Skates is an AMD diehard. This is OK. There are people that thought the Edsel was a great car and Betamax was the wave of the future, too! :P

[SkateZilla]

Oh yea of little faith.

 

I've been running 5760x1080 on a single GTX780 so why not. I may be wrong but its certainly a possibility.

 

You've been constantly sceptical about the 1080 Skatezilla but I see little to no reason to belive it will be an extremely good product for DCS. Your comparissons to SLI/Crossfie items are mute, as are anything related to DX12. To be honest, I would prefer you stick to topics related to DCS.

 

 

6,220,800 px Per Frame on a Single Viewport @ 60Hz

vs

41,472,000 px Per Frame and 2 Separate Viewports @ 90Hz

 

BIG Difference.

 

Just Being Realistic. No Current or Even Next Gen GPU from nVidia or AMD is going to push that, especially when the DirectX 11 API Driver Layer that Gets Choked by the Sheer Amount of draw Calls it has to process.

It Doesnt Matter if you have a 4Cyl Engine or a V12, if your Fuel Injector Gets Clogged it's Going to Stall.

 

And Most of nVidia's "it beats the TitanX Numbers..." are in DX12 BenchMarks.)

 

 

I can vouch for 5760x1080 (6.220,800 px), As I did it on a 7950, a 7970 Lightning, and 2 7970 Lighntings + 2 Extra Screens for Gauges etc. (5 Screens Total) efficiently at 60-70 FPS w/ Pretty Aggressive Overclocks and GFX Settings.

 

then At 1440P Over Sampled (11,059,200 Px) w/ 3x 7970 Lightnings in XFire, that's 11 TFLOPs of Power BTW, About the Same as a 1080, Even When I had XFire Scaling working Efficiently w/ 80%/80%/80% GPU Utilization, at 11 Million px Per Frame The max and avg FPS was no Where near 90 FPS.

Edited June 3, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Gladman]

Hey look, relevent data.

 

Here's the thing, you or I don't know what it will be able to do at this point. But if I can get 33 FPS at 2.0 DP on a GTX780, I'm willing to bet the 1080 will easily give me more than enough performance at 3 DP. 4 is probably too much but there is no denying the 1080 will perform extremely well.

 

A 3 cylinder car (GTX780) will still get its arse handed to it by any 8 cylinder (GTX 1080)

[SkateZilla]

Skates is an AMD diehard. This is OK. There are people that thought the Edsel was a great car and Betamax was the wave of the future, too! :P

 

Betamax had Superior Audio and Video Quality over VHS, Sony just shot themselves in the foot w/ the Licensing to use it.

[SkateZilla]

Hey look, relevent data.

 

Here's the thing, you or I don't know what it will be able to do at this point. But if I can get 33 FPS at 2.0 DP on a GTX780, I'm willing to bet the 1080 will easily give me more than enough performance at 3 DP. 4 is probably too much but there is no denying the 1080 will perform extremely well.

 

A 3 cylinder car (GTX780) will still get its arse handed to it by any 8 cylinder (GTX 1080)

 

 

a 4TFLOPs GPU vs a 10 TFLOPS GPU, you'd get around 70 FPS at 2.0,

3.0 Might Start Choking the Frame Buffer on it's own, let alone 4.

 

And I'm Pretty sure 8640x4800 is beyond what the GTX1080's VPU/Scalar can Even process.

 

Increasing past 2x Pixel Density would show minimal gains, excessive jump in VRAM and Frame Buffer along w/ drastic FPS Loss.

 

GTX1080 is Powerful Yes, but its not take a Sim that Barely manages 90-120 FPS on a 980Ti and Overcrank the Pixel Resolution 16x from 2,592,000 to 41,472,000 and expect it to continue to Push a high frame rate powerful.

Edited June 3, 2016 by SkateZilla

[cichlidfan]

Betamax had Superior Audio and Video Quality over VHS, Sony just shot themselves in the foot w/ the Licensing to use it.

 

Just messin' with you Skates. I am actually one of the those Betamax folks. Luckily, I hadn't bought too many videos back then.

[Gladman]

a 4TFLOPs GPU vs a 10 TFLOPS GPU, you'd get around 70 FPS at 2.0,

3.0 Might Start Choking the Frame Buffer on it's own, let alone 4.

 

And I'm Pretty sure 8640x4800 is beyond what the GTX1080's VPU/Scalar can Even process.

 

Increasing past 2x Pixel Density would show minimal gains, excessive jump in VRAM and Frame Buffer along w/ drastic FPS Loss.

