-= ACG MigVsSaber Server (EU) =-

[Brigg]

thanks RED

[Alpenwolf]

The server will switch to Open Beta tomorrow!

[comie1]

The server will switch to Open Beta tomorrow!

 

Ah here she goes!

Hope for your sake Alpen the missions transfer ok :thumbup:

Edited April 25, 2018 by BIGNEWY
1.1

[IronJockel]

Server is now Running on 2.5

 

Feel free to report any trouble.

[comie1]

Server is now Running on 2.5

 

Feel free to report any trouble.

 

Top Man :thumbup:

[Volator]

A few changes in all missions:

 

- The number of HAWK SAM sites was reduced; even after the Sa-6's were fixed they're still not as they were before.

Very poor defence system compared to the HAWK.

- 1-2 additional Sa-6 sites were added to Red in some missions.

- The number of slots for the Harrier was reduced from 12,10,8 to 6 only; The version we have is a modern one. Still I gave her a chance.

I don't see MiG-21 pilots having all that trouble fighting her so she'll stay.

 

Future Plans:

 

- The MiG-19 will be added to Red.

- The Mi-24 will be added to Red.

- The F-4 will be added to Blue (might replace the Harrier completely. Might just leave 2 slots max. for the Harrier. We'll see)

- The F-4 will recieve a max of 6 MAYBE 8 slots (otherwise Red would retire if I'd give the F-4 10 or more slots).

- The F-14 will be added to Blue but ONLY if the MiG-23 will ever be made for Red.

Even if the F-14 and the MiG-23 should ever enter the server the number of slots will be limited 4-6 only.

 

So basically the MiG-21 and F-5 will always provide the bigger squadrons for their coalitions. Slots for more advanced modules will have to reamin limited to maintain some balance. The balance I'm talking about is NOT the numbers of pilots on each side. That's an old issue affecting all servers. It's rather balancing the numbers of the available airframes depending on their capabalities. For example; if I have 4 F-14's on Blue, 20 available MiG-21's on Red wont bother and vice versa regarding the MiG-23 and the F-5 although the F-14 is more capable than the MiG-23, I know. We'll have to wait and see and hope for the MiG-23 to be made in the first place.

 

Sweet! Those are reasonable changes and plans.

[carss]

A few changes in all missions:

 

- The number of HAWK SAM sites was reduced; even after the Sa-6's were fixed they're still not as they were before.

Very poor defence system compared to the HAWK.

- 1-2 additional Sa-6 sites were added to Red in some missions.

- The number of slots for the Harrier was reduced from 12,10,8 to 6 only; The version we have is a modern one. Still I gave her a chance.

I don't see MiG-21 pilots having all that trouble fighting her so she'll stay.

 

Future Plans:

 

- The MiG-19 will be added to Red.

- The Mi-24 will be added to Red.

- The F-4 will be added to Blue (might replace the Harrier completely. Might just leave 2 slots max. for the Harrier. We'll see)

- The F-4 will recieve a max of 6 MAYBE 8 slots (otherwise Red would retire if I'd give the F-4 10 or more slots).

- The F-14 will be added to Blue but ONLY if the MiG-23 will ever be made for Red.

Even if the F-14 and the MiG-23 should ever enter the server the number of slots will be limited 4-6 only.

 

So basically the MiG-21 and F-5 will always provide the bigger squadrons for their coalitions. Slots for more advanced modules will have to reamin limited to maintain some balance. The balance I'm talking about is NOT the numbers of pilots on each side. That's an old issue affecting all servers. It's rather balancing the numbers of the available airframes depending on their capabalities. For example; if I have 4 F-14's on Blue, 20 available MiG-21's on Red wont bother and vice versa regarding the MiG-23 and the F-5 although the F-14 is more capable than the MiG-23, I know. We'll have to wait and see and hope for the MiG-23 to be made in the first place.

 

Don't you think the Phantoms should replace the Viggen first? As I think people fly the Viggen only as an F-4 substitute.

[carss]

Also don't you think the F-14 would be too modern and too OPd for Cold War?

[comie1]

Don't you think the Phantoms should replace the Viggen first? As I think people fly the Viggen only as an F-4 substitute.

 

Try telling that to CAT or SwedishWafffle :megalol:

[OperatorJack]

Cold War server

1990s Harrier version?

[carss]

Cold War server

1990s Harrier version?

 

Agreed, even the Harriers are too modern for Cold war. Maybe if in the future we get an older Harrier like a GR.3 or AV8A, then that'll fit better. Plus I remember Razbam did say they want to consider making more Harriers

[comie1]

Agreed, even the Harriers are too modern for Cold war. Maybe if in the future we get an older Harrier like a GR.3 or AV8A, then that'll fit better. Plus I remember Razbam did say they want to consider making more Harriers

 

Cold war didn't end until 1991, breaking down in the late 1980's

The AV8B NA was born in the late 1980's

Could it have been flow during the cold war... yes, if it really came to it I'm sure it would have.

Unless you are making a historically accurate scenario down to the very detail, like weapons, aircraft, maps etc you are going to have to make exceptions. Just because something wasn't used doesn't mean it couldn't be used. Apply that very train of though to the rest of DCS and you have a very limited playing field. It's imaginary :pilotfly:

 

Personally I think the Harrier fits in great on the server and adds more than it takes away. Since being added.. the Blue for side have seen a massive increase in the number of Strike missions and A-G engagements. So... who cares right?

Well... with more blue players doing strike missions RED For have more targets who wont always be heads up... this is good yis?

It also lets the mission designers keep doing what they are doing, making interesting scenarios rather than another air quake server.

Red For has one advantage over Blue For in my experience.. A larger variety of jets to kill... :joystick: OR try and kill anyway.

That shouldn't be underestimated.. Personally I love not knowing what jet I'm about to dance with. If only with there were more RED For. :cry:

After all it's not like Alpen and Iron have let in a BVR Killing machine that changed the whole dynamic of the server.

[Alpenwolf]

Cold war didn't end until 1991, breaking down in the late 1980's

The AV8B NA was born in the late 1980's

Could it have been flow during the cold war... yes, if it really came to it I'm sure it would have.

Unless you are making a historically accurate scenario down to the very detail, like weapons, aircraft, maps etc you are going to have to make exceptions. Just because something wasn't used doesn't mean it couldn't be used. Apply that very train of though to the rest of DCS and you have a very limited playing field. It's imaginary :pilotfly:

 

Personally I think the Harrier fits in great on the server and adds more than it takes away. Since being added.. the Blue for side have seen a massive increase in the number of Strike missions and A-G engagements. So... who cares right?

Well... with more blue players doing strike missions RED For have more targets who wont always be heads up... this is good yis?

It also lets the mission designers keep doing what they are doing, making interesting scenarios rather than another air quake server.

Red For has one advantage over Blue For in my experience.. A larger variety of jets to kill... :joystick: OR try and kill anyway.

That shouldn't be underestimated.. Personally I love not knowing what jet I'm about to dance with. If only with there were more RED For. :cry:

After all it's not like Alpen and Iron have let in a BVR Killing machine that changed the whole dynamic of the server.

Solid reply! Saved me some typing...

 

As to the F-14... well, she had its maiden flight back in 1970 and entered service in 1973/4. Isn't that a Cold War era type of thing enough?

 

The Harrier might be too modern to fit the era, but again she's not a bigger threat to the MiG-21 than the F-5. Let the Harrier have some fun until one day hopefully a less modern version may come out.

[Shadow KT]

I don't see why not have Iranian F-14s and F-4s on Red, tho... don't know what was Iran's standing during the cold war

[Nero.ger]

can you please block skinChanging so its not lagging for everyone when someone choose a new

[carss]

can you please block skinChanging so its not lagging for everyone when someone choose a new

 

I wouldn't agree to that, as skin changing adds to the fun in the game. Sometime you want to fly in your own markings and also lagging due to skin change doesn't happen, at least not to me

[carss]

Solid reply! Saved me some typing...

 

As to the F-14... well, she had its maiden flight back in 1970 and entered service in 1973/4. Isn't that a Cold War era type of thing enough?

 

The Harrier might be too modern to fit the era, but again she's not a bigger threat to the MiG-21 than the F-5. Let the Harrier have some fun until one day hopefully a less modern version may come out.

 

Well even the F-15 entered service around 1976. so wouldn't that also be cold war by those standards?

[Alpenwolf]

Well even the F-15 entered service around 1976. so wouldn't that also be cold war by those standards?

Good point! The Su-27's first flight was also in the late seventies so why not the Flanker as well while we're at it, right?

 

The Cold War era covering a time of no less than 40 years (from 1-2 years after WWll came to an end until 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed) would surely have more to offer than just the MiG-21 and the F-5 only. In fact, if you check out other servers you'll find most of them offering almost all modules and thus more likely to be called Cold War.

With the MiG-21 foremost and the F-5 dominating both coalitions think of it as a Cold War type of an era in which these two took to the skies plus a module or two from here and there.

 

Cold War planes:

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/cold-war-aircraft.asp

[NaCH]

@Alpenwolf,

 

Is the R3R no longer available ?

 

Yesterday I joined for a quick hop and the R3R was not in stock, is this related with something happening on the mission?

Like bombing a Fabric?

Edited February 2, 2018 by NaCH

[Reflected]

I'd be happier to look at it as a pre-1970 scenario. Go post 1970 and you go BVR, then end up being the same as the 104th server. Which is a "cold war" server too, isn't it?

 

My 2 cents:

 

MIG15, MIG21, MIG19 (when it comes), Mi-8

vs

Sabre, Tiger, Corsair (when it comes), Phantom (when it comes), Huey

 

The SU-25 is 1970s, but that may fit in for the sake of balance.

[carss]

Good point! The Su-27's first flight was also in the late seventies so why not the Flanker as well while we're at it, right?

 

The Cold War era covering a time of no less than 40 years (from 1-2 years after WWll came to an end until 1991 when the Soviet Union collapsed) would surely have more to offer than just the MiG-21 and the F-5 only. In fact, if you check out other servers you'll find most of them offering almost all modules and thus more likely to be called Cold War.

With the MiG-21 foremost and the F-5 dominating both coalitions think of it as a Cold War type of an era in which these two took to the skies plus a module or two from here and there.

 

Cold War planes:

https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/cold-war-aircraft.asp

 

Exactly, that era or time frame would be more reserved for planes that are 3rd generation. Planes like the F-14, F-15 and Su-27 as we know are too OP for a Cold war type of scenario, mostly because of their awesome tech and excellent flight dynamics. It takes away from the cold war authenticity.

 

It's like adding the F-80 and/or F-86 to a WW2 server because they were so close in timeframe. Ok maybe the Sabre was a bit too far and came much later but the shooting star (even though we don't have it). But you get my point.

[carss]

 

The SU-25 is 1970s, but that may fit in for the sake of balance.

 

The Su-25 didn't come till well into the 81. I also think even the A-10s are too advanced for cold war by their standards. A-10A maybe ok to fit but A-10C?

[Alpenwolf]

@Alpenwolf,

 

Is the R3R no longer available ?

 

Yesterday I joined for a quick hop and the R3R was not in stock, is this related with something happening on the mission?

Like bombing a Fabric?

I've noticed that. Must be a bug. When the release version arrives we'll see if they're back or not. If not I'll resave the missions or simply reconfigure the warehouses' settings.

[Alpenwolf]

The Su-25 didn't come till well into the 81. I also think even the A-10s are too advanced for cold war by their standards. A-10A maybe ok to fit but A-10C?

Who said the A-10C is on the server?! There are 2 slots only for each the Su-25 and the A-10A in almost every mission. That's really a problem?! If the F-14's and MiG-23's get added they will get 4 slots max. and not in all missions. Think of it then as the time when these 4th gen planes started coming out while the Fishbed and the tiger were still dominating both sides if it helps. No matter how you look at it one can still justify it. Not that I have to. I'm just telling you.

[carss]

Who said the A-10C is on the server?! There are 2 slots only for each the Su-25 and the A-10A in almost every mission. That's really a problem?! If the F-14's and MiG-23's get added they will get 4 slots max. and not in all missions. Think of it then as the time when these 4th gen planes started coming out while the Fishbed and the tiger were still dominating both sides if it helps. No matter how you look at it one can still justify it. Not that I have to. I'm just telling you.

 

Well I haven't flown on the server for a couple of months as I've been busy but I do recall seeing a couple of A-10C slots on the ACG server. I also recall seeing Su-25T slots there. But it's ok, maybe they were taken out later