Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

[Karon]

Here's a tip: After windows calibration, which we know doesn't work for the brake lever axis, use DXTweak to mess with the calibration scale. I did that and it works great.

I tried but DXTweak crashes as soon as it selects the TWCS throttle and it always comes before the T-50. Hold on. Idea. I have unplugged the TWCS, ok now it works :D

 

The raw for Z axis is all the way to the right instead of in the middle of the scale (which I understand since it's a break axis, not a pitch/roll). The red chevron starts moving when pull until I hit ~50% of the axis hence the value in DXTweak moves between 2095 and 4095; whereas is between 0 and 4095 for the other axis. Is that a limitation of DXTweak?

 

EDIT:

as a temporary solution I have set: min 2106, mid 3100, max 4095. It works quite well.

Edited October 14, 2017 by Karon

[Sokol1_br]

I tried but DXTweak crashes as soon as it selects the TWCS throttle and it always comes before the T-50. Hold on. Idea. I have unplugged the TWCS, ok now it works :D

 

Ok, but don't need disconnect the priority controller, just click in NEXT in DXTweak2 GUI (ahead TWCS name, that is showed first because has the lower VID/PID number) for change for the next controller plugged.

 

If instead use DView - other option for calibrate this joystick, in Edit > Settings tick the joystick you want calibrate.

 

Both DXTweak2 and DView work in the same way, but (I think) DView seems only 6 axis of controllers.

[Karon]

Ok, but don't need disconnect the priority controller, just click in NEXT in DXTweak2 GUI (ahead TWCS name, that is showed first because has the lower VID/PID number) for change for the next controller plugged.

 

If instead use DView - other option for calibrate this joystick, in Edit > Settings tick the joystick you want calibrate.

 

Both DXTweak2 and DView work in the same way, but (I think) DView seems only 6 axis of controllers.

I know that but as soon as I press next and get to the TWCS, it crashed. Anyway, I just need to press a button on my USB hub to DC it so it's not a big deal.

 

I have attached two shots from DXTweaks when I don't press the Z axis (same status until I hit the 50% of the possible movement) and then fully pressed. Do you have similar results?

[Kailorn]

An easy question, could anyone tell me which color corresponds to light, and which one to medium springs?

[dburne]

An easy question, could anyone tell me which color corresponds to light, and which one to medium springs?

 

Springs:

White = Light

Blue = Medium

Red = Heavy

[Kailorn]

Thanks dburne!

[Cyph3r]

The NOOBIFIER1337 has released a number of videos on the VPC MongoosT-50 Dual Stick setup, including a review and a tear down! Check them out:

 

 

 

[Cyph3r]

► Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50CM Grip

 

Today VIRPIL Controls are pleased to introduce the next evolution of the VPC MongoosT-50 Grip, the MongoosT-50CM (Серийная модернизированная / “Standard Upgraded”) Grip.

 

 

This grip aims to more accurately replicate the look and feel of the real grip based on suggestions we’ve received from the community. Changes include:

 

• Russian Button Labels
  
• Remodelled Brake Lever
  
• Remodelled Flip Trigger
  
• Remodelled Buttons
  
• Black Hats, Main Trigger and Wrist Rest
  

The VPC MongoosT-50CM will be available for 179.95 EUR from 30th October.

 

Other changes in the VPC MongoosT-50 Grip lineup based on popular demand is that we will also begin offering a left hand VPC MongoosT-50 LH Black Edition also from 30th October.

 

Finally, there will also be a price drop on the standard VPC MongoosT-50 Grip to 139.95 EUR!

 

Stay tuned for future announcements!

 

Regards,

VPC Team

[RaJaN]

Really?? I just purchased T-50 few days ago and now it's worth 40€ less?!?! :mad:

[Cyph3r]

Really?? I just purchased T-50 few days ago and now it's worth 40€ less?!?! :mad:

 

You purchased the MT-50 Grip on it's own? The MT-50 Flightstick price is remaining the same - the 20 EUR (not 40?) price drop only effects the standard MT-50 Grip!

Edited October 19, 2017 by Cyph3r

[LeCuvier]

I suppose there is still no switch indicating whether the flip trigger is up or down? That would be a wasted opportunity!

And the index switch still has no tactile feedback when moved forward?

[Looney]

If I buy from Virpil directly, will there be any problem using a Netherlands credit card? I tried buying online from Russia before but my creditcard wasn't accepted due to it being a Netherlands one.

 

Amazon states the T-50 stick and base or not available....

[Cyph3r]

I suppose there is still no switch indicating whether the flip trigger is up or down? That would be a wasted opportunity!

And the index switch still has no tactile feedback when moved forward?

 

This is just a style change (like the Black Edition). In the future we'll be expanding the lineup with more functionality :thumbup:

 

 

If I buy from Virpil directly, will there be any problem using a Netherlands credit card? I tried buying online from Russia before but my creditcard wasn't accepted due to it being a Netherlands one.

 

Amazon states the T-50 stick and base or not available....

 

We already have a number of customers from the Netherlands with no problems! With some banks (worldwide) the first payment will fail due to the bank auto-blocking it, however a quick phone call to them and you can place a second order which will be succesful.

 

By the way, we're in Belarus not Russia! :smilewink:

 

Also, the stock in our EU (Amazon) warehouse got snatched up very quickly - we're working on getting the next shipment over, but I don't have an ETA just yet - our main webstore orders have the priority!

Edited October 20, 2017 by Cyph3r

[Rogue Trooper]

Yes they definitely need to tighten up on the QC of the finished product before it leaves their assembly plant, hopefully they will do so. It really is a very nice design, and the fact you can get an all in one package with an extension kit allowing for various lengths, and a desk mount bracket is a huge selling feature.

 

As I have talked about previously, I am on my second T-50 base, and have now logged many hours of flying in it. Whilst I don't really notice it all that much while flying just moving it around when not flying I can feel the roughness of the cams , and hear it as well. This was very disappointing after what I went through with the first base, and in fact the first one was so much smoother.

 

But I will say even with that, I am still very glad I got this setup. I have way better and smoother control than I ever had with my Warthog. I just hope my cams or whatever never work loose, taking this thing apart and working on it got me in real trouble with my first one, and while I appreciate the customizability for me I would much prefer not to get into that thing again. I just want to continue to fly and have fun.

And I will say the support has been very good so far as well.

 

Hey dburne,

 

Now that you have some experience with your new kit and especially since you used the warthog, I need to ask you some questions.

 

Did you have an extension with your Hawg and also did you have it between the legs?

 

How would you describe the centre position and the immediate area around the centre, does the mongoose base allow an easy movement from centre to any position no matter how small? No sticking.

The Cams should be perfect at purchase, but roughness of the cams I can polishif need be. Indeed, if a system is capable of transmitting poor finishing quality between differentcams then for sure the bearing and design is right but I guess thismay also vary.

 

I am only interested in the sweetness and ease of movement in and around thecentre of the base unit’s movement as these are critical choppercontrol areas when hovering and dealing with the DCS Helicopter trim modelduring all flight phases.

 

What are the new light springs and cams like?

My apologies for the post script and cap size variation, I generally seem to be having problems writing in DCS forums and have to re edit 2 or 3 times. no where else.... just here.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2017 by Rogue Trooper

[dburne]

Hey dburne,

 

Now that you have some experience with your new kit and especially since you used the warthog, I need to ask you some questions.

 

Did you have an extension with your Hawg and also did you have it between the legs?

 

How would you describe the centre position and the immediate area around the centre, does the mongoose base allow an easy movement from centre to any position no matter how small? No sticking.

The Cams should be perfect at purchase, but roughness of the cams I can polishif need be. Indeed, if a system is capable of transmitting poor finishing quality between differentcams then for sure the bearing and design is right but I guess thismay also vary.

 

I am only interested in the sweetness and ease of movement in and around thecentre of the base unit’s movement as these are critical choppercontrol areas when hovering and dealing with the DCS Helicopter trim modelduring all flight phases.

 

What are the new light springs and cams like?

My apologies for the post script and cap size variation, I generally seem to be having problems writing in DCS forums and have to re edit 2 or 3 times. no where else.... just here.

 

 

 

 

Yes I was running the Warthog with a 7.5 cm extension by Sajah mounted on a Monster Tech mount between my legs.

 

I had the soft center cams installed with this base, the movement around center is indeed very soft. I can easily move the stick around center with my pinky finger, very easy and very smooth. I did adjust the tension of the springs with the screw adjustments on top of the base ( nice feature) to get the tension around center about where I like it and equal in pitch and roll. So that can be fine tuned a little.

 

I also had the soft springs installed, and I really like the feel of them. The tension does increase as I move out toward the edges which I find nice as well.

 

Sticktion - there is absolutely 0 of that, which is probably one of the largest differences between it and the Warthog. The extension on my Warthog stick definitely helped it in that department, but once I got this stick it was so apparent the difference in having no sticktion at all - and it is quite nice.

The big difference for me was lining up my shots on an enemy craft, so much better for me - with the Warthog I would often kind of jump up and down when shooting - which of course through my ammo off the target. Much easier to keep it on target now.

 

Good to know you would be comfortable working with the cams, hopefully after getting all the reports of cam roughness they have tightened up on that and it won't be necessary.

My original gimbal had the hard center cams and medium springs installed, I like the soft center and soft springs so much better. But this also is more of a personal preference thing.

 

The only thing I have not done yet is fly the KA-50 with this stick, going to have to get in there and assign my buttons and give that a try soon as well. I am sure I am going to really be pleased with it in the KA-50.

 

Hope this helps,

Edited October 21, 2017 by dburne

[Buckeye]

Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

 

Dburne - great thoughts, one follow up question. What length extension are you using now?

 

If I go the VPC route I'm going to stick with my 15cm from Sahaj, wonder what spring set up I'd need to support that (especially with a heavy Warthog stick on top).

 

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[dburne]

Dburne - great thoughts, one follow up question. What length extension are you using now?

 

If I go the VPC route I'm going to stick with my 15cm from Sahaj, wonder what spring set up I'd need to support that (especially with a heavy Warthog stick on top).

 

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I am using the extension kit from Virpil, and have experimented with different lengths.

I settled on same as you, I am using 150mm extension for my T-50. I have the desk mount bracket set in it's lowest position. The really nice thing about the Virpil desk mount bracket and varying extension length possibilities one has many options to set it up for personal preference.

 

I am not sure how much different the Warthog grip might affect it. I would think maybe some, but not enough to make too big a difference. Keep in mind too you can tighten up on the tension of the springs with the adjustment screws on top of the base, just if you go too far you may lose some travel at the extremes. I had thought about using it myself, but have come to like the Virpil grip myself - especially having that axis on the brake ( paddle ) lever which is really nice.

Edited October 21, 2017 by dburne

[Buckeye]

Appreciate the response. Sounds like the spring tension could definitely be tighten to support whatever, if any, additional stress the Warthog grip placed on it.

 

Now we wait to gain comfort from seeing consistent reports that cams are showing up in the condition they should be

 

 

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[dburne]

Appreciate the response. Sounds like the spring tension could definitely be tighten to support whatever, if any, additional stress the Warthog grip placed on it.

 

Now we wait to gain comfort from seeing consistent reports that cams are showing up in the condition they should be

 

 

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I sure hope that is the case going forward. Whilst I am thoroughly enjoying my stick and would not want to fly without it, I was so disappointed to see it arrive with rough cams installed after all this time when the issue had been already brought up on a few occasions. My other cams look great, but I wanted the soft center and they kindly installed them for me.

 

Now granted I don't really notice it whilst flying with gentle movements, but moving the stick around when not flying it is very obvious in both feel and sound. Just a slightly annoying thing that my first gimbal did not have, it was smooth as could be. I hope it does not affect the gimbal long term.

 

Also in this gimbal I hear that "clanking" sound on both sides of the roll axis. Don't feel it just hear it, and of course only when moving it while not flying. Not sure what that is, do others have this? I don't recall my first gimbal having that but not sure.

 

I am though very happy with this stick and already have many hours logged into flying with it.

I will say, if this gimbal ( cam )had the same exact smoothness of the first one it would be pure flight stick heaven.

Edited October 21, 2017 by dburne

[Karon]

These are the cams I have received, they look good although I haven't tried to mount them because I'm ok with the default ones at the moment. What are those cams, btw? No centre and hard centre, is that correct?

 

Also in this gimbal I hear that "clanking" sound on both sides of the roll axis. Don't feel it just hear it, and of course only when moving it while not flying. Not sure what that is, do others have this? I don't recall my first gimbal having that but not sure.

Mine is quite silent, sometimes it "clanks" when I roll hard but that's it. It doesn't affect the movement or the input at all.

 

 

I had no problems with my T-50 until few hours ago when the X axis stopped working entiraly. I fire DXTweak and I saw no input at all. I remembered when I have changed the springs that one of the connector was in bad shape and I think that might be the issue:

It doens't look interrupted or different than how it was few days ago but I can't image what else went wrong.

Kinda sucks, I joined a multiplayer server for the first time in years and I really wanted to stream tonight :(

[Hoffster]

I think hard center and no center. That connector doesn't look to good...

The cams look smooth though.

 

I ordered a base only last week and hopefully it will arrive this week. Hoping for the best regarding quality, we'll see.

[Buckeye]

Introducing the VPC MongoosT-50

 

Karon - is that on a new unit for you?

 

If so, it's really getting hard to take VPC seriously as they continue to ship shoddy work out over and over and over again.

 

Sorry to see that, bud. Hope you can get it resolved quickly...really unfortunate.

 

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[Cyph3r]

Hi Karon,

 

The other cams are indeed no-center and hard-center!

 

The issue with your x-axis is most unfortunate, I'm very sorry to hear about that. As mentioned in our previous correspondence, have a quick chat with our electronics engineer and we'll be able to get to the bottom of this - it'll get sorted don't worry!

 

 

Karon - is that on a new unit for you?

 

If so, it's really getting hard to take VPC seriously as they continue to ship shoddy work out over and over and over again.

 

Sorry to see that, bud. Hope you can get it resolved quickly...really unfortunate.

 

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Remember that faults are not unique to us, on these forums the (very) few issues that do crop up will be most vocal. We've shipped out more units to date than we ever would've imagined at the start of the year - the actual % of issues we've had speaking to existing customers is absolutely minuscule.

 

Of course, as a company we really try to go the extra mile for anyone who does experience any issues and we'll never leave any of our customers in the dark!

[RaJaN]

 

Also in this gimbal I hear that "clanking" sound on both sides of the roll axis. Don't feel it just hear it, and of course only when moving it while not flying. Not sure what that is, do others have this? I don't recall my first gimbal having that but not sure.

 

On my gimbal that "clanking" sound depends on how the screws are adjusted...

[dburne]

On my gimbal that "clanking" sound depends on how the screws are adjusted...

 

Hmm I can try adjusting them a little, but really have them about right where I want them. I guess though if it is nothing to worry about I just won't bother, as like I said I of course do not hear it whilst flying.

 

Thanks,