Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

[Frostie]

So when can we expect Ka50s for BLUE to compensate for this "give away"?

 

As soon as they remove 25T from Blue or add gazelle to red. :)

[Asset]

As soon as they remove 25T from Blue or add gazelle to red. :)

 

Is that the same time they remove the M2K from RED? :music_whistling:

[Leutnant_Artur]

Is that the same time they remove the M2K from RED? :music_whistling:

No , its the same time when Blue have red planes and reds have blue planes. :doh:

[Frostie]

Is that the same time they remove the M2K from RED? :music_whistling:

 

No, the Mi8 from Blue. :D

 

Is that the same time they remove the M2K from RED? :music_whistling:

 

Or, yes when they also add R-27ER or datalink to red. :thumbup:

Edited April 9, 2017 by Frostie

[CrashO]

Or, yes when they also add R-27ER or datalink to red. :thumbup:

When they remove those FC3 toy planes from both teams :D

[microvax]

Only if I get my XB70 module. :P

 

Moar speed, moar payload, moar fuel consumption, cant get any better. :D

 

[And if the Mirage finally gets its datalink god damn it.]

Edited April 9, 2017 by microvax

[Pheonix0869]

I noticed people have been dropping troops at their own farp in order to facilitate a recap, and while I believe all is fair in war, this may cause unnecessary lag (IDK). Maybe prescribing the same limitations to troop drops as AA would be advisable.<-- which ever cost less resources. There also still seems to be a bit of screenshot spamming. As you guys re-balance and tweak the mission, I might suggest having advanced aircraft more removed from the front lines, which seems to be the case already, but maybe a bit more so. I think another decent compromise for the whole Red-Blue issue, would be to add aircraft to either side asymmetrically. If you are on red maybe you have 20 Su-25T slots and 5 A-10 slots, while on Blue visa versa. Just a thought that might keep some people happy. Red having the A-10, Ka-50 and FC3 fighters than can bomb and rocket run seems a bit much, whilst the comparison between the Gazelle and Ka-50 is ridiculous at best. I don't envy you and the decisions you'll have to make BF team, but thank your very much for your time and effort!

[Frostie]

I noticed people have been dropping troops at their own farp in order to facilitate a recap, and while I believe all is fair in war, this may cause unnecessary lag (IDK). Maybe prescribing the same limitations to troop drops as AA would be advisable.<-- which ever cost less resources. There also still seems to be a bit of screenshot spamming. As you guys re-balance and tweak the mission, I might suggest having advanced aircraft more removed from the front lines, which seems to be the case already, but maybe a bit more so. I think another decent compromise for the whole Red-Blue issue, would be to add aircraft to either side asymmetrically. If you are on red maybe you have 20 Su-25T slots and 5 A-10 slots, while on Blue visa versa. Just a thought that might keep some people happy. Red having the A-10, Ka-50 and FC3 fighters than can bomb and rocket run seems a bit much, whilst the comparison between the Gazelle and Ka-50 is ridiculous at best. I don't envy you and the decisions you'll have to make BF team, but thank your very much for your time and effort!

Screenshot spamming can't say i've seen it, are you sure you're not just seeing server lag.

 

There is no Ka50, Gazelle comparison, one can just attack ground units the other can carry troops, call in bombers and shoot down anything out of the sky, these are dedicated roles for Red and Blue respectively. No other platforms exist on either side to do the same job.

 

A-10 vs Ka50 vs 25T, A-10 can clear a farp in one or two passes, Ka50 and 25T have to stay on station for several minutes.

 

Blue need 25T to do SEAD quickly with limited risk, Red need A-10 to attack farps quickly, reducing TOS risk plus it allows more player balance. I'm sure restricting 25T on Red and A-10 on Blue would be troublesome for many Blue so why not have both aircraft on both sides.

[CrashO]

Please CrashO, I dare you to play on the Red side next round and don't forget to bring your whole Reaper Squad. After that I'd listen what you say about balance. :D

* 26 hours after Reaper joined Red

 

Now can I start moaning about teambalance again? :D

[Pheonix0869]

Screenshot spamming can't say i've seen it, are you sure you're not just seeing server lag.

 

There is no Ka50, Gazelle comparison, one can just attack ground units the other can carry troops, call in bombers and shoot down anything out of the sky, these are dedicated roles for Red and Blue respectively. No other platforms exist on either side to do the same job.

 

A-10 vs Ka50 vs 25T, A-10 can clear a farp in one or two passes, Ka50 and 25T have to stay on station for several minutes.

 

Blue need 25T to do SEAD quickly with limited risk, Red need A-10 to attack farps quickly, reducing TOS risk plus it allows more player balance. I'm sure restricting 25T on Red and A-10 on Blue would be troublesome for many Blue so why not have both aircraft on both sides.

 

Yea... I just see a bunch of screenshot messages in the chat, which is why I bring it up. I've seen lagging, of course. That alone causing the lag, is certainly not what I'm saying. (I have read reports that people screenshot to avoid missiles, but I have not witnessed this myself, and assume it may be a placebo---a placebo that may hinder smooth server operations for all.) However, if some one takes 3 screenshots and every Farp has unintended AI troops and there are 52 players... etc. The lag is real, I'm just trying to point out some issues that may be effecting server side processing. I am by no means a tech-guru, but first hand observations can be useful (I think?) Either way, exploits happen (like hiding SA-6's in trees without collision), and that's ingenuity at work, but when exploits effect everyone's experience, that's selfish.

 

Unit balance is a only a small issue to me, but seems to be the only thing on everyone's mind. Once again I was simple suggesting a compromise that people may like. I guess I was incorrect. I do agree that the Gazelle should not carry troops, as this is somewhat unrealistic, and the absence of troop transport functionality would further promote team work. <-- I hesitate even to include this paragraph, as I have no intention on getting involved in the unit balance debate. I have faith in the Creator.

[PabstBleuRibbon]

Just tried to play Blue Flag...

 

32 vs 8, literally not one red on SR :rolleyes:

[CrashO]

literally not one red on SR :rolleyes:

It's why Reaper joined blue again. Wasn't that hard to win in red yesterday/today because they got a solid core group in them (the Russian RAF guys) that did a lot of the work, but the fact that no one communicates is really killing.

 

Yesterday there where 34 reds online and just 6 (all reapers or friends of reapers) on SR. And when reds uses comms, they only do so on Teamspeak leading to every one stepping over each other. Or when all strikers where hitting west, the cap circled in the east.. etc.

 

So we are back at blue.

[BSS_Sniper]

Red doesn't need the A10. As I suspected, as soon as it was added, that test round lasted roughly 2.5 days. lol The fact of the matter is that the sides are never going to be balanced with players. At certain times of the day blue outnumbers red. At other times, although more rare, red will out number blue. For a long time red hasn't needed the numbers or the A10 to push against blue. I get that some people want to fly the A10, but to them I say, fly blue. The more we add the same aircraft to both sides, the more generic this becomes. I already know that in the beginning blueflag had the same exact aircraft on both sides. I wouldn't mind, although I wouldn't prefer it, if it was something that happened sometimes. I however, was drawn to blueflag for realism as best as we can have it here and that means given the aircraft available and as much as possible, keeping the Russian and nato aircraft separated. I get the transport helis being on both sides. It's already hard to get people to fly those. The Mirage is fine too since the missiles red has to use are awful. Now I'm just blathering on. lol OH well...

[microvax]

* 26 hours after Reaper joined Red

 

Now can I start moaning about teambalance again? :D

 

Yeah with red massively outnumbering blue, you may moan once you have been on red for several weeks beeing outnumbered daily.

 

:P Get to our freakin level. :D

[CrashO]

Well, reaper switched to blue and blue is outnumbering red again. Can't blame us for everyone else following..

We switched a few hours ago, minutes after the mission reset. This is how it looks at this moment:

 

Edited April 9, 2017 by CrashO

[microvax]

I am not blaming you for anything, just pointing out that the period you were on red for very short. :)

 

[And thus do not really have a big enough sample size to speak for both sides.]

 

 

Nothing wrong about that, just pointing it out.

Edited April 9, 2017 by microvax

[doodenkoff]

Maybe there's so much discussion and back-and-forth about "balance" due to both sides having roughly equal victory goals. When I read "these helos do this, but these helos will only do this", or, "yeah, but the Russian version of ground attack suffers from 'x' deficiency", or "that helo can't carry troops", or whatever, I wonder if maybe having different types of victory conditions for each side might be a strategy. I think it's possible that could change the dynamic and play into the strengths of naturally "Red" and/or "Blue" aircraft.

[firmek]

Red doesn't need the A10. As I suspected, as soon as it was added, that test round lasted roughly 2.5 days. lol The fact of the matter is that the sides are never going to be balanced with players. At certain times of the day blue outnumbers red. At other times, although more rare, red will out number blue. For a long time red hasn't needed the numbers or the A10 to push against blue. I get that some people want to fly the A10, but to them I say, fly blue. The more we add the same aircraft to both sides, the more generic this becomes. I already know that in the beginning blueflag had the same exact aircraft on both sides. I wouldn't mind, although I wouldn't prefer it, if it was something that happened sometimes. I however, was drawn to blueflag for realism as best as we can have it here and that means given the aircraft available and as much as possible, keeping the Russian and nato aircraft separated. I get the transport helis being on both sides. It's already hard to get people to fly those. The Mirage is fine too since the missiles red has to use are awful. Now I'm just blathering on. lol OH well...

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I hope finally it'll become apparent that it's not the plane A or B on one or the other side. The more of the same planes on both sides the more the concept and realism gets watered.

It's just server population, people that decide to join one side that make the situation unbalanced. Everything else are just excuses and if one gets addressed others will be found.

I've said it many times and keep saying that nothing will change till the player numbers themselves are not put under balancing system.

[Oceandar]

* 26 hours after Reaper joined Red

 

Now can I start moaning about teambalance again? :D

 

Lol

Go ahead, but consider what Microvax said above

 

 

 

 

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[BSS_Sniper]

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I hope finally it'll become apparent that it's not the plane A or B on one or the other side. The more of the same planes on both sides the more the concept and realism gets watered.

It's just server population, people that decide to join one side that make the situation unbalanced. Everything else are just excuses and if one gets addressed others will be found.

I've said it many times and keep saying that nothing will change till the player numbers themselves are not put under balancing system.

 

 

 

That was worded much better than I did myself. Watered down is a good description. I will say that it's fun to have the A10 on red, but like you said, it waters it down. Each side has it's own capabilities that both have pros and cons. That's the fun and more realistic side of it for me. Having said that, I get that it's not that way for everyone, although I don't understand it since you can join the side that has the aircraft you prefer. I view this the same way I'd view, lets say IL2 Battle of Moscow. In there, if you have all aircraft on both sides, it's always viewed as a joke of a server. I know we're limited here in selection of aircraft so some compromises need to be made, but only with one or two aircraft, not all. In the end, as long as it's not every round, I'm flexible. No matter what you do, the sides are going to be lopsided at different times of the day.

 

 

I will say this, maybe a bit off topic; if ED doesn't figure out a way to make the full fidelity Russian counterparts, I have my doubts about DCS being headed in any positive direction. It's going to be a dead end. May as well call it NATO Strike or something. lol

[Nero.ger]

Whatever the Buddyspike team does they cant account for Number of players per side and Number of dedicated squads on either side.

 

maybe a whole change is nessesary and approach to "balanceing". as in a mission type that is inherently asymetric from the beginning.

For example: One side is the Invader and has A2G and A2A capabilities and the other side has only A2A to defend thier Homeland.

[BSS_Sniper]

Whatever the Buddyspike team does they cant account for Number of players per side and Number of dedicated squads on either side.

 

maybe a whole change is nessesary and approach to "balanceing". as in a mission type that is inherently asymetric from the beginning.

For example: One side is the Invader and has A2G and A2A capabilities and the other side has only A2A to defend thier Homeland.

 

 

 

Maybe if they had ground vehicles attacking as well. Having only air to air to defend would be a boring air quake.

[-Painter-]

Looks like the server died.

[BSS_Sniper]

Server has been down for a couple of hours. Is anyone around to get it up and running again?

[Chrinik]

People who joined BlueFlag for realism just :lol: