Trees in BS.

[volk-19]

I'm looking at the screenshots and videos and cen't get it. Did developers just added more new nice and fancy trees or they chenged all of them?

 

Any one has clear answer on thet?

[Flexman_UK]

Yes, you can see from the videos and screen-shots there's a bit more variety in the tree graphics. Makes for a richer experience at low level IMO.

[504MrWolf]

They are new high res tree "skins", the old ones were low res.

 

No hits to the FPS either !

[SuperKungFu]

Are the trees solid? So when you hit it, it will cause damage to the helo/plane?

[volk-19]

They are new high res tree "skins", the old ones were low res.

 

No hits to the FPS either !

 

So, they removed the old ones?

[Disso]

They didn't remove anything. They just replaced the skin with a higher resolution skin, If I infer correctly.

 

What is the new resolution of the tree skin compared to the old?

 

And yes, we all want to know if the trees will stay without collision meshes, or if they will damage our models!

[ARM505]

In the BShark video by Glowing AMRAAM (great!), the helo clearly flies through a tree after gunning something. Or at least through the top 1/4 or so, so perhaps that doesn't speak for the lower section of the tree. Of course, things can still change I suppose...

[Swartz (LT)]

As of right now, you can still fly through the trees. The subject has been brought up about making them solid.

[Kuky]

yeah, it would be very unrealistic if you could fly these choppers through trees (or aircraft for that matter) but then again what about weapons? Can a missile fly though a bunch of trees also? Can you hide behind a tree in same manner you can hide behind a building?

 

And what about if you chose scene file on Low or Medium, forests are gone that way so you have nothing to hide behind... or if scene file is Low there are no building either!

 

I am having many questions about this all of which, of course, I have no answer to... untill I get BlackShark CD in my hand...

[A.S]

ya again...why to render things what u can t see (or to late) and why to render things u can fly through....

 

for me personaly (visib range high and scene LOW) i dont wanna kill my game for the beauty of nothing.

[Ice]

I do believe "someone" took the trouble to explain to you how to swap the High Scenes File for the Low Scenes file. No matter what the server settings are. So then you have nothing to complain about. Nor do you need to restrict your self to servers that only have Low scenes.

[666th_birdy]

.....And yes, we all want to know if the trees will stay without collision meshes, or if they will damage our models!

 

As far as I know, collision with trees is something you can set in the MEINIT file. It is set to OFF by default since AI doesn't "see" trees.

 

The trees don't have a proper "destroyed" model though

[Disso]

It can be set? I had no idea! So if set to "ON", we will actually expload into a fireball if we fly right into a tree? I would love to see that.

 

And about the damage model. I do remember seeing you post a screenshot of a the burnt remains of the tree model. Perhaps we could use that?

[A.S]

I do believe "someone" took the trouble to explain to you how to swap the High Scenes File for the Low Scenes file. No matter what the server settings are. So then you have nothing to complain about. Nor do you need to restrict your self to servers that only have Low scenes.

 

yeah true i am not complaining(question it is !!) but it makes no sense

and yes one good friend of mine "CLOWN" explained me that.

[Witchking]

wow...ED seriously needs to consider this. Whats the fun with having trees in the game...if they don't function the way they are supposed to? I guess multiplayer shouldn't be too much of a issue..if the scenes are fixed as we have now....and basically player HAS to play at that level. Singleplayer can be fixed by making AI fly a little higher than the tree tops.

[Disso]

If the trees were solid objects, flying lowlevel would be alot more difficult, realistic, and fun. We could also actually use the trees as cover, and not feel like we were cheating.

 

I wan't the challenge of having to mantain my clearance between a swath of trees around me as I attempt to lock up a tank in my TV through the breaks in the branches.

 

Hiding in the trees for cover would introduce a whole new aspect to gameplay as well. I like the idea of hiding menacingly behind foilage, popping up, launching off a shot, and dropping back down.

[Pilotasso]

wow...ED seriously needs to consider this. Whats the fun with having trees in the game...if they don't function the way they are supposed to? I guess multiplayer shouldn't be too much of a issue..if the scenes are fixed as we have now....and basically player HAS to play at that level. Singleplayer can be fixed by making AI fly a little higher than the tree tops.

 

at this rate they should replace ground textures by generic black and white squares. Its much more perfomence friendly and you wont hit any grass or gravel anyway! ;) :D

[Groove]

the trees must function as obstacles in BS and i bet they will, otherwise a helo sim would be sensless and ED knows this.

[Pilotasso]

Hope it will also mean ED has came up with a better ground object LOD management system. Becasue any significant ammount of trees and cities will prevent much helo flying for most people anyway.

[666th_birdy]

It can be set? I had no idea! So if set to "ON", we will actually expload into a fireball if we fly right into a tree? I would love to see that.

 

And about the damage model. I do remember seeing you post a screenshot of a the burnt remains of the tree model. Perhaps we could use that?

 

Yes, you can set it. NOte that AI fly low at times (no way to change this)so they hit trees quite often and therefor become useless.

 

The screenie you mention was a burned tree that was a part of a house+tree object. The damage model was of that object and not of a tree. http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/5046/screenshot022et5.jpg

 

I don't remember what the damaged model of trees was, but I think they simply sink into the ground and maybe leave a big fireball.

Since a tree graphic can be triangular in shape and cover a surface of 12x12km, this might look rediculous

http://forum.lockon.ru/showthread.php?t=17445

[Swartz (LT)]

IMO the only problem with adding the trees as a "Damaging" Item would be, is there going to be an FPS hit. With all the stuff that has been added, i haven't seen any FPS hits. Would adding that in make hard on most computers? And how much time would that take?

[Force_Feedback]

Please don't add collision models to the trees, I already barely get 20 fps when flying over cities (usually 16-18) and I don't have AA and AF, and other pretty things turned on, heck, my game looks like Flanker with updated models. And if ED for some reason decides to give each a collision box, please give an option to turn that off.

I don't care if the trees are transdimensional, as long as I don't have to watch a slideshow I'm controlling, like FS X :| I get crap fps and 1995-like textures, yet all those stupid MFDs are all shiny and process demanding. Sim Heil was right I'm afraid, not so funny now.

[Haegar]

A button to switch it off would be OK, but there HAS to be the option of colliding with trees. I realy don`t want to see groups of helicopter flying through forests!

[Force_Feedback]

As long as I'll be able to switch it off, and everyone without the latest FX-62, Conroe quadriple core CPUs or whatever, will agree. No point in having solid trees if you get 8 fps.

[159th_Viper]

.....I already barely get 20 fps when flying over cities..... please give an option to turn that off.

I don't care if the trees are transdimensional, as long as I don't have to watch a slideshow I'm controlling...

 

Cannot agree more - running out of coffee and doughnuts just now waiting to clear cities...:cry::D