Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

[PeaceSells]

There will be a new reworked Standart Operatin Procedure (a document) released soon, and you will find all the info in there.

 

I'd say that's what Blue Flag currently needs the most, in order to attract/keep new players...

Edited May 15, 2018 by PeaceSells

[Cisco]

I'd say that's Blue Flag currently needs the most, in order to attract/keep new players...

 

I dont get the entire SRS shit. Just use discord or TS. Dont want to deal with another third party peice of voice software. We should all just use TS tbh.

[kobeshow]

Until recently, I was under the impression that the TS server is not used anymore, and using it as we did before is fine, but SRS is absolutely the way to go, way easier to organize your communication when in the aircraft.

 

What I didn't like about TS is that it always devolved into everyone in the same channel talking over each other and adding to the chaos more than alleviating it.

[ouPhrontis]

I dont get the entire SRS shit. Just use discord or TS. Dont want to deal with another third party peice of voice software. We should all just use TS tbh.

 

TS IS third-party voice software. I've used it before for milsim in ARMA with ACRE, but SRS - in my opinion - is a far better fit for DCS BF.

 

SRS for quite a few aircraft integrates with the in-game radios, that it mimics different frequencies also translates to an easier way of separating comms out, than trawling through some of the labyrinthine TS room structures I've come across. Also it doesn't require registration, though I understand Discord doesn't either.

[PeaceSells]

I dont get the entire SRS shit. Just use discord or TS. Dont want to deal with another third party peice of voice software. We should all just use TS tbh.

 

I'm also not a fan of increasing the number of 3rd party apps needed... But you have to admit that SRS is way cooler than TS or Discord...

[ApoNOOB]

SR is awesome! :) Servers without clear setup of the freqs etc. are boring.

 

 

Has been awhile since I was on blueflag, is it normal or a DCS thing, that after FARP capture, you can not rearm/refuel until server restart? I hate it since I like my transport choppers with low fuel & no / few weapons. edit: I even landed a repair crate there, it was on 100%, but didn't help.

 

 

edit2: Doesn't seem to be a capture issue, Kazbegi farp (the one I tested) won't rearm/refuel me after restart either. Trucks are a little far off from the FARP too, maybe that is the problem.

Edited May 15, 2018 by ApoNOOB

[Peaches]

Bring a repair crate with you to jump start the farp repair process.

 

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[Cisco]

SRS is just a mess, you never know who is talking and who are listening. Always issues with how it interfaces with the game and also constant updates. I would consider using an in game VOIP if ED would add that to the game, however, the quality of TS and the much better ease of use is just not worth it. Better to play with an exclusive group in TS or Discord than a bunch of Jon Doe with a sparking filter.

[Ciribob]

SRS is just a mess, you never know who is talking and who are listening. Always issues with how it interfaces with the game and also constant updates. I would consider using an in game VOIP if ED would add that to the game, however, the quality of TS and the much better ease of use is just not worth it. Better to play with an exclusive group in TS or Discord than a bunch of Jon Doe with a sparking filter.

 

You're annoyed that your free software gets updates?

 

Also you're annoyed that it simulates a radio? The clue is in the name - Radio :)

 

You have to use SRS like you would a radio, rather than magically knowing who's talking.

 

DCS is about simulation - SRS attempts to simulate radio Comms and has pros and cons as part of it like real radio comms. Fair enough if you don't like it - but if you're playing on BlueFlag without it, you're missing out on a lot.

 

Obviously I would say that, I made one and help make another :D

 

If you have constant integration problems, I'm happy to help. There is a discord for support. 99% of issues can be solved by just deleting the scripts directory in saved games/DCS And using the installer to fix it

 

If you don't like the radio effects on voice, it can be turned off in settings and will sound pretty much like TS.

 

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[ApoNOOB]

Kazbegi FARP trucks, maybe I can't rearm because they are not on the FARP? Not sure if that is a requirement in DCS or if they just need to be near.

[ouPhrontis]

SRS is just a mess, you never know who is talking and who are listening. Always issues with how it interfaces with the game and also constant updates. I would consider using an in game VOIP if ED would add that to the game, however, the quality of TS and the much better ease of use is just not worth it. Better to play with an exclusive group in TS or Discord than a bunch of Jon Doe with a sparking filter.

 

As Ciribob said; not knowing who is talking is no fault of SRS, that's down to the radio users to positively identify themselves, just as it is with transceivers in the real-world, nor do we know who is listening until they respond/Tx. Tools to know who's listening might be handy in TS, though personally I'd find that superfluous unless they're taking part. DCS is about simulation.

 

I'd flown on FSX multiplayer servers with TS and found that quite a great deal more of a mixed bag of being stepped on, or general undisciplined Tx. It has its uses for sure. TS has a lot of features, but I think there's a lot of cruft.

 

Any-road, not wishing to argue; just my two-pence.

Edited May 15, 2018 by ouPhrontis
corrected some Engrish

[PeaceSells]

SRS is just a mess, you never know who is talking and who are listening. ... I would consider using an in game VOIP if ED would add that to the game

 

Do you think that a VoIP implemented by ED would have identification for who's talking and who's listening? Or that it would behave like real-life radio just like SRS?

[Cisco]

If you can turn off radio effect to make it "just like voip" we should have the option for turning on some kind of who is speaking option in the overlay. When talking about gen4 and above aircraft the radio comms are digital anyway and supports this feature.

[ApoNOOB]

I have said that a few times before and even today, had the issue again. There is no way of knowing who is talking, and if someone is trolling people you can't report him. One person can ruin coms for everyone.

[PeaceSells]

An admin can't identify him and take appropriate actions?

[71st_AH Rob]

Yes, an admin can take action and not only is it almost impossible to troll with SRS, why would someone? Most of the worst trolls use TS and don't even own the game being used.

[ApoNOOB]

How do you report somebody to admin if you don't know who it is? What if admin is not online? Ingame you can identify via log & ID.

[Ciribob]

When trolling becomes an issue, we'll deal with it - we log all connections on the server and can ban by IP. It's easy enough to look for someone that's not connected before, and see if it occurs again if it's the same user.

 

Hopefully it won't as it hasn't for the last year or so. :)

 

Regarding showing who's transmitting and how many are on a channel - these will be server side controlled options eventually. As with all the other SRS things, I try to give as many options as possible to allow the server owners to configure it how they like.

 

You can also see who's connected in the live map and their frequencies that they're on.

 

BF also has preset frequencies listed in multiple places so everyone can know and should tune to the correct frequencies.

 

BF SRS options:

 

Coalition security on - can't hear opposite teams transmissions even if they're the same frequency

 

No line of sight

 

No distance limitations

 

Expansion radios - extra radios added to an aircraft to expand their capabilities

 

Tx rx blocking off - when transmitting you can still hear a transmission

 

We try to be pragmatic - it would be great to turn on all the features but for a public server this isn't feasible.

 

We do want to run closed squadron matches and have done before, with something like that we'd probably go for all the realistic options on.

 

For BF - the feature I want to implement is the currently tuned count. This will just be a number on the particular radio of how many people are on that radio frequency. If it's not liked for what ever reason, it can be toggled off by the server. If there are none it won't be shown.

 

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[Cisco]

SRS as a TS plugin would be the dream tbh.

[RedBat07]

Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 9

 

When people are willing to coopperate and work on the same goal than we have everything we could possibly want!

 

If I say “Magic, Redbat, request tasking.” GCI doesn’t need to “see” who is talking - he allready knows it!

 

..But if he could see who is talking than I don’t need to say my callsign anymore do I? Automatically its takeing us to unrealistic comms. In my opinion in wrong direction..

 

It is just up to us - users to take it to our advantage, is it to win the fight or just to have a great simulation of dramatic battle scenario.

Edited May 16, 2018 by RedBat07

[ApoNOOB]

SRS as a TS plugin would be the dream tbh.

 

 

"I don't want another 3rd party tool, but please add it to my 3rd party tools!"

[Ciribob]

SRS as a TS plugin would be the dream tbh.

 

It was previously - but there are also limitations with how TS syncs data - hence why an external tool was built.

 

I've given the reasons and arguments before but in summary - SRS is supposed to be easy to install and use. It even has auto connect (which TS does not) so you don't even have to know the server. Having it separate from TS also means you can still use TS for your squad if you like - and be in comms with the public on the server. If you're having trouble - I have a support discord, PM me, whatever - and i'll help :)

 

I can see you don't like it, and thats fine as it's not for everyone - but it's here to stay on BlueFlag in the form that it currently is.

 

It does also seem quite popular - both on BlueFlag, check the live map and other places - these are stats from the last week: https://prnt.sc/jikfns

 

(GA just logs startup & the version number with nothing else - so ignore session length etc - thats all crap)

[StandingCow]

SRS has been fantastic not only for immersion but the ability to quickly switch radios in game instead of having to alt-tab to switch a room in a 3rd party VOIP application.

 

Ciribob has done a fantastic job with it and it is quite popular, hopefully everyone uses it eventually.

[PeaceSells]

...But if he could see who is talking than I don’t need to say my callsign anymore do I? Automatically its takeing us to unrealistic comms. In my opinion in wrong direction..

 

It is just up to us - users to take it to our advantage, is it to win the fight or just to have a great simulation of dramatic battle scenario.

 

Exactly.

[DieHard]

I dont get the entire SRS shit. Just use discord or TS. Dont want to deal with another third party peice of voice software. We should all just use TS tbh.

 

I have and use SRS but I do prefer TS3.

 

I also have Discord. I don't like it and rarely use it except to read once in awhile.

 

When I play on a guy's server I have to take it as it is and cooperate to play his way or just choose another server.

 

I rarely do comms. I mostly just listen. With SRS and enough guys on together with adequate people, Red side has one GCI / AWACS guy in charge letting us know what is going on. He is in charge; we act accordingly.

Edited May 17, 2018 by DieHard