What is the possibility of a BoB scenario.

[hnbdgr]

Hi! I'm eagerly awaiting release of the normandy map, and basically I'm very impressed by how far ED have taken this project. (+ the 3d parties making planes from the same era).

 

Do you think we'll see a Battle of Britain scenario and if so, what year do you guys see it happening?

[Silver_Dragon]

VEAO has some plans to build BoB aircraft modules in the future.

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=127100

[Kev2go]

id also like to see an eastern front map. maybe even late war like 1945 Battle over Berlin, including a map composed of germany & and parts of Poland?

 

shame we dont have any russian ww2 modules yet.

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

I could see a hypothetical scenario had dday not occurred and mk9 spits and stangs met doras and k4s over the channel.

 

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[hnbdgr]

That all looks quite promising for the future :) though someone would have to come up with an early luftwaffe pack and then put them all together.

[Screamadelica]

A Battle Of Britain scenario would be awesome, but it might be several years before the plane set would be developed. It's always good to keep dreaming and hoping.

[Rangi]

I guess it depends on how well the current WWII products are selling and whether there would be good money in creating more.

[majapahit]

Buy IL-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover?

[amazingme]

well..

 

Buy IL-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover?

You should get banned for such profanation. :)

Seriously now, DCS is NOT about "luftwaffe packs", or "my plane should be equal with that plane", or "let's have a balanced plane scenario".. DCS is about accuracy in the Flight Model, flight dynamics and the system components of aircrafts which are modeled INDIVIDUALLY, using real life flight data/measurements. Also, keep in mind that they work with our little pathetic computation power found on our rigs.. And the engine does a magnificent job btw.. ask the pilots! :)

So, forget about other "wannabe" sims like cod,bos,wt and so on.. they're no match.

[QuiGon]

Hi! I'm eagerly awaiting release of the normandy map, and basically I'm very impressed by how far ED have taken this project. (+ the 3d parties making planes from the same era).

 

Do you think we'll see a Battle of Britain scenario and if so, what year do you guys see it happening?

 

What exactly do you mean by this? A map of southern England?

[Kev2go]

You should get banned for such profanation. :)

Seriously now, DCS is NOT about "luftwaffe packs", or "my plane should be equal with that plane", or "let's have a balanced plane scenario".. DCS is about accuracy in the Flight Model, flight dynamics and the system components of aircrafts which are modeled INDIVIDUALLY, using real life flight data/measurements. Also, keep in mind that they work with our little pathetic computation power found on our rigs.. And the engine does a magnificent job btw.. ask the pilots! :)

So, forget about other "wannabe" sims like cod,bos,wt and so on.. they're no match.

 

that is false. Il2 series has a pretty good reputation. Il2 isnt War thunder... there is no X plane force matched be equal with Y plane" DCS isnt the only flight game/sim that uses real flight data. COD and BOS arent "wannabe" sims anymore than ED's FC3 "packs" just because they dont have clickable cockpits. Its just that after FC ED DCS just goes the next step by having all cockpit switches functional.

 

And yes you technically have "balanced" scenarios ( for Multiplayer) in DCS. believe me in DCS not everyone is a exteme Purist with an obsession with exact dates. its all up to how mission editor sets up his Scenarios. or what aircraft he/ahe allows to face each other. or what ground defences are allowed for EG

 

Ultimately contentwise its just that they cover different parts of ww2 so you cant have a side by side comparison, and DCS ultimately is more focused on Jet aviation within cold war - modern era period, judging by what they have, and what most of thier planned additions are.

Edited October 31, 2016 by Kev2go

[Ala13_ManOWar]

that is false. Il2 series has a pretty good reputation. Il2 isnt War thunder...

No it haven't. Here a user of the old Il-2 since very first release to the last day. Sorry mate, but after all that time flying Il-2, fighting fanboys in the forums, asking Oleg to further develop Il-2 (what he never intended since start), and a pilot license, I have to say Il-2 is THE wannabe simulator and the cause of all our problems with modern simulation (that includes WT, which I don't even consider a simulator though tanks are nice, but also CloD, RoF and BoS). Old Il-2 (and so later ones) is a base made to quickly develop 3D models with not much more information than some drawings of the aircraft and the kind of info my Grandpa books in the 70's had (maximum speed, RoC, Turn rate in the best case, and not much more), all of that to achieve a "plausible" thing (plausible at least to the people who don't know the real deal), and leading of course to a game in where changes occur every patch to "balance" the thing in behalf of "playability", even during years. If they used "real info" how can they change FMs during 15 years, wasn't right the first time? Do you recognise something in that story?

 

 

No mate, it is not a matter of switches, you can model no switches at all but make a honest simulating environment (FC, old LOMAC), or you can model a wannabe game. When computers weren't powerful enough may be it wasn't so apparent as the differences weren't quite wide, but right now no other choice out of DCS has such an approach. I can blame DCS for a thousand things, it's such a big and ambitious project I'm not sure I'll live long enough to see it finished, but mate A simulator? Right now I can only call that with all the consequences to DCS and every patch in the competence only makes me more sure about that.

 

 

S!

Edited October 31, 2016 by Ala13_ManOWar

[Kev2go]

No it haven't. Here a user of the old Il-2 since very first release to the last day. Sorry mate, but after all that time flying Il-2, fighting fanboys in the forums, asking Oleg to further develop Il-2 (what he never intended since start), and a pilot license, I have to say Il-2 is THE wannabe simulator and the cause of all our problems with modern simulation (that includes WT, which I don't even consider a simulator though tanks are nice, but also CloD, RoF and BoS). Old Il-2 (and so later ones) is a base made to quickly develop 3D models with not much more information than some drawings of the aircraft and the kind of info my Grandpa books in the 70's had (maximum speed, RoC, Turn rate in the best case, and not much more), all of that to achieve a "plausible" thing (plausible at least to the people who don't know the real deal), and leading of course to a game in where changes occur every patch to "balance" the thing in behalf of "playability", even during years. If they used "real info" how can they change FMs during 15 years, wasn't right the first time? Do you recognise something in that story?

 

 

No mate, it is not a matter of switches, you can model no switches at all but make a honest simulating environment (FC, old LOMAC), or you can model a wannabe game. When computers weren't powerful enough may be it wasn't so apparent as the differences weren't quite wide, but right now no other choice out of DCS has such an approach. I can blame DCS for a thousand things, it's such a big and ambitious project I'm not sure I'll live long enough to see it finished, but mate A simulator? Right now I can only call that with all the consequences to DCS and every patch in the competence only makes me more sure about that.

 

 

S!

 

 

again to me IL2 BOS ( own it) isnt any more wannabe than ED'S Flamming Cliffs 3, different aircraft and eras, but comparable as the idea is both use historical data and research, and attempt to represent thier chractersitics virtually ( or at least to the extent the game engine allows it) , whilst not bothering to be a full fidelty cockpit switch simulator. and the now nostalgic and old school IL2 1946 is regarded as the Holy Grail of ww2 flight sims.

 

theres nothing wrong with using books as sources. FOR EG i have a book about the Patton series from Hunnicut. it a highly regarded book, and the Author has a splendid reputation. It is a very in depth book including technical aspects, it would very much valid source of information to use if you were making a tank game with a m47, m48, or m60 series . because it includes primary source data too.

 

Ideal its best is getting direct data from the manufacturer or from archives, something along the lines of blueprints, manuals etc. ( some of which E- copy can be found on the internet anyhow), but that doesnt make Books invalid sources of information.

 

 

i dont know why you think Computers from the past few years to current ones arent powerfull enough. they have been powerfull enough for some time. you dont need a NASA supercomputer to RUN DCS. Mid range hardware manages fine. even if you can't max everything out.

 

 

OK m8. when DCS expands to have 1942 aircraft like the Bf109 f4, or La5, then wel compare flight models. its kinda hard to do as DCS ww2 aircraft are entirely different and from the later part of ww2.

 

also you cant claim it took 15 years to change flight models of Il2 BOS. LOl sure since its only been out for public release since 2013.

 

Also ED and other 3rd parties adjust FM too. All games including sims have FIxes. Id be more worried if developers werent updating or improving thier game after release. Nothing is 100% perfect at release. ever. Some releases are smoother than others. but nothing is perfect or BUg free, even in non less complex non flight sims games. for something as complex as flight simming it takes time to squash out the bugs or to ensure proper flight model.

 

 

really i know some people are so badly in love in DCS and think its the best thing since Sliced bread , perhaps even believing them playing DCS makes them feel superior to anyone playing any other flight related game , but im not a cultist fanboy. I can give objectionable opinion. with reagards to WW2 content, if you want eastern front from mid war play BOS. if you want western front 1944-45 aircraft, and in addition interactive cockpits play DCS. Since there are no known plans to make a eastern front circa 1942- 43. theres no point waiting for something that isnt confirmed to happen. If you are interested both time periods and Fronts. ( like me) play both. it doesnt have to be one or the other. you dont have to take sides. some people are okay playing multiple games.

 

 

 

and No i dont know how you can consider WT tanks good.... for me thats very much a wannabee sim because whilst stats are based on research, tank interiors arent modellled. and tank sights are Fictional and the same for every vehcle? want a proper tank sim? try Steel armor blaze of war ( cold war) or Steel Fury for eastern front ww2, or Steel beasts ( modern tanking). those are proper sims. Play those and youl see that WT ground forces is very much a wannabee sim, as well as Air forces. which i consider not as good quality as BOS, and especially not DCS.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Kev2go

[Solty]

Ehhh. Is this some kind of primal urge to insert your selves into hating groups? Il2 had an amazing impact on ww2 air combat sims.

 

What u all seem to fail to grasp is that each of them is different and has different objectives. What differentiates them is time and objectives. Old il2 was great compared to others like MCS2 and Janes' Attack Squadron which were sub par. WT is a soft sim, aims at easy control and fairly accurat. performance specs. DCS and BoS are new generation of combat sims and are very much comparable. What BOS lacks in engine managment, DCS lacks in DM.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Solty

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Please mate, read again my post, I think you didn't get exactly what I meant. I was talking about old Il-2 (and its consequences in modern ones).

 

 

and No i dont know how you can consider WT tanks good....

Easy, it's a game :smilewink: and I never pretend to have a simulator there.

 

 

S!

[Solty]

Please mate, read again my post, I think you didn't get exactly what I meant. I was talking about old Il-2 (and its consequences in modern ones).

 

 

Easy, it's a game :smilewink: and I never pretend to have a simulator there.

 

 

S!

 

No, it is you that do not understand. First il2 and 46 were one of the best combat sims of their time.

 

You act as if technology doesn't matter. SPAD is just as much a great fighter, as Mirage 2000 is. Old il2 compared to its contemporary sims was ahead of its time.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Solty

[NineLine]

Guys, lets not discuss other sims, the question was about a Battle of Britain scenario in DCS, I for one would love to see it, but it would be a ways down the road I am sure...

[Zunzun]

No, it is you that do not understand. First il2 and 46 were one of the best combat sims of their time.

 

You act as if technology doesn't matter. SPAD is just as much a great fighter, as Mirage 2000 is. Old il2 compared to its contemporary sims was ahead of its time.

 

Agree 100%

When old 46 was presented there was no track ir (or just the first version was coming out), hardly any one had pedals etc.... pc computer power was a world behind to what we have now.

It is very unfair comparing different eras and technological possibilities.

[Cripple]

Guys, lets not discuss other sims, the question was about a Battle of Britain scenario in DCS, I for one would love to see it, but it would be a ways down the road I am sure...

 

Personally, I'd love one too. Or even just a cross-channel map to add a spot of added spice.

 

 

Not quite sure why there is this focus on the last year of the war, and the early not-quite-ready-for-the-war jets, when there are *years*-worth of WW2 aircraft to model prior to D-Day.

 

The war in Europe didn't start in '44. Actually, those of us from the UK learn that WW2 started in '39 - not '41, when the US and USSR finally rubbed the sleep from their eyes...

[QuiGon]

Guys, lets not discuss other sims, the question was about a Battle of Britain scenario in DCS, I for one would love to see it, but it would be a ways down the road I am sure...

 

I asked on the previous page, but got no answer, so I'm still wondering: What exactly does Bob scenario mean?

 

We soon get the Normandy map and the Spitfire. AFAIK southern England will be included in the Normandy map and together with the Spitfire and the already existing german aircraft we will have everything to create basic BoB missions.

 

Or what do you guys mean by "BoB scenario"? It's still pretty vague to me.

Edited November 1, 2016 by QuiGon

[Zunzun]

I asked on the previous page, but got no answer, so I'm still wondering: What exactly does Bob scenario mean?

 

We soon get the Normandy map and the Spitfire. AFAIK southern England will be on the Normandy map and together with the Spitfire and the already existing german aircraft we will have everything to create basic BoB missions.

 

Or what do you guys mean by "BoB scenario"?

 

I understand as the air battles of summer 1940 on the south coast of great britain. Hurricane IA, BF 109E3, Spitfire IA, BF110C7, He-111H2, Ju-87E etc....

[QuiGon]

I understand as the air battles of summer 1940 on the south coast of great britain. Hurricane IA, BF 109E3, Spitfire IA, BF110C7, He-111H2, Ju-87E etc....

 

So by BoB you mean additional aircraft?

[Zunzun]

So by BoB you mean additional aircraft?

 

I meant all the aircraft that participated in the battle in the correct scenario.

I do not think there is any other way to represent it historically.

[QuiGon]

I meant all the aircraft that participated in the battle in the correct scenario.

I do not think there is any other way to represent it historically.

 

Alright, well, in that case I would prefer they keep working on the Normandy scenario first and include all the aircraft that operated there. Because they already started working on that scenario, unlike the BoB scenario.

[Call911]

Did'nt they say that Normandy map was gonna include(across the channel) and part of England?