How far is the M2000C from being finished

[escaner]

Seeing the last update, it looks to me that this module is not as finished as I thought, and that keeps me from purchasing it.

When can we expect the Mirage 2000 to come out of beta and have all systems, FM and manual finished?

 

Thank's!

[Rlaxoxo]

There will always be stuff to work on, Aircraft has massive amounts of Systems even to this day Mig-21 is getting Updates.

 

But to answer your question I don't know what more Mirage needs I think it's pretty much Complete in Rough overall design, everything you need is there.

I can't really think of anything important to add to the list that I would say It's not finished.

There will be some details or kinks to work out but I'd say it's overall feature complete.

 

When is Aircraft Coming our of Early Access I don't know there are plenty of stuff to do like Overwing Vapor and French weapons etc modeling of Engine fans, afterburner etc ...

 

These take time ...

If you're waiting to buy Mirage when it goes out of "Early Access" you're gonna wait a long time for pretty much no reason.

[Redglyph]

Missing items are mostly the training missions and the campaign, the aircraft and manual are almost complete (except the emergencies and a few other non-essential features perhaps). It seems more finished to me than some other modules that are supposedly out of beta ;)

 

So if you want to buy it now, you'll have a great aircraft in a pretty decent state, but you'll have to read the manual and learn by yourself, which is anyway the best method, and possibly watch a few videos to help along. You shouldn't be disappointed at this point.

 

With the autumn sales, I'd say it's the right time to jump in :)

[some1]

There will always be stuff to work on, Aircraft has massive amounts of Systems even to this day Mig-21 is getting Updates.

 

Not really true. MiG-21 is not finished and still in beta, like the Mirage. Planes that are out of beta don't receive updates that often, mostly bug fixes if something gets broken since the release.

[frixon28]

Seeing the last update, it looks to me that this module is not as finished as I thought, and that keeps me from purchasing it.

When can we expect the Mirage 2000 to come out of beta and have all systems, FM and manual finished?

 

Thank's!

 

Hey,

If you want to buy the Mirage 2000 any time soon now's the time to do it! RAZBAAM is doing a great job adding more content and fixing more bugs for the aircraft, and the Campaign should be released in the coming weeks!

[Rlaxoxo]

Not really true. MiG-21 is not finished and still in beta, like the Mirage. Planes that are out of beta don't receive updates that often, mostly bug fixes if something gets broken since the release.

 

That was my point

[Rudel_chw]

Seeing the last update, it looks to me that this module is not as finished as I thought, and that keeps me from purchasing it.

 

I took advantage of the 40% discount of the current sale and purchased it .. it's been a very enjoyable aircraft, it flies very different from all the other planes which adds to its interest.

 

It cames with a few instant action missions and thats it, so I'm looking forward to having the campaign released ... in the meantime I'm training using missions that I create myself on the Mission Editor :)

 

On your case, I would purchase it while it's still on sale ... the discount compensates the wait until the module is finished.

[baltic_dragon]

I don't want to speak for Zeus, but I believe that we are quite close to having both the campaign and training missions released.

 

As you can imagine with new elements of the module finished I need to slightly update part of the stuff (now I am adding custom kneeboard pages to all the missions in the campaign, I also need to update one of the missions where player uses LGBs to take into account the INS bombing etc).

 

But all these changes will be done quickly and should be good to go very soon!

[al531246]

Whens it gonna be released on Steam is the big question for me. I'm a Steam guy so I'm stuck with the non-beta modules. The only thing stopping me from owning the Mirage is the fact it ain't on Steam.

[escaner]

Thank you for the replies, guys. I guess I will take advantage of the sale then.

 

I don't mind the missing cosmetic stuff neither did the missing campaign but seeing that it is done by Baltic Dragon, now I can't wait for it (loved Enemy Within, mate). I really hope that the training missions come soon, meanwhile will work on the checklists and configure my HOTAS. :)

[splash]

I bought it at full price so I will take advantage of the discount and get it. It's one of the best modules in my opinion.

[baltic_dragon]

Thank you for the replies, guys. I guess I will take advantage of the sale then.

 

I don't mind the missing cosmetic stuff neither did the missing campaign but seeing that it is done by Baltic Dragon, now I can't wait for it (loved Enemy Within, mate). I really hope that the training missions come soon, meanwhile will work on the checklists and configure my HOTAS. :)

 

Thanks for the kind words! I think you (and others waiting to buy the module when it is put of beta) will appreciate the fact that campaign itself is in part composed of training and will suplemegt the training missions in that regard. As you go deeper into it the storyline will evolve and push you more into combat.

 

You will take a role of US pilot on pilot exchange programme with the French Air Force.

 

And compared to Enemy Within I think it will be a hue step forward with regard to complexity, number of VOs (around 1200) and quality (of voiceovers and briefing materials). I learned a lot since piblishing TEW :)

[Skjold]

Whens it gonna be released on Steam is the big question for me. I'm a Steam guy so I'm stuck with the non-beta modules. The only thing stopping me from owning the Mirage is the fact it ain't on Steam.

 

AFAIK, ED's policy is no beta products on steam. Therefor, it is logical to assume that it will come to steam when it transitions between beta and release. :thumbup:

[Rlaxoxo]

AFAIK, ED's policy is no beta products on steam. Therefor, it is logical to assume that it will come to steam when it transitions between beta and release. :thumbup:

 

Yet This exists:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/316962/

 

And judging by this post here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2548018&postcount=4

 

if you compare it to steam list:

http://store.steampowered.com/search/?snr=1_5_9__12&term=DCS+World

 

There are a lot of "Beta" modules on steam, even Gazelle is on that list and it got released not long ago

Edited September 25, 2016 by Rlaxoxo

[Skjold]

Yet This exists:

http://store.steampowered.com/app/316962/

 

And judging by this post here:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2548018&postcount=4

 

if you compare it to steam list:

http://store.steampowered.com/search/?snr=1_5_9__12&term=DCS+World

 

There are a lot of "Beta" modules on steam, even Gazelle is on that list and it got released not long ago

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2868800&postcount=67

 

This was a new thing after the Hawk release & Gazelle was feature complete at launch and only lacking variants.

 

The error is that i said "out of beta" when the actual terminology used was "feature complete". However, those two normally go hand in hand.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Skjold

[Rlaxoxo]

 

The error is that i said "out of beta" when the actual terminology used was "feature complete". However, those two normally go hand in hand.

 

Well Aircraft can be feature complete while still being in "Early Access"

[Skjold]

Well Aircraft can be feature complete while still being in "Early Access"

 

Yes and aircraft can be missing features and deemed as a release version. (See Gunpods on Bf-109, Fw-190)

 

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The error is that i said "out of beta" when the actual terminology used was "feature complete". However, those two normally go hand in hand.

 

To get back on topic, i think it is only some backup systems, ground mapping mode for the radar and CM programming that is missing.

Edited September 25, 2016 by Skjold

[SCU]

Seeing the last update, it looks to me that this module is not as finished as I thought, and that keeps me from purchasing it.

When can we expect the Mirage 2000 to come out of beta and have all systems, FM and manual finished?

 

Thank's!

 

As the other guys replied I also think the Mirage is almost feature complete.

 

However there are still some problems that need to be fixed, some major.

 

One issue that has been reported a few times is that the artificial horizon indicator in the HUD is slightly lower than what it should be & therefore the FPM and maybe the pitch ladder too, seems like a really minor issue but read on.

 

Something else that is not reported as far as I can tell is that the waterline/gun boresight is wrong & is about ~2° higher than the real life plane, I derived this from comparing HUD tapes to in-game HUD using gun cross & heading scale as reference against pitch markings, I haven't reported this in a dedicated thread yet because of the aforementioned horizon line & pitch ladder problem, hopefully if any of the RAZBAM devs (CptSmiley, Zeus or other) read this please investigate this horizon line/pitch ladder/FPM issue & correct what might be wrong with it, only then the boresight issue should be looked into and I will share the pictures that lead me to this conclusion to help with that.

 

If I'm correct, which I'm not btw saying that I am, the implications of this can be quite severe. The AoA readings will need to be reconfigured and some changes in the HUD to accommodate the new gun cross position are what comes to mind, so some work time will need to be put into this adding to the time until we see the Mirage in a full release :(. Hopefully this is just me & this would be an easy thing to fix or better yet I've missed something & it's actually correctly implemented and needs no fix at all.

 

As gloomy as this post may sound (not intended) I will still recommend this module for you & anyone who likes fighters. It's just an awesome experience that I wouldn't miss ;).

[TomCatMucDe]

As the other guys replied I also think the Mirage is almost feature complete.

 

However there are still some problems that need to be fixed, some major.

 

One issue that has been reported a few times is that the artificial horizon indicator in the HUD is slightly lower than what it should be & therefore the FPM and maybe the pitch ladder too, seems like a really minor issue but read on.

 

Something else that is not reported as far as I can tell is that the waterline/gun boresight is wrong & is about ~2° higher than the real life plane, I derived this from comparing HUD tapes to in-game HUD using gun cross & heading scale as reference against pitch markings, I haven't reported this in a dedicated thread yet because of the aforementioned horizon line & pitch ladder problem, hopefully if any of the RAZBAM devs (CptSmiley, Zeus or other) read this please investigate this horizon line/pitch ladder/FPM issue & correct what might be wrong with it, only then the boresight issue should be looked into and I will share the pictures that lead me to this conclusion to help with that.

 

If I'm correct, which I'm not btw saying that I am, the implications of this can be quite severe. The AoA readings will need to be reconfigured and some changes in the HUD to accommodate the new gun cross position are what comes to mind, so some work time will need to be put into this adding to the time until we see the Mirage in a full release :(. Hopefully this is just me & this would be an easy thing to fix or better yet I've missed something & it's actually correctly implemented and needs no fix at all.

 

As gloomy as this post may sound (not intended) I will still recommend this module for you & anyone who likes fighters. It's just an awesome experience that I wouldn't miss ;).

 

How can these 2 things be critical bugs?? strange thinking

[TomCatMucDe]

Thank you for the replies, guys. I guess I will take advantage of the sale then.

 

I don't mind the missing cosmetic stuff neither did the missing campaign but seeing that it is done by Baltic Dragon, now I can't wait for it (loved Enemy Within, mate). I really hope that the training missions come soon, meanwhile will work on the checklists and configure my HOTAS. :)

 

let us know what you think about it :) I have no doubt that you will love it!

[SCU]

How can these 2 things be critical bugs?? strange thinking

 

This doesn't necessarily mean major for us, but would require some hard work on devs' part. The boresight incorrectness if fixed only by itself will result in a myriad of bugs, since a lot depends on that little cross, including incorrect AoA readings & therefore incorrect APP mode AoA guides, incorrect gun snake position but that should be easy to reposition I think & incorrect guns boresight, and that's just what I know of there could be more stuff that would need to be reconfigured if the waterline is changed.

IIRC from the DCS manual, the gun's boresight is the same as the plane's longitudinal axis (waterline in manual).

 

Edit: that's assuming that my 'finding' is correct in the first place.

Edited September 26, 2016 by SCU

[jojo]

No, the gun isn't aligned on "waterline". It's pitched down, Like Mirage III, Mirage F1 and Super Etendard.

 

Only on Rafale it was set to 0.

[Topgun505]

Needs a set of training missions added. Needs D2M functionality.

 

Would be nice to have PRF toggle added to the keybinding list so you can use one button to cycle the modes.

[SCU]

No, the gun isn't aligned on "waterline". It's pitched down, Like Mirage III, Mirage F1 and Super Etendard.

 

Only on Rafale it was set to 0.

 

Well then in that case the PDF that comes with the module is wrong or I got this all wrong somehow.

 

In page 70 of the manual:

1. Gun Cross

Indicates the guns’ boresight. It is placed on the conjunction of the HUD centerline

and the aircraft’s waterline. The boresight has a max range of 200 meters.

[GriffonBR]

Would be nice to have PRF toggle added to the keybinding list so you can use one button to cycle the modes.

 

+1 and many others inputs. But we must be careful in asking this kind of thing here because it attracts some people that love to wrangle about "real level extreme realism OMG DON'T MAKE TOGGLES" :noexpression: