Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[Hedhunta]

Not a KA-50 but this is my arguement for being able to load infantry troops on the KA-50 :megalol:

 

 

Might be even if bluefor had Apache, then we could solo(well duo I guess since it needs a copilot) bases/farps like the Ka-50 can

[microvax]

Not a KA-50 but this is my arguement for being able to load infantry troops on the KA-50 :megalol:

 

 

ahaha thats great ! :D

[BSS_Sniper]

I never said that, I said how is impossible beat Mirage specially when the mirage is without energy but still able to turn into and also how your missiles NEVER missed.

 

I was on a mig21 but I saw the same with other pilots in SU27s EVEN flying in teams again you alone.. you still come surviving smoking back to base.

 

THE STT bug give you an 100 awareness were the contact is even when you loose sight , something that is 75 or maybe 90% of the dogfight combat in DCS, keep track of the enemy.

 

 

I don't pretend to "win" a dogfight with a mig21, but when I see other exploiting yeah... no thanks.

 

But it does not matter you guys are right we are bitching... it shame that BF did not stayed as it was on Round 5 were actually was a team effort and these kind of discussions did not exist.

It was more a problem of stability on the server or lag...

 

+1000000000

[Sierra99]

♡♡♡♡♡♡

♡♡♡♡♡♡ May we have F15 in red team? ♡♡♡♡♡

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There are a whole bunch of people who will completely pass on Blue Flag if this happens...I like my RWR indication to mean something.

 

Sierra

[mia389]

Funny how you had no problem with the mirage when it was completely crippled(STT bug and couldn't launch IR missiles at all) but now that it can actually kill things its suddenly an issue.

 

Funny how that works huh? "If it gives you a disadvantage we don't care. If it gives you an advantage, we care. WTF ban the mirage. Take it out. Give us more SFM planes....":pilotfly:

[sharkforce]

ka-50 lives should count against helicopter lives not fighter lives, but that is not the case in this round. why is that?

[Enduro14]

1 vote here to remove Mirage until ED releases the proper fix!

[plaiskool]

There are a whole bunch of people who will completely pass on Blue Flag if this happens...I like my RWR indication to mean something.

 

Sierra

 

i know i know:)

 

No!

 

F15 is for noobs!!

 

(Flamesuit)

 

ahah nice conclusion! i will go back to my noob aircraft after this round!

i like to be tumbleweed and getting wrecked by blue team but i start to miss my f15 velocity vector too much ^^

[ViFF]

Just temporarily take away the Super 530 missiles until the update for the STT gimbal limits fix for the M2K is published.

[Pikey]

The only problem with this, and I do have a lot of sympathy with the Mirage issues, is that you/we are asking for planes to be removed mid round competition. I've got more sympathy for the Blue Flag admins that DCS can just mess up during a round as simply as that and I woudlnt want them to feel any more pain.

 

Think it's pretty obvious DCS is a fast moving target and living with this kind of stuff is what we have to do because there is no alternative. I didn't hear any moaning about the Hawk not working in round 7 despite it being broken for a vast majority of people and unflyable.

[T_A]

So i didn't see any petitions to not update the server to the latest version that killed mirage and added F-5 three weeks ago...

 

ViFF the radar bug has nothing to do with 530D , i cant shoot if the lock isnt proper and the target is inside the boresight of the missile , it wont work , just shooting missile into space.

also this bug doesn't add any range to the 530D or make it maneuver different

 

In other words- people should stop crying when the mirage final remotely begins to work.

This is a 4th gen fighter with systems comparable to the FC3 fighters and without Fox 3 the playing field is much more leveled and you WILL die from mirage!

[ViFF]

ViFF the radar bug has nothing to do with 530D , i cant shoot if the lock isnt proper and the target is inside the boresight of the missile , it wont work , just shooting missile into space.

also this bug doesn't add any range to the 530D or make it maneuver different

 

I really didn't want to get into this... but since you directed your reply to me...

 

The absence of gimbal limits causing loss of lock and tracking allows you to launch within boresight and then immediately crank 180 degrees and run while still maintaining lock and guidance for the Super 530D missile. So this bug gives the Super 530D the ability of a "Super AIM-120D AMRAAM" in terms of guidance. Even better then fire & forget.

 

I won't post about this any more because I would rather not add to a possible flame war. I've been learning the Mirage these past few days. I will however continue flying the Mirage but will definitely play fair and not abuse this radar bug.

 

S!

[T_A]

True you are absolutely correct , i`m so used to leading my target when firing 530D that such cheesy moves never occurred to me.

 

lets hope no one is doing this on blue side.

[Panhead]

lets hope no one is doing this on blue side.

 

Fat chance.

[Jman]

Sad to say, but i'm sure a few people will abuse it just like anything that can be abused. I've been flying the mirage since testing round and now that it is "broken" (again) wouldn't be fair to remove it because of the mistake done by ED. Poor little mirage is such a big problem with only 4 missiles :joystick:

 

Regarding the "super missles", I have not noticed any improvement in the missiles and still missing targets pulling high G turns... As far as how effective they are, when you're launching at 3-6 miles your bound have better missile performance.

 

All I know is these 2 are round 8 mvps lol

 

[microvax]

Sad to say, but i'm sure a few people will abuse it just like anything that can be abused. I've been flying the mirage since testing round and now that it is "broken" (again) wouldn't be fair to remove it because of the mistake done by ED. Poor little mirage is such a big problem with only 4 missiles :joystick:

 

Regarding the "super missles", I have not noticed any improvement in the missiles and still missing targets pulling high G turns... As far as how effective they are, when you're launching at 3-6 miles your bound have better missile performance.

 

All I know is these 2 are round 8 mvps lol

 

 

Synthetic aperture radar shall solve all the issues with landed helis. ))) get rekt by RB05 in the future.

 

But shoutout to reaper and le mi8 pilots you are doing a good job at keeping our CAP busy. XD

[Beeroshima]

He cracked me up when he was threatening flame in chat last night while flame flew the huey. When flame or I fly the huey, our biggest danger is ourselves, not reaper. Lol.

 

Sent while I should be working instead.

[*Rage*]

Was unable to fly these last few days but I continue to be impressed by how Red have held out and taken territory despite a numbers disadvantage at most times. Of course my only reference has been intermittently checking the Web map.

[Hedhunta]

Was unable to fly these last few days but I continue to be impressed by how Red have held out and taken territory despite a numbers disadvantage at most times. Of course my only reference has been intermittently checking the Web map.

 

I'm not really impressed. Its become clear that Red only needs 1 Ka-50 and 1 Mi-8 to take down anything. 1 Gazelle and 1 Uh-1 cannot even come close to that, meaning blue has to wait for jet-based CAS which means they require CAP to accomplish anything. I have been flying helo missions a lot with some other helo pilots and even with 2 gazelles we often struggle because the KA-50 simply has way more, and better missiles(laser-guided vs wire guided).

 

Add in the fact that the Mirage was crippled for a while, and literally all of the Red fighters that ever in the air(can't remember the last time I saw a mig21) are FC3 aircraft and I have finally figured out why Blue team has had such a hard time taking bases.

 

I also want to add that the Blue AI air defenses, the F-4 Phantoms are ****ing awful compared to the Mig-29 AI's that the Red team get.

Edited August 8, 2016 by Hedhunta

[gregzagk]

I'm not really impressed. Its become clear that Red only needs 1 Ka-50 and 1 Mi-8 to take down anything.

 

Well then they deserve victory for sure :thumbup:

 

Greg

[NaCH]

I'm not really impressed. Its become clear that Red only needs 1 Ka-50 and 1 Mi-8 to take down anything. 1 Gazelle and 1 Uh-1 cannot even come close to that, meaning blue has to wait for jet-based CAS which means they require CAP to accomplish anything. I have been flying helo missions a lot with some other helo pilots and even with 2 gazelles we often struggle because the KA-50 simply has way more, and better missiles(laser-guided vs wire guided).

 

Add in the fact that the Mirage was crippled for a while, and literally all of the Red fighters that ever in the air(can't remember the last time I saw a mig21) are FC3 aircraft and I have finally figured out why Blue team has had such a hard time taking bases.

 

I also want to add that the Blue AI air defenses, the F-4 Phantoms are ****ing awful compared to the Mig-29 AI's that the Red team get.

 

 

Yeah the A10c does not exist.

Yeah there is not at least 5 mig21 drivers that is what they fly the most when we don't fly choppers. Not to mention that the 21 is not match against a f15 or m2000... Even worst when you have 10 guys and you need them all in vehicles and you don't have GCI... so ACTUALLY we are bait for all the fighters on blue side...

 

Yup the difference is red planes and choppers are overpower and easier that is why.

 

 

Regarding the F4 and Mig29.. I don't know. I can say that the F4 when you are in heli is lethal... Because as all AI it has the All seeing eye something that a human does not have.

Edited August 8, 2016 by NaCH

[mia389]

 

The absence of gimbal limits causing loss of lock and tracking allows you to launch within boresight and then immediately crank 180 degrees and run while still maintaining lock and guidance for the Super 530D missile. So this bug gives the Super 530D the ability of a "Super AIM-120D AMRAAM" in terms of guidance. Even better then fire & forget.

 

 

This is not true at all. Just watch Manzanitas video posted a few pages back. The radar is not a constant lock when out of gimbal. His post was directed at guys like you. The second the radar flashes the missle goes stupid.

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2868139&postcount=439

Edited August 8, 2016 by mia389

[NaCH]

This is not true at all. Just watch Manzanitas vidoe posted a few pages back. The radar is not a constant lock when out of gimbal. His post was directed at guys like you. The second the radar flashes the missle goes stupid.

 

.. Again that is the LEAST of the problems... KNOWING where is your enemy and point at it is ALL in DCS.

[Enduro14]

I dont understand.... BLue you have the freaking A10c and allot of terrain out their. Terrain mask you dont need cap as desperately as you say you do. Also use the gun after taking the heater and sam threats out.

Im literally salvating at getting back in the hog but i will stick with red and the mi8 ka50. Heck i mostly cleared out a farp in a lone su25A with no cap and just utilizing the terrain. Maybe you guys and gals need to get a meet together and discuss the proper way of flying the A10c. Its not a CLOUD DANCER.

 

Keep it up Red

[Reaper6]

Sad to say, but i'm sure a few people will abuse it just like anything that can be abused. I've been flying the mirage since testing round and now that it is "broken" (again) wouldn't be fair to remove it because of the mistake done by ED. Poor little mirage is such a big problem with only 4 missiles :joystick:

 

Regarding the "super missles", I have not noticed any improvement in the missiles and still missing targets pulling high G turns... As far as how effective they are, when you're launching at 3-6 miles your bound have better missile performance.

 

All I know is these 2 are round 8 mvps lol

 

 

SOOOOOO BEAUTIFUL!!!