 

GTX1080 is Powerful Yes, but its not take a Sim that Barely manages 90-120 FPS on a 980Ti and Overcrank the Pixel Resolution 16x from 2,592,000 to 41,472,000 and expect it to continue to Push a high frame rate powerful.

 

 

Pretty sure don't mean squat.

 

Time will tell.

 

And you saw in my previous post where I said I was shooting for 3 DP. 4 is probably too much right.

 

If your going to talk on a topic, try to stay rational. Don't always go for the extreme. I don't think the 1080 is the be all, end all vid card and have never stated such.

Edited June 3, 2016 by Gladman

[SkateZilla]

so 2.2x the power justifies throwing 16x the resolution at it...

 

Even at 3.0, it's still 8x the resolution @ 23,328,000 px.

 

The minions on other forums that do nothing but overclock and abuse their hardware to achieve things normal users dont even thing about even said anything above 2.0 is moot.

Edited June 3, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Gladman]

"The minions that abuse"

So, again, you don't overclock so its not the right thing to do.

You don't like Nvidia so its not the right thing to use.

 

I can see you aren't willing to converse rationally so I'll do you a favor, I'll not respond to your ongoing rants.

 

I've never said I would do anything other than try higher DP, not once did I say I knew it would work or that I for sure could achieve it. People have asked for the results I get and I will be sure to post them either way. Perhaps I'll get in contact with some of the "minions" you speak of who enjoy challanging new tech. But of course I'll never know who they are because yet again you post "facts" without links.

[SkateZilla]

I dont Overclock?

 

Please Look at my System Specs Again.

 

As for posting facts without links, Google.

 

Im just saying 1.5-2.0x in the debug tool is the optimum area (Which will put you Around 4K resolution, which is what the 1080/1070 was optimized for), anything above that is placebo and a waste of power/ resources.

 

As for DCS Performance, anyone expecing a HUGE jump in performance is placing their faith on nVidia too much, their massive jumps in performance charts are best case scenarios on DX12 and GameWorks Optimized Titles,

You Wont see that 60-80% increase in FPS over the 980's outside of Games that use Game Works API. Im sorry that's just the truth, and applies to AMD as well as nVidia.

Edited June 3, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Hadwell]

you keep saying DX12!!!! hey everyone AMD + DX12!!!! + CF, CF + DX12 will rule all!!!

 

 

STOP~~~~!!! DX12 and multi-gpu are nothing, don't exist, theoretical performance is not the same as real-world performance....

 

when DCS is DX12, and when DCS actually can run two videocards in parallel, THEN....

 

not now, not today, and not any time soon™

 

AMD has nothing close to the 1080 announced yet.

 

or go play tomb raider... it's like gosh darn mantle, and the 4 games it has...

 

 

wait till theres a couple dozen AAA games that are pure DX12, that us in the flight sim community are willing to invest as much time as we do with DCS, THEN compare. DX12 + multi-GPU...

 

till then,

 

single-GPU + DX11 = relevent.

 

multi-gpu + DX12 = not relevent yet(if ever).

 

and do you actually pay attention to the settings they use in DX11(DCS is NOT DX12) benchmarks? they turn OFF gameworks, they use the same settings as they do for AMD cards, so its as fair of a comparison as possible, the numbers you see are without it for the most part.

 

that being said, we need new higher IPC CPUs to go with our fancy new GPUs now... since DCS is still mainly cpu bottlenecked....

Edited June 3, 2016 by Hadwell

[SkateZilla]

you keep saying DX12!!!! hey everyone AMD + DX12!!!! + CF, CF + DX12 will rule all!!!

 

 

STOP~~~~!!! DX12 and multi-gpu are nothing, don't exist, theoretical performance is not the same as real-world performance....

 

when DCS is DX12, and when DCS actually can run two videocards in parallel, THEN....

 

not now, not today, and not any time soon™

 

AMD has nothing close to the 1080 announced yet.

 

or go play tomb raider... it's like gosh darn mantle, and the 4 games it has...

 

 

wait till theres a couple dozen AAA games that are pure DX12, that us in the flight sim community are willing to invest as much time as we do with DCS, THEN compare. DX12 + multi-GPU...

 

till then,

 

single-GPU + DX11 = relevent.

 

multi-gpu + DX12 = not relevent yet(if ever).

 

and do you actually pay attention to the settings they use in DX11(DCS is NOT DX12) benchmarks? they turn OFF gameworks, they use the same settings as they do for AMD cards, so its as fair of a comparison as possible, the numbers you see are without it for the most part.

 

that being said, we need new higher IPC CPUs to go with our fancy new GPUs now... since DCS is still mainly cpu bottlenecked....

 

 

A. You Attitude isnt warranted.

 

B. Mantle, is what forced Microsoft to make DX12 a Low Level API, That was it's Only Job, to Demonstrate the Ability of Low Level GPU Programming.

 

C. Vulkan is Based of Mantle, In Fact, Mantle 1.0 was discontinued, and AMD Works with Khronos, and Vulkan uses much of Mantle's Source Coding.

 

D. I was never saying anything about AMD Being Better than a 1080, I Was Saying Dont Expect a 1080 to be a Miracle pill that will give you stupid High FPS in DCS w/ Everything on Ultra, or when Running with Pixel Density in VR Turned Up.

(Yes I used my 3x 7970 Lightnings as a Performance Example, Simply because all 3 in XFire Put out about the Same TFLOP Numbers, and I Have a Working XFire Setup in DCS (Non VR) and Have since it went DX11 (Search for My Posts w/ Setting if you dont believe me)

 

E. I Have Gotten DX11 Crossfire to work on my Rig, so It's Not 100% Irrelevant to exclude CF/SLi (Unless speaking about VR).

 

F. I Stated that Expecting the Large Performance increase depicted by nVidia for VR was a GameWorks API Specific Benchmark, Showcasing VR Works, You will NOT see that in DCS.

 

G. I'm Involved w/ Projects for Both AMD and nVidia, I test Multple Game Engines Other than DCS I think I know what I'm Talking about.

 

H. As I stated before, My posts were direct towards users expecting a DRASTIC performance increase from Maxwell to Pascal, in reality, that Jump will NOT be as drastic as their Tech Demo's portray, They Cherry Pick Benchmarks that make the Product look the best, it's common sense marketing, not every title will get that magic 70%+ FPS increase. Especially Games BOUND by the DX11 Software Layer, which includes DCS.

 

I. DCS Isn't "CPU Bottle Necked", it's API Bottlenecked by the DX API Layer, which has a Limit to how many commands it can process, regardless of CPU Type/Speed, it's an API Limit, Not a CPU hardware limit, as the Number Of Max Draw Commands Has Jumped Significantly from DX9c -> DX10 -> DX11. You Can Have a 4 Core 9GHz Overclocked Skylake CPU and as soon as the DX11 Draw Commands Pile Up, the Software Layer will bog down commands to the GPU. It's CPU Overhead, Not CPU Bottle Neck.

 

J. This Started because I tried to convey the reality of the situation, going from GM10x to a GP10x is not going to enable you to run DCS at a stupendous level, (8K+ Resolutions), The "VR" Performance Jumps were taken from Benchmarks of Engines Running the VR Works Part of the Game Works API, Which is not used by ED. so throw those Numbers away and expect something a little more realistic.

 

K. Expect a 45-60% Increase In Core Clocks, and Memory Clocks, an Increase in memory Bandwidth, And a DRASTIC Reduction in TDP (From 250w-300w+, 8Pin + 8/6 Pin) for a Overclocked 980ti at 1100MHz Base/1200MHz Boost)) to about 160w Single 8 Pin for a GTX1080, the Overall Performance will be Somewhere in the Ballpark of 25-40% Increase over 980Ti Dependent On Game Engine etc.

 

L. The Max Frame Size Supported for the GTX1080 is 7680x4320 @ 60 HZ, if you want to output 90Hz, that Resolution Goes down due to Frame Buffer Bandwidth.

 

M. I've Seen Performance Numbers for DX11 on Polaris 10, it will come no where near a 1080, It's a $200 Design.

 

N. I Doubt AMD Supports XFire Longer than it has too, DX12 uses EMA, and Uses it VERY Well, Even when Mixing nVidia and AMD GPUs.

Edited June 4, 2016 by SkateZilla

[Hadwell]

wrong to tell people to buy expensive hardware based on things people don't yet use, benchmarks from one or two specific games , or synthetic benchmarks such as 3dmark or pass mark...

 

Just take the averages from the doZens of people's benchmarks, of many many different programs, games and different genres, and you get a good picture of what is best, and what is best for your $ spent, as they aren't the same thing.

 

Unless you're going to tell me you'll only play games that run better on amd hardware than Intel/nvidia from now on, just to prove a point.

Edited June 4, 2016 by Hadwell