tutorials for new GPS system, please

[wolle]

If someone made a tutorial video for using the new GPS system, that would be awesome. Please post link to the tutorials here :thumbup:

[drPhibes]

Not a tutorial as such, but here's a video about the real thing. It could be quite usefull for sim use, depending on how accurately BST have cloned the GNS430:

[Bogey Jammer]

Pilot's guide and reference of the real thing.

 

Man this stuff with all these menus and ugly interface gives headache, I think navigating with bare F-5's instruments is much easier :megalol:

 

That device is clearly made to follow navigation procedures to the letter. It's too much for 99% of us.

[gospadin]

It's too much for 99% of us.

 

Click on the small right knob. Scroll to a point on the map. Direct - Enter - Enter.

 

Follow the cult of the magenta line!

 

--gos

[cromhunt]

Hello:)

Did you ever use the GPS on FSX?

A Garmin is a Garmin after all,i mean that stuff in DCSworld would be the same:)

try these links:)

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=GPS+fsx&aq=f

 

You will find some tutorials

see you next

[lmp]

Man this stuff with all these menus and ugly interface gives headache, I think navigating with bare F-5's instruments is much easier :megalol:

 

That device is clearly made to follow navigation procedures to the letter. It's too much for 99% of us.

 

It's no ABRIS for sure, but it'll get you where you need to be without you having to worry about line of sight to a beacon or fiddling with the DISS coordinate calculator. At the same time you can have accurate range and bearing to your bullseye, create anchor points on the fly and be able to exchange position information with other pilots easily. I don't understand why you're so dismissive of the value of even a civilian satnav in a military aircraft.

[jjohnson241]

Well I fumbled around and got to the point where I could power the device on and navigate through the buttons.

Questions though:

1. What is the navdata source? That includes waypoints, airport ICAO -, VFR Beacons, etc?

2. Is the MI-8 autopilot linked at all to the GPS for LNAV at least? If so, how is the GPS "source" selected?

3. Will there be some type of tutorial documentation available?

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

So this 430 is available with which aircraft?

 

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[Vitormouraa]

So this 430 is available with which aircraft?

 

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Mi-8 and L-39 so far.

[fjacobsen]

Mi-8 and L-39 so far.

 

 

 

Where do You see the module for the L-39 ?

 

 

I bought it, but as far as I know it´s only for the Mi-8

[shonist]

Where do You see the module for the L-39 ?

 

 

I bought it, but as far as I know it´s only for the Mi-8

 

its says only for mi8. but if you go to "special" tab on settings, you can activate it on L39. check the back seat of it.

[lmp]

In Open Beta I see only the option for Mi-8. I believe the L-39 is available in stable.

[jjohnson241]

its says only for mi8. but if you go to "special" tab on settings, you can activate it on L39. check the back seat of it.

 

I have the BETA version of DCS installed and it's within the BETA that the 430 is supported. In the BETA version, the 430 is only available in the MI-8.

 

For some reason, the 430 module was also available in Module Manager for installation in the Stable release of DCS. I installed it there and in the Special options, the MI-8 and L-39 are available for the 430.

 

The release notes for Wednesday's update clearly indicate that the release was for the BETA DCS version. So the question is why the BETA does not include the L-39 430 option or why the Stable release includes the L-39 and the BETA does not?

[gospadin]

Well I fumbled around and got to the point where I could power the device on and navigate through the buttons.

Questions though:

1. What is the navdata source? That includes waypoints, airport ICAO -, VFR Beacons, etc?

 

I'm not sure of the source, but it has data for airports, navigation beacons and IFR waypoints. I don't know how they found or filtered their data choices, but if you can't find a waypoint you're expecting, please speak up.

 

As to data sources for Normandy or Caucasus, I don't know what the data source would be. FAA data is freely available covering the US.

 

2. Is the MI-8 autopilot linked at all to the GPS for LNAV at least? If so, how is the GPS "source" selected?

 

You cannot slave the Mi-8 autopilot to the GPS that I know of. You'll need to hand-fly your approaches using the NS430's CDI and stepdown altitudes based on GPS reported DME.

 

3. Will there be some type of tutorial documentation available?

 

There's a doc folder that comes with the module that has a manual. As far as tutorials, you should be able to use any GNS430 tutorial from youtube. I'm sure the community will create DCS-focused tutorials in the future too.

 

(And of course, please report bugs in the bug forum if you find issues, thanks!)

 

--gos

[gospadin]

The release notes for Wednesday's update clearly indicate that the release was for the BETA DCS version. So the question is why the BETA does not include the L-39 430 option or why the Stable release includes the L-39 and the BETA does not?

 

I believe the beta test is for the Mi-8-specific NS430, presumably to focus testing on a single platform.

 

I don't know about future L-39 enabling plans or timeline, sorry.

[Bogey Jammer]

Click on the small right knob. Scroll to a point on the map. Direct - Enter - Enter.

 

Follow the cult of the magenta line!

 

--gos

 

OK but it's only a scratch to the surface, that proves my last point :thumbup:

 

It's no ABRIS for sure, but it'll get you where you need to be without you having to worry about line of sight to a beacon or fiddling with the DISS coordinate calculator. At the same time you can have accurate range and bearing to your bullseye, create anchor points on the fly and be able to exchange position information with other pilots easily. I don't understand why you're so dismissive of the value of even a civilian satnav in a military aircraft.

 

I have not expressed anything specific about civilian stuff used in detriment of ultra high cost military grade equipment yet, although I think that any army would not like any soldier bringing his personal pimped rifle in lieu of the standard issue one…

I only talked about ergonomics and suitability with my own navigation skills.

BTW about position exchanging, you mean datalink ?

[lmp]

Oh, you'd be surprised how many older machines get upgraded this way - and not as private initiative of their crews, but as a part of serious modernization programs. For example Polish AF MiG-29s are equipped with a Trimble 2101AP set, while Army Mi-24s and Mi-17s fly with a Garmin 155XL. The MiGs were part of Baltic Air Policing and the helicopters fought in Afghanistan that way. Putting an off the shelf, civilian GPS on your 1980s machine is great bang for the buck so this happens everywhere.

 

Some air forces try even cheaper solutions ;)

 

BTW about position exchanging, you mean datalink ?

 

No, I meant over the radio. Sure, it's not as nice as being able to send your position with a few clicks, but "41° 49' 12'' N, 44° 3' 49'' E" is a lot more precise then "20ish km south of gori I think" ;).

[Ramsay]

Oh, you'd be surprised how many older machines get upgraded this way - and not as private initiative of their crews, but as a part of serious modernization programs.

 

Same for the 27th Fighter T-38 Talon Aggressor Squadron who used a portable Garmin 696 GPS to improve SA.

 

 

The T-38s used for this Adversary Air mission are the A and B models which are equipped with round dial instrumentation, a single TACAN for navigation, and UHF only radio. The Talon's limited on-board communication and navigation systems are inherent and obvious safety focus areas. Add multiple supersonic, stealth fighters into the mix and the risks can quickly multiply. Despite the limited capabilities of the Talon, the T-38 Adversary Air program maintains an impeccable safety record and provides a reliable, professional resource of Red Air for the F-22 and the U.S. Air Force.

 

The success of the T-38 Adversary Air program can be accredited to a comprehensive training program emphasizing the importance of basic airmanship skills and decision making along with pro-active leadership oversight and an effective risk management program.

 

The old adage of "Aviate, Navigate, and Communicate" maintains its value when executing the Adversary Air mission in the T-38. Anyone who has flown the "Mighty Talon" is sympathetic and experienced with the aircraft's utter lack of forgiveness. Constant attention must be paid to the Talon's parameters. The short wingspan and absence of auto-trim or autopilot, deviations off your desired altitude can happen quickly and easily, especially when focused on gaining the tally of an "enemy" aircraft. Being out of your block is definitely not the place to be when in the middle of a Large Force Exercise involving over 27 aircraft crammed into a single Military Operating Area without a RADAR or multi-functional displays providing information on where other aircraft are located. Employing a composite crosscheck is essential to maintaining altitude and block adherence to ensure deconfliction. With no Heads-Up Display (HUD) or audio warning cues, this can be rather challenging for many pilots who have benefited and become accustomed to a HUD and "Betty."

 

To assist with positional and bullseye situational awareness, an off-the-shelf Garmin 696 Global Positioning System (GPS) has been approved for use in flight to provide situational awareness, which is heavily relied upon during the Adversary Air mission. Although the Garmin 696 GPS has not been officially certified for the T-38 to accomplish Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) area navigation (RNAV) procedures; the stand alone, battery powered GPS does provide some reassurance and emergency navigational capability during a significant electrical failure. Like most off-the-shelf products, the GPS does have its limitations. The Garmin is mounted sideways into the flood light receptacle on the canopy bow. This forces the pilot to look sideways to view the Garmin making the composite crosscheck even more challenging. The potential to make multiple entry selections outside your normal crosscheck habit pattern poses a task management nightmare. "Eventually you get used to it," said Capt. Kyle "Husky" Martin, T-38 Adversary Instructor Pilot. "We typically make the new pilots fly the first couple of sorties without the Garmin so they get used to the T-38 instrumentation. Once they are proficient, the GPS is then added to their crosscheck."

Edited September 8, 2017 by Ramsay

[jjohnson241]

I'm not sure of the source, but it has data for airports, navigation beacons and IFR waypoints. I don't know how they found or filtered their data choices, but if you can't find a waypoint you're expecting, please speak up.

 

As to data sources for Normandy or Caucasus, I don't know what the data source would be. FAA data is freely available covering the US.

 

 

 

You cannot slave the Mi-8 autopilot to the GPS that I know of. You'll need to hand-fly your approaches using the NS430's CDI and stepdown altitudes based on GPS reported DME.

 

 

 

There's a doc folder that comes with the module that has a manual. As far as tutorials, you should be able to use any GNS430 tutorial from youtube. I'm sure the community will create DCS-focused tutorials in the future too.

 

(And of course, please report bugs in the bug forum if you find issues, thanks!)

 

--gos

 

Ok, found the manual.

Thanks for the response and information.

[Cibit]

Ok, found the manual.

Thanks for the response and information.

 

Where is it? I have just looked and failed :music_whistling:

[Ramsay]

There's a copy of the manual here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B4bvDsn8W_PlSVd0V3BZekFGWVU/view

 

Source: Splash One Gaming FB page

Edited September 9, 2017 by Ramsay
Add original source

[Gizzy]

C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\NS430\Doc

[javelina1]

Hello:)

Did you ever use the GPS on FSX?

A Garmin is a Garmin after all,i mean that stuff in DCSworld would be the same:)

try these links:)

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=GPS+fsx&aq=f

 

You will find some tutorials

see you next

 

I sure did. I flew the Super Connie from San Diego to Honolulu with one. ;)

[Cibit]

C:\Program Files\Eagle Dynamics\DCS World OpenBeta\Mods\aircraft\NS430\Doc

 

Thanks Chris, I missed that as I have another folder called JsAvionics which also has to do with the Garmin.

Hope to rejoin you guys by the middle of the month :)

[Gizzy]

..Hope to rejoin you guys by the middle of the month :)

